People see what they want to see? I’ve seen content I don’t agree with on several instances but the main reason I’ve got my main on lemmy.ml over Beehaw is because it annoys me greatly that there’s so often posts I don’t see that are relevant to me or just communities that seem accessible but inactive but are actually blocked without the interface saying so. This spuriously makes it seems as if a community is dead.
To avoid ambiguity: Trump is a sentient lump of metastatic cancer and many right leaning people are limp-dick insecure ignorant assholes.
Must be exhausting to continously maintain your campaign against .ml
Why not just block and move on with your life?
whats wrong with ml?
Piefed and .world the ultimate lost Redditor starterpack.
I don’t get it. Where is loss?
Whats the issue with ml?
Every time I see an anti-.ml meme I wonder, why are people so worried about people seeing .ml content? If they’re jerks, wouldn’t you want people to stumble into .ml and find out?
My conspiracy is that people are trying to ramp up enough of a campaign to defederate from .ml, not knowing it’s history on Lemmy and how most .ml users are actually quite chill and actually genuine people once you get to know them. I mean Jesus Christ guys, .ml users arent all bots.
Certain people just like echo chambers and can’t see the value of opposing beliefs or arguments, no matter the level of sense that those may or not make.
Libs vs tankies is just an extension of imperial conflict.
Anti-leftism is an all consuming, load-bearing pillar of fascism. Since .ml is tangentially leftist aligned…
Before I found out, I would have preferred to find out naturally. After I did stumble in and find out, I wished somebody had warned me.
Oh poor thing, you’ll recover from the trama someday.
Roughly in about the timeframe you would remove the pointy tree branch from prostate that’s making you such a condescending cunt. 😢 sorry if I don’t hold my breath
.ml is just the latest designated “tankie” instance. So far it’s the third one. Once .world defederates from .ml, the same people who currently hate .ml will designate another “tankie” instance to hate.
Some of them have already started with Db0
So .world is extremely anti free speech? Is there an easy way I can block all of .world from my feed then?
This guide is wrote up for those who have a hard time banning .ml and constantly removed about being able to see our content. It could be used to ban .world if you want i guess.
Welcome to a tutorial on how to block .ml on your personal account.
In the top right corner of the top of the page, there are 3 horizontal white bars. Click it.
This will open up a drop down menu. At the bottom of that menu, you will see your username. Click it.
This will open another drop down menu with 3 options. Click “Settings”.
At the top of your screen you will see 2 tabs. Click the one that says “Blocks”.
Here you will see “Block user” “Block community” and “Block instance”. Click the down arrow below “Block instance”.
This will open up a search bar. Type “lemmy.ml” and click it after it shows up.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
But wait, we aren’t done yet in this menu. Click the down arrow under “Block user”. Now type “UltraGiGaGigantic” Make sure you select my .ml account as the other ones I no longer use. Thanks, appreciate it.
That’s it! You’ve blocked .ml and will never see content from the instance. Now you don’t need to make a feud post every day complaining about .ml and other instances you disapprove of. Think of all the time you will save!
That’s not enough for the centrists. They don’t want anyone to be allowed to be exposed to any idea to their left. Under any circumstances.
The amount of effort it seems people who like to call themselves leftists but aren’t remotely interested in any practical means of getting there are astonishing.
I don’t think they ever make good faith arguments and spend 100% of their time online complaining about the practical leftists, doing things like calling them centerists for realizing their 1 day plans for revolution aren’t actually ever coming to fruition, or pointing out that their rhetoric, has, and continues to harm people by pulling power from the practical and pragmatic to the whimsical nonexistent nonsense they call solutions to problems but are actually just dream goals.
Somehow, no matter the damage they cause, they double down on pretending the people who aren’t in dream land but have the closslest to their goals as them, are the real problem worth complaining about and not the people setting things on fire.
I have to feel like these people are Jill Stien esque psyops sent to derail leftist ideas from ever actually seeing the light of day.
When it comes to doing the right thing for the American people, the useless centrists you insist on calling “practical leftists” do nothing and call it incrementalism.
When it comes to selling weapons for genocide, they can’t do it fast enough and will fight to keep doing it no matter what it costs the American people.
The country has slid to the right for decades and “practical” do-nothing-but-genocide centrists are enthusiastically complicit.
You are clearly trying to strawman me again, which seems like your go to move here.
The DNC is currently a center right organization.
