The ml stands for Marxist-Leninist, and the admin (and creator of Lemmy) named themself after a genocidal warlord
Edit: only on Lemmy will you find people who read shit like this and say “that’s not a genocide, those women and children deserved to be executed for the crime of being French”
That doesn’t look like genocide to me because there was a credible threat to their freedom from the white people that benefited from slavery like the teachers, doctors, merchants etc. even if they personally didn’t own slaves there was a clear incentive for them to want to bring back slavery. Also notably white people that fought with them were spared, so it’s not just wantonly killing everyone who is white.
And even if excessive (which I’m not conceding btw) I’m not gonna blame slaves that had just won their freedom for being overly paranoid and suspicious of the society that enslaved them. This is not like other massacres that are directed at oppressed people to exploit them or steal their land, this is the other way around, the oppressed making sure that there is no trace left of the society that oppressed them.
I mean if the doctors and teachers are part of a slaver society than I don’t mind the dying. Like who do you think were the people upholding apartheid in south africa for example? Especially doctors, teachers and other such middle class people that benefitted from apartheid but without having to get their hands dirty were the ones handwringing about “civility”. They always have such a nice facade and talk politely but their livelihood built on the back of the labor of the oppressed is very very precious to them and they are for freedom in theory, but don’t want to give up any of their privileges.
Or as Assata Shakur put it
As far as I’m concerned, ‘liberal’ is the most meaningless word in the dictionary. History has shown me that as long as some white middle-class people can live high on the hog, take vacations to Europe, send their children to private schools, and reap the benefits of their white skin privilege, then they are ‘liberal’. But when times get hard and money gets tight, they pull off that liberal mask and you think you’re talking to Adolf Hitler. They feel sorry for the so-called underprivileged just as long as they can maintain their own privileges.”
I mean if the doctors and teachers are part of a slaver society than I don’t mind the dying.
Fuck you. Quit running apologetics for genocide. Dessalines did not wait to check if the people he was having raped and murdered played any role in the institution of slavery.
Yes. It’s called colonialism. The ideas of freedom, equality and fraternity were only meant to be for white people. The same progressive revolution wholeheartedly supported the enslavement and murder of millions of Africans in the colonial processes that took place during and after.
I don’t necessarily support everything that every French revolutionary did, but I do support beheading monarchs. Given my earlier statement that genocide is indeed always bad, can you guess what my stance is regarding any genocides that any French people were engaged in during the revolution?
What you asked was “I take it you condemn the French revolution for abolishing monarchy through guillotines?” The answer is no, I do not condemn the French revolution for that particular thing.
Ok, now I hope you ask yourself why a predominantly black slave revolt decapitating the enslavers deserves no support, whereas a predominantly white peasant revolt decapitating the monarchs deserves support.
The black slaves were literally enslaved by the people they executed. They suffered from their whips, from their tortures, and from the murder of their loved ones by those very people. Do you really not see why a slave revolt in those conditions would lead to excesses in violence against former enslavers?
No, Im pretty sure these people pretending to have innocent opinions are pro genocide because they are putting their egos ahead of pragmatism by pretending they don’t understand the immense harm done when they falsely equate both parties just because neither are left leaning.
Also when they ignore that the only chance of having leftist policies come to life in America is through shifting a winning democrat party over multiple terms in a very boring and not fun at all way rather than a fictional grass roots uprising magically changing the USA, famous for its molasses slow politics, over night.
With claims like this, you make it very easy to dismiss what you’re saying, but given that I kinda can guess what you mean if I give you the biggest benefit of the doubt humanly imaginable, are you referring to the type of people who say shit like “we should form a party” completely oblivious to the way their own politcal system works and the fact that it would only ensure that the only path to escaping the regime was sealed shut?
No, he’s right. I know, it’s hard to believe, but these people really are batshit crazy. We’re talking stetements like “Stalin did nothing wrong”, “China is right in killing the Uigures” and “Ukraine is former UDSSR territory therefore Russia is not invading”.
It’s a mild exaggeration. I sometimes talk about things happening on the fediverse without providing a link, but the difference is, if I’m asked for a link, I can provide one. It isn’t difficult to use the search function, especially if my memory of a conversation is reliable.