Practical leftists support them because they understand that in the American political system it is impossible to make another party, so the only way to avoid what we have here is to support the democrats and change them with local politics and primaries.
The practical leftists aren’t foolish enough to believe that the democrats losing will magically move them left, as what we’ve seen is instead, they’re happy to continue being “at least we aren’t republicans”
Your attempt to call the centrrists do nothing but genocide is an astoundingly ignorant take that shows you truly don’t take politics seriously, as you only go based on vibes and not policy decisions and more than that do not understand how little can be done in a permanent fashion when voters let in the other party every 4 to 8 years and you have no usable senate super majority.
You have yet to say anything that wasn’t repeating your strawman like a broken record. Like your politics don’t have any nuance to them at all or aren’t your honest opinions but just something you where to troll people who are actually angry with the state of USA politics.
Yes, you can block it in settings.
Free speech means that you can speak your opinion freely without the state (country…) punishing you for it.
Free speech doesn’t mean I have to listen to/read everything.
And yes, you can block the whole of lemmy.world easily, if you want to.
Didn’t ask what you wish I meant by “free speech” or what you’re glad I don’t mean by it.
Would thank you for answering what I asked if you didn’t waste my time answering (with fucked up wording) those 2 un-asked questions first
I did answer with these statements on your first question. Regarding the second one, sorry I’m not the tech support.
People who rant about “free speech” typically mean “hate speech” but don’t have the balls to just call it that.
Why do you want to block an instance? You don’t like free speech?
Wow you really wasted 5 seconds reading a lemmy reply
Interesting way of reasoning: “They are bad because they block stuff they don’t want to read, so I block them because what they do is stuff I don’t want to read.”
Shouldn’t you be blocking yourself if you follow that way of reasoning?
There’s a lot of users there who would very much prefer that no one to their left (and only their left) should be permitted to speak.
Your reply comes form there but will probably be the last post I see from there because I’m gonna go ahead and block the instance. Unless that still lets replies come through (fine with me, main feed is more my focus)
Oh look, someone else to block.
Do you announce every button you press?
“Hitting the reply button below your comment!”
“Typing my comment!”
“Clicking Reply!”
Yes they do, that’s how they operate. It’s just showing off they don’t like new viewpoints.
Another!
Nobody cares who you block
People designated .ml as a tankie instance for very good reason: the admins of .ml have repeatedly shown to be pro-authoritarian.
For years now I’ve seen incessant gaslighting from tankies pretending that “tankie” is some catch-all term baselessly thrown around like “woke”. However, I’ve pretty much exclusively seen the term “tankie” used to describe people who support authoritarian regimes/dictatorships.
By any leftist conception, capitalist nations are undeniably authoritarian, yet you never see self described “leftist” who praise welfare capitalist states like the Scandinavian countries getting called a tankie. Clearly the term is not “used to describe people who support authoritarian regimes/dictatorships”.
Bedtimes are authoritarian, your parents are tyrannical
LOL. Your main instance — lemmy.blahaj.zone —has a blanket ban on all Marxist Leninists, regardless of whether they are “tankie” or not. That is the most authoritarian thing I have seen on Lemmy so far and it’s from a self-proclaimed anarchist instance. The hypocrisy is hilarious. Anarkiddies are so unserious.
Sure? But Blahaj isn’t a country, it’s a social media.
I’m free to register on multiple instances at once. If I ever became displeased with Blahaj’s admins, I could very easily go elsewhere.
.ml also isn’t a country
Why are you talking about countries? This thread is about social media.
My apologies for the confusion.
In my original comment, I was talking about the term “tankie”, which is a term we’re seeing used a lot on Lemmy (a social media) to refer to people who support authoritarian governments (of countries, such as Russia and China).
In my reply to you, I meant to say that the effects of a Lemmy instance being “authoritarian” aren’t at all as harmful to its users as an authoritarian country is to its residents, since it’s easy to change instances but its not generally easy (and sometimes not reasonably possible) to change countries.
There was a few people calling dbzer0 a tankie instance, when it’s an anarchist instance.
Yeah we’re somehow Tankies for wanting democrats to try harder and saying we need to do more then vote.
An ‘anarchist’ instance which claims to oppose genocide, yet allows genocide denial if it’s painted red, and where the admins deny UN verified sexual assault.
Fantastic.
Anything’s possible when you make shit up kiddo
I don’t support authoritarian regimes, but I get called a tankie plenty by centrists who hate that I don’t support the authoritarian regime that their wing of the party sold weapons to.
“Tankie” is just something the genocide wing calls people who disagree with their only policy.
ah, then my impressions are biased, since I haven’t heard that term outside of Lemmy.
There’s pretty much only one person I know irl that calls themselves a “centrist”.
During the Reddit exodus, there were lots of complaints about left wing extremism. Most of them were landing on ml, grad or hexbear. This isn’t a good thing in the long run, so the bad press is necessary; otherwise this place risks being branded as “tankie HQ” before we can get some real traffic here.
No one “worries” about seeing it. It’s that if you engage with anyone from, or anything posted in, a .ml, about any topic at all, you’ll eventually be hit with “capitalism causes all problems in the universe” or the rest of their standard “I’m 19 and this is deep” tankie talking points like some mandatory checklist of things they have to cram into every post or they get kicked out of the instance. It’s exhausting and pointless. No one runs around elsewhere in Lemmy making it a point to defend capitalism, so it’s just of a constant eye-roll when “I’m an independent thinker! Here’s the same thing we all say!” happens.
Edit: OOOh, seems like I struck a nerve, eh?
No one “worries” about seeing it.
Then block them and quit whining that people don’t like exploitation as much as you.
capitalism causes all problems in the universe
When people post comments like yours or memes like the above it really comes off as defending capitalism and the status quo…
You clearly haven’t engaged with anything, and lol @ “independent thinker” from someone defending the dominant economic and political system, which fyi is exactly what you’re doing
haven’t engaged with anything
lmao. Not sure what’s funnier here, that you apparently don’t exist according to your comment, or that it’s basically “Nuh-UH, YOU’RE STUPID!”
lol @ “independent thinker”
Speaking of which, where exactly did I defend anything? Quote the specific text.
Here, I’ll help. I said:
No one runs around elsewhere in Lemmy making it a point to defend capitalism,
Including me.
I explained how someone else might arrive at the place where the original meme was made. People on .ml instances are not some fully complete and perfect opposite pole of the Western world. Y’all have some opinions, and that’s not even the problem. You’re super annoying with how you try and force them on people.
Like how you’re literally lying and angry about the fact that not everyone likes how you communicate. Your ideas aren’t the problem, how you talk about them is the problem.
Fun fact: Explaining the biology of a seagull to someone doesn’t make me a seagull. If I ask you to explain how a microwave works, shall you become a microwave?
The dominant economic and political system is mixed and always has been.
It’s not about the economic system, it’s the constant china glazing
It absolutely is about the economic system, and the “china glazing” is a direct response to US propaganda
china glazing" is a direct response to US propaganda
Cringe
So your response to people glazing the usa is glazing an authorization country. And you wonder why people don’t like ML?
No, it’s not about the economic system. Christ knows communists aren’t in short supply on lemmy, if that was true you’d see more support. Don’t kid yourself.
No, people are attacking China with misinformation created and distributed by the US specifically because their economic system represents an existential threat to our own
how I look while typing replies:
Hell yeah, spread it out for everyone to see.
Noice
I can’t tell whether a meme featuring a character from a Chinese game company is part of the joke or coincidental.
Either way, I upvote for Silver Wife.
Except it’s true. Not a fan of tankies or marxism
personally I prefer marxist/anarchist spaces, not a fan of liberals or conservatives
That’s great for you, you can enjoy your commie and anarchy. I’m just gunna chill over here.
It’d be worthwhile opening up your mind to Marxism. Tankies are kinda like the KKK of conservativism
I know about marxism it’s not for me. I like democracy and capitalism and I don’t even benefit from it much, but I just prefer it to be this way.
I don’t even benefit from it much, but I just prefer it to be this way.
Cool life. \s
yes sir.
That’s kinda the problem though. Preferring it to be this way isn’t a realistic thing. Capitalism will end in favour of something else eventually; whether it be in our lifetimes or 500 years from now. That’s what Marxism explains.
Similarly, Marxism aims to achieve MORE democracy than we currently have. You’re only aware of the Leninist variants. You don’t actually know as much as you think.
Naw again I understand it I just prefer the way the government is now. I don’t think marxism is the solution or it will happen in our lifetimes but I agree it might in the future
Lemmy.ml is the devil tempting good leftists to sin. They pretend to be leftists, but the admins are transphobic. It’s a trap designed to trick leftists into supporting transphobia. That way they won’t get to go to heaven.