In any case, it’s always best to assume the person is lying if they say something about their opponents’ views that they can’t actually back up. Like, I could say that I had some half-remembered conversation with somebody where they said they like to torture puppies. If you read that, it shouldn’t go into the “maybe” column, it should do into the “false” column. It’s false until it’s validated with evidence, and that’s especially true when evidence should be easy to provide.
If you treat it as anything but an outright lie, that promotes a culture of making stuff up, because bad actors are fine with getting people to think their opponents “might” torture puppies, and they won’t get called out in that culture. This is how you get crybullies.
In any case, even if it isn’t an outright lie or bad faith, you can’t rely on people’s memories. Hell, a lot of the time, a person couldn’t even accurately restate the other person’s position during an argument.
I’ve said this line dozens of times btw (and it’s in my profile). I don’t recall ever being proven wrong, they never have the receipts.
I am in China right now, plan to go back to urumqi in a few weeks, just wanted you to know this is some “Portland is a warzone”-tier deviation from reality. Literally anyone can just go there.
You could check the MeanwhileOnGrad community that documents every bit of it, but your instance admins blocked it on your instance to keep you all in the dark and shield themselves from accountability. You’ll have to view it from a different instance.
Popped over and saw a post saying a user was praising the Uyghur genocide. Read the post and instead it was a guy saying that China was successfully deradicalising terrorists…
So yeah. No ones saying “I love that China is genociding muslims!”
Hey look everyone! It’s a .ml user using a single example to serve as proof that the well-documented dumbassery of .ml is all just made up. Or you know, their MO for all disagreements.
Whats the issue with ml?
Libs get their feelings hurt.
The ml stands for Marxist-Leninist, and the admin (and creator of Lemmy) named themself after a genocidal warlord
Edit: only on Lemmy will you find people who read shit like this and say “that’s not a genocide, those women and children deserved to be executed for the crime of being French”
That certainly is a take on jean-jacques dessalines who led the haitian revolution aganist slavery after the french betrayal of toussaint louverture.
It is an objectively correct take. Genocide, believe it or not, is always bad
I want to make it unequivocally clear that slave owners deserve to die. If they had only murdered slave owners, I would be a fan
That doesn’t look like genocide to me because there was a credible threat to their freedom from the white people that benefited from slavery like the teachers, doctors, merchants etc. even if they personally didn’t own slaves there was a clear incentive for them to want to bring back slavery. Also notably white people that fought with them were spared, so it’s not just wantonly killing everyone who is white.
And even if excessive (which I’m not conceding btw) I’m not gonna blame slaves that had just won their freedom for being overly paranoid and suspicious of the society that enslaved them. This is not like other massacres that are directed at oppressed people to exploit them or steal their land, this is the other way around, the oppressed making sure that there is no trace left of the society that oppressed them.
Jesus Christ. I’m talking to someone justifying the slaughter of fucking doctors and teachers and children, and I’m the bad guy in this discussion
I mean if the doctors and teachers are part of a slaver society than I don’t mind the dying. Like who do you think were the people upholding apartheid in south africa for example? Especially doctors, teachers and other such middle class people that benefitted from apartheid but without having to get their hands dirty were the ones handwringing about “civility”. They always have such a nice facade and talk politely but their livelihood built on the back of the labor of the oppressed is very very precious to them and they are for freedom in theory, but don’t want to give up any of their privileges.
Or as Assata Shakur put it
Fuck you. Quit running apologetics for genocide. Dessalines did not wait to check if the people he was having raped and murdered played any role in the institution of slavery.
That’s still not a genocide, dumbass
It’s not a genocide, it’s just the indiscriminate slaughter of a people based on their nationality
I take it you condemn the French revolution for abolishing monarchy through guillotines?
Did the French indiscriminately slaughter people based on their nationality during the revolution?
Yes. It’s called colonialism. The ideas of freedom, equality and fraternity were only meant to be for white people. The same progressive revolution wholeheartedly supported the enslavement and murder of millions of Africans in the colonial processes that took place during and after.
Do you still support the French revolution?
I don’t necessarily support everything that every French revolutionary did, but I do support beheading monarchs. Given my earlier statement that genocide is indeed always bad, can you guess what my stance is regarding any genocides that any French people were engaged in during the revolution?
What you asked was “I take it you condemn the French revolution for abolishing monarchy through guillotines?” The answer is no, I do not condemn the French revolution for that particular thing.
Ok, now I hope you ask yourself why a predominantly black slave revolt decapitating the enslavers deserves no support, whereas a predominantly white peasant revolt decapitating the monarchs deserves support.
The black slaves were literally enslaved by the people they executed. They suffered from their whips, from their tortures, and from the murder of their loved ones by those very people. Do you really not see why a slave revolt in those conditions would lead to excesses in violence against former enslavers?
People who say this when the president is a democrat are called “tankies” by the pro-genocide center.
No, Im pretty sure these people pretending to have innocent opinions are pro genocide because they are putting their egos ahead of pragmatism by pretending they don’t understand the immense harm done when they falsely equate both parties just because neither are left leaning.
Also when they ignore that the only chance of having leftist policies come to life in America is through shifting a winning democrat party over multiple terms in a very boring and not fun at all way rather than a fictional grass roots uprising magically changing the USA, famous for its molasses slow politics, over night.
“You’re pro-genocide because you’re not as pro-genocide as me!” -every last pro-genocide centrist.
I’m not quite sure I can even begin to follow the logic there.
There are 2 realistic options and people pretending there are 3 are choosing the worst of 2.
There are 0 options. The election is over and carrying water for the genocide wing of the party just ensures that it never changes.
They ban everything that disagrees with pro-Russian/Chinese propaganda.
It’s full of whackjobs that love far-left authoritarian regimes. They’re doing the left a huge disservice because they’re bat shit crazy.
With claims like this, you make it very easy to dismiss what you’re saying, but given that I kinda can guess what you mean if I give you the biggest benefit of the doubt humanly imaginable, are you referring to the type of people who say shit like “we should form a party” completely oblivious to the way their own politcal system works and the fact that it would only ensure that the only path to escaping the regime was sealed shut?
No, he’s right. I know, it’s hard to believe, but these people really are batshit crazy. We’re talking stetements like “Stalin did nothing wrong”, “China is right in killing the Uigures” and “Ukraine is former UDSSR territory therefore Russia is not invading”.
If someone says something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.
That’s an easy position to have except it immediately makes every conversation easy to cohear with sealioning.
I can understand being skeptical of the other persons summary of sentiment, I am as well, but I don’t think your statement is accurate.
It’s a mild exaggeration. I sometimes talk about things happening on the fediverse without providing a link, but the difference is, if I’m asked for a link, I can provide one. It isn’t difficult to use the search function, especially if my memory of a conversation is reliable.
In any case, it’s always best to assume the person is lying if they say something about their opponents’ views that they can’t actually back up. Like, I could say that I had some half-remembered conversation with somebody where they said they like to torture puppies. If you read that, it shouldn’t go into the “maybe” column, it should do into the “false” column. It’s false until it’s validated with evidence, and that’s especially true when evidence should be easy to provide.
If you treat it as anything but an outright lie, that promotes a culture of making stuff up, because bad actors are fine with getting people to think their opponents “might” torture puppies, and they won’t get called out in that culture. This is how you get crybullies.
In any case, even if it isn’t an outright lie or bad faith, you can’t rely on people’s memories. Hell, a lot of the time, a person couldn’t even accurately restate the other person’s position during an argument.
I’ve said this line dozens of times btw (and it’s in my profile). I don’t recall ever being proven wrong, they never have the receipts.
I am in China right now, plan to go back to urumqi in a few weeks, just wanted you to know this is some “Portland is a warzone”-tier deviation from reality. Literally anyone can just go there.
Today I got a “no russia is freeing Ukraine from nazis and the genocide that Ukraine was doing to russia” some fucking how lol
Can you provide some examples
You could check the MeanwhileOnGrad community that documents every bit of it, but your instance admins blocked it on your instance to keep you all in the dark and shield themselves from accountability. You’ll have to view it from a different instance.
Isn’t that com run by an actual fascist? Funny how “anti-authoritarians” always seem to just mean “anti-communist”
Popped over and saw a post saying a user was praising the Uyghur genocide. Read the post and instead it was a guy saying that China was successfully deradicalising terrorists…
So yeah. No ones saying “I love that China is genociding muslims!”
Hey look everyone! It’s a .ml user using a single example to serve as proof that the well-documented dumbassery of .ml is all just made up. Or you know, their MO for all disagreements.
That’s one more than you provided
Hey look everyone! It’s multiple users who can’t provide any examples to validate the rumors they’re spreading about people they dislike!
You’ve got nothing and you know it