I was made a moderator here after calling out cis shitters being transphobic in our trans comm; the only admin we have beef with is Nutomic, the rest have been fine.
Have you considered that you defending an instance that defends a transphobe means you are defending a transphobe? Because Jesus Christ (transmasculine, He/Him) would have considered that if He were in your position, and He wouldn’t do it. It’s a sin.
Can we not do the reddit novelty accounts here?
I’ll happily go to hell if the alternative is ceding a space I’m in to transphobes without a fight tyvm
Well no, both of those things are supporting transphobes, the only difference is whether you’re supporting Nutomic’s transphobia or someone else’s. The true alternative is to quit lemmy.ml and not be a transphobe supporter at all.
I guess your argument is the best thing to do is to slowly reform the space by working under a transphobe, like that’s ever worked in history.
is your actual position that trans people should give transphobes free reign in any and every space they want, because to contest that would be actually supporting them?
My actual position is that Dessalines should tell Nutomic to either stop being a transphobe or get lost. And since Dessalines won’t do either, lemmy.ml is a lost cause and should be defederated by every trans-respecting instance until it’s stuck in its own little transphobic bubble with lemmygrad and hexbear. The rest of us get on with our lives and slowly move over to Piefed like Ada is doing with her community. Eventually lemmy.ml is about as influential as Truth Social or Raddle or Digg and Nutomic dies at the ripe old age of 90, having learned nothing and lost all relevance. In the intervening decades a worldwide communist revolution has destroyed capitalism, so Nutomic is entitled to free healthcare in his battle with cancer/parkinsons/dementia, because I support liberty and equality for all, even wankers.
That’s what I think we should do.
Facts
Jesus Christ is a fictional character and the logical end conclusion of your points is:
“Transphobes decide where everyone else can go. First we wait to see where transphobes go, and then we stay away from those places, because we want the transphobes to have free ownership of whatever they choose and not be bothered by anyone”
Nutomic is one of the two lead developers and owners of lemmy.ml. If using and defending a platform owned by a transphobe is brave resistance, why don’t you go to Truth Social or Xitter instead? It would save us having to hear your silly arguments.
I use X because I’m not banned there. I won’t bother with Truth Social knowing they’d ban me
Well there we go, don’t we
Lol yeah you sound like a jesus fan, physically incapable of understanding anything outside the context of sin and damnation
You were on the right track but then fell off
Oh gawd that is rich, do authoritarians pay you for these sick memes!?
I actually unlocked the ultimate grift: getting on the payroll for every foreign government all at once in return for my single digit posts per day on obscure internet forum for linux nerds.
Me, I’m not on anybody’s payroll. But I’m trying to be. Once I build up my modlog enough as a freelancer, the plan is to print it out and mail it to the nearest Chinese embassy so I can finally quit my day job.
"Thanks for joining us for the Militant Lemmy 2025 awards show! It is going to be a great year for autocrats boys and girls. A special thanks to all our disenfranchised westerners, remember without your misguided support tyrants everywhere might feel unwelcome.
For our first award this year we are celebrating the most hypocritical poster. We are not just talking about any old conservative hypocrite here, we are talking about people so hypocritical they don’t even remember what they actually agreed or disagreed with to begin with. People who are so contradictory they make doublethink seem like a fun meditative practice.
Alright, the votes are in. This is going to be a wild one folks! This years winner is none other than DIVA!!!"
See, this proves even if you are a lonely pusher of shitty propaganda you to can get recognized for your efforts. Congratulations, you really do deserve it.
Idk why you call my hypocritical or disingenuous, I’m actually very ideologically consistent and earnest, I just like to joke around as well.
that aside, I don’t need your recognition when I already have like 12 different paychecks rolling in
Why do you care about tankies so much?
You can just let people be wrong. It costs nothing.
They’re obviously hardliners to the point of comedic effect but why do you care so much to argue?
Do you really expect someone who’s so set in their opinions as to join .ml to read your comment and just go, “oh damn, guess I’ll just stop believing in the things I believe in and believe in entirely different things”?
Do you genuinely think you’re so convincing or do you just enjoy a good pissing contest?
Why do you care about tankies so much?
You can just let people be wrong. It costs nothing.
Well… when they’re for example spreading disinformation and propaganda for Russia, that can cost a lot, even if not immediately, or not to you personally. As someone from a small nation that has a long history of being attacked by Russia, I’ll ask: what do you think ultimately happens when more and more people start to believe they have the right to invade their neighbors…? I’d rather not just let paid trolls and simple idiots spread Kreml’s disinformation to weaken “the west”, and justify taking over Ukraine and attacks on other countries as well
Well… when they’re for example spreading disinformation and propaganda for Russia, that can cost a lot
Yes, I agree, spreading Russia’s misinformation should be combated and illegal.
We need to immediately close and fine Facebook, X and Reddit.
Do you believe that engaging in arguments will change that? If anything your helping them by boosting their visibility via engagement metrics.
Changing a tankie’s mind with arguing is a sisyphean task.
Changing their minds isn’t really the point of it, it’s more about giving the other people possibly seeing the thing a better chance to realize what they’re reading, so they might not believe the disinformation as easily.
Obviously fighting constantly against a crowd consisting mostly of trolls and idiots you can’t even tell apart would take a heavy toll on anyone - I fully agree with it being a sisyphean task. Personally I just tend to block the major communities harboring them, and do only small stuff like these comments pointing this pattern out
Tankies are the worst of the worst. They ban people for nonsense, brigade people with alts, and are devoid of candor. I have talked with hundreds of people who have been mistreated and abused by them including myself.
What I say here has no bearing on anything and I am not stopping anyone from doing anything. I have no power, I am not a mod, and I don’t have alts.
I was literally having a fun fantasy in the face of someone that is without a doubt disingenuous. It is taking it to a higher place beyond what is going on. Absurdity meets absurdity. I get you don’t get it and that is okay.
Lol pure projection
I have no love for tankies. It just seemed like a lot of effort and mental energy went into that so I thought there may be some interesting lore there.
Pick up that can…
Imagine loving kindergarten and the “clean up” song so much that you post this meme repeatedly thinking it’s some kind of burn, while not even realizing that this kind of thing completely serves authoritarianism.
Indoctrination works.
Politically you are a toddler
You do know that crazy people can believe in and spread conspiracy theories for free…
So not liking .ml makes you checks notes a conspiracy theorist. Got it.
Your reading comprehension needs work.
Your probably right.
Openbsd?
Why do so many tankies hang out on a Mali top level domain?
A snake, a cat, a living toxic ball full of venom …and a puffer fish.
the rattlesnake is also venomous,
I am American and say .ml is the perfect representation of the American population.
Is it sarcasm?
nope, it would be center-right wing with a dash of "further right, but not maga right as a whole. is representative of america, ultra-left wing is a very small minority often with a younger population that isnt cognizant of history of "left leaning governments’, decades of anti-communist propaganda see to that a left leaning party never has power.
Not at all. The only group I have ever seen that is as toxic as .ML was The Donald on Reddit. The Mods and users are literal propaganda machines and they all have alts and abuse the shit out of everyone who doesn’t boot lick authoritarians.
I honestly believe they are no different than the Alt-right. Maybe it is one of those horse shoe things, but more likely they are just disingenuous conservatives.
more a horseshoe thing. Once someone gets so authoritarian, there’s kinda’ no point in even looking for differences. They’re both interested in tasting boot, so fuck 'em both.
Id bet disingenuous conservatives from other cultures mixed in with useful idiot Americans.
Americans have a tendency to think the entire world is just McDonalds after McDonalds. There are millions of people on this earth that dont see things the way Americans do and the internet has no boarders.
Im an anarcho communist and i can not fucking stand tankies. Especially the vangaurd dipshits
Doesn’t that mean you want to forcibly cease people’s property at gun point and shoot them if they try to stop you? That sounds pretty fucking tankie to me.
Wait until you meet the other people who hate tankies.
Tell me one (1) successful socialist revolution you support
Or, better, do you support the Spanish Civil War anarchists (who lost to fascism) more than the Bolsheviks (who won)?
Anarcho communism…anarchosyndicalism…Christ I wanna take all these obfuscations, crumple them into a ball of just plain anarchy, and burn it. No offense of course!
Yeah, it just helps filter the madness. Anarcho capitalists still consider themselves anarchists even tough they ae fucking stupid
As a side note, I’ve only done very little Wikipedia level reading on anarchocommunism, and as much as I also believe people help each other willingly, I’ve yet to hear a good defence on how it would be possible with the massive populations we have now, as opposed to pre-history.
It’s all well and good that there are federated groups, with free association, but this is fundamentally ignoring that not all regions are equally blessed in resources.
If you have money, well then you need a centralised or decentralised way of miniting the money.
If you don’t have money, well, I don’t think it’s much of a stretch to think that people will want to take care more of the people immediately around them, rather than people on the other side of the world, and since we’re not getting together on large scales to make binding decisions, then there’s no way to guarantee that everyone has a fair share.
I’m not saying that more decentralised government wouldn’t work, but I do remain thoroughly unconvinced that free association of small groups across the entire world, would lead to much equity at all.
And as much as we may dream, there WILL be dickheads ruining it for the rest of us. Humans are nice, but humans can also be awful. Pretending otherwise is foolish and doomed to failure.
I’m a socialist, and am very keen to hear your thoughts :)
Well I guess nothing causes chaos quite like that 🤑
You know what’s cute?
Watching Anarcosyndicalists argue vehemently with Anarchocapitalists
I really rather not argue with ‘ancaps’, it’s a meme ideology that is completely fine with a dictatorship of capital.
here’s my favorite writeup from an ‘ancap’ after one such exchange:
spoiler
I was beat up by left anarchists in Greece.
I don’t usually use forums or Reddit, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell’s blog, but they didn’t seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you.
Nov 3 I flew to Europe for a Eurotrip type tour. Not a guide or packaged deal, just going around by myself. I paid for half of the trip with the wages I earned over the last two years, my dad paid for the other half. I am 19, I guess that is normal starting college and all. (Before that I worked for my dad’s company part time, so I guess you could say he paid for all of it, lol).
I did France and then Italy and then Greece next. I am an Ancap so I wanted to see anarchists in these places. Yes, I know they are different kinds of “anarchists” and not really full anarchists like us. I went to an anarchist book store in Italy and it had a lot of English books, but no Rothbard or Ancap. Like I said, I expected that, not a surprise.
I went to Greece, which everyone knows is famous for its revolutionary anarchism, its economic crisis and everything going on right now. Here I found directions for a local anarchist center. I went and didn’t see anybody, but it was covered in graffiti, mostly in Greek so I couldn’t read it. Whatever, I started taking pictures. Then some people came out and confronted me.
This should have been my first warning sign something was not right, because photography is not a crime. They were not violent, but they were not friendly, like asking who I was, what I wanted. They all spoke good English actually. Not uncommon in Greece. I said I was a tourist and an anarchist and I just wanted to take pictures. Then they got friendly and told me I should have asked first (but pictures are no NAP violation so I don’t know why, but I didn’t say anything) and they invited me inside.
We hung out for a while and smoked hash (there is no good dank in Europe as you might find out like in Cali, everyone smokes hash with tobacco which isn’t as cool as it sounds). We started talking about politics and anarchism. I was trying to talk about the state, they were like yeah no doubt the state was bad. But they wanted to talk about capitalism, capitalism this and that. This is when we started to get into a debate.
I told them that what they called capitalism is different from the free market. They said capitalism is free markets. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real capitalism is free markets. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don’t even have that right now. We need more free markets. And everyone at the same time was like “nooo” we are anarchists, we are against capitalism. Anarchists oppose capitalism.
And I said but not anarcho-capitalists. Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it). And I said look, these are the Ancap colors, yellow and black, like versus the communist red and black. Well, these guys had a lot of red and black in the building already so I thought they would get it.
I think that is when it started to get a really bad vibe, really tense in the air. The free market thing was funny, we disagreed but I think they thought I was just confused. Everyone was uncomfortable now. Then someone said markets wont work with democracy. And I said exactly, that’s it, democracy is against anarchism. And they kind of agreed, and said yes, we don’t have real democracy, just governments, and we needed more democracy. I said no, we need less democracy, democracy is the enemy. And we need to end democracy to have anarchy. Then they were all like “noooo” again. You know that thing people do in groups when everyone all says “nooo” or expresses some disapproval at the same time.
And one of them said “but we do want to stop democracy” and then they kind of spoke back and forth in Greek. I didn’t really understand it. And they asked me what I meant.
So I said okay, I had the floor, I was going to tell them about ancapism. And I tried to explain to them some Rothbard and Hoppe. I said the natural order in anarchy is that the best rise to the top, the market picks who is the best. They compete and are peaceful. They said what do we want instead of anarchy. I said we want private owners to own their own land and businesses, and to employ people. They said that is what we have now. I said no, it would be even better. One of the guys said it was like feudalism. And I said it is not feudalism.
Eventually one of the guys spoke up and I thought he was Greek, but he spoke English perfectly so he may have not been. He said he knew what anarcho-capitalism was and that we were basically fascists. He asked me if I thought everything should be private. And I said yes. And he asked me if I thought people were unequal. And I told him yes. And that not everyone would have equal rights. I said everyone has the right to own property and not be done aggression against. But that not everyone had to be treated equally by the owners. He said what about immigrants and racism. And I said that would not happen in a free market, but yes property owners could be racist if they wanted to. They had to respect property.
Then he called me a fascist again, and someone else said I was a fascist. And then they basically all started shouting fascist at me, and one of them grabbed me by the wrists. They pulled me out the door, it was up three floors, and basically drug me down the stairs on my back. It hurt really bad and I remember yelling “you’re breaking the NAP” and things like that. “Stop initiating force against me.” Then they kicked me around on the ground in the hallway, before they took my camera and threw me outside. I was crying and stuff, I just sat there. I was in shock because it was so sudden. Looking back there were warning signs though.
I think they felt bad for me and gave the camera back, but when I looked later they stole the memory card with all of my Greek photos.
So they initiated force and theft. They broke the NAP. I knew the left anarchists were not real anarchists, but I never knew they would do something that bad.
I wasnt seriously hurt, just kicked around a little, lots of bruises and little cuts. I am fine guys so don’t worry. Just needed to share.
Was that post even real though? I feel like it’s been debunked.
This copypasta is fantastic lmao
Molyneux or Cantwell
I stopped reading here. Molyneux is an open white supremacist; Cantwell is more well-known as “the Crying Nazi”
Anyone consuming their content regularly and posting to these blogs shares much more ideologically with the Third Reich than they do with any notion of tolerant diverse civil society.
my experience with US libertarians is that they’re all like that just under the surface
they’re all like that
You do understand how tribal and insular this is, and how much you are playing into exactly the us-versuss-them dynamic that you purport to hate?
just stating my experience with them as I’ve known many over the years, the ones who are actually earnest stop being ancaps/libertarians
I’m gonna be honest, kicking the shit out of a nerd because you don’t agree with his words is not as cool as you seem to think.
Sure he was “wrong,” but did anyone try “please leave, we no longer wish to discuss these matters with you” before jumping to initiating violence? Multiple attackers no less (which would meet the threshold of deadly force in most states, luckily for them not Greece).
Back in my day children were taught to use their words, but I guess immature adults that are incapable of doing so still have to bully people physically, sucks to suck I guess, get eloquent losers.
counterpoint: ancaps suck and I don’t care about people being mean to them
Ahhh… lemmy.ml; I should have known. An information bubble.
Yes it feels good an cathartic to hate on people whose ideas are perverse. Let the hate flow through you all you like; it won’t turn you into one of the Good Guys.
Yes, Nazi ideology needs to be annealed, expunged, eliminated from the world in the same way that, say, chattel slavery (laregly) has been.
No, that won’t happen by people beating up Nazis.
Grow up
Physical violence is literally the only way to stop nazis, go read a book
Yes, Nazi ideology needs to be annealed, expunged, eliminated from the world in the same way that, say, chattel slavery (laregly) has been.
what does annealed mean in this usage? I don’t get the metaphor you’re going for because the literal reading to me says you’re saying that it must tempered/softened. I don’t think that’s an appropriate response to Nazis, it’s a very soft connotation.
Grow up
making fun of libertarians really struck a nerve huh
Sure, then again tankies suck but I don’t think people should initiate violence against them for their words, I’ll just argue or cut comtact. Guess that’s what makes me better than you.
They’re not arguing for racism and capitalism to continue though but you can do what you like and I’ll continue to laugh at the copypasta
That’s what makes us civilized, and the Diva from lemmy.ml Part of the Problem, and actually an unintentional Nazi accelerant and enaber.
Ah geez just melt my brain instead 💀
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OpenBSD
So I should avoid Libertarians, OpenBSD, and the IWW?
I don’t know about the rest but yeah libertarians generally suck. But they can be really funny, just not when they’re trying to tell jokes.
For my favorite of all time, go to r/libertarian and search “age of consent”, then sort by controversial
Also libertarians support… checks notes…
selling children as consumer goods in accord with market forces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard#Children’s_rights_and_parental_obligations
Yes you should definitely avoid libertarians. They’re not living in reality. The other two are probably fine.
Fair enough (OpenBSD is an operating system and the IWW is a major union)
