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Babe, new timezone just dropped.
I’m old enough to have been through this in IT (that and leapseconds) and it’s what my mind first jumped to (well, other than enshitification).
I installed win11 in a vm just for fun, then ran the deblpat script. The amount of shit that removed was astonishing.
Still sucks ass but at least its not as bad as a damn emachine from 2005. Win 11 performance is so damn shit.
And if you don’t reboot it like every ten days, services are guaranteed to not reenable and shit will start breaking. I see it daily, and people look at me weird wondering why they have to reboot their shit so often, thinking I’m lying to them and saying “reboot”.
What absolute scares me is how even if you download Windows Enterprise IoT, which already comes extremely clean out of the box, and then run your favorite debloating script (removing even more crap)… the system still shows a noticeable delay when opening the right click menu, or the start menu, or a new Explorer window. So the most basic possible tasks, that you do constantly, for some reason are slow on a modern multi-core processor and a clean build of the OS.
How the hell did they manage to downgrade… the start menu? the right click menu? How?
I read they’re using react, the JavaScript library, for the start menu. If true that strikes me as insane
JavaScript library, for the start menu.
🤮
They’re likely using react native (Microsoft has pretty much gone all in on react for new ui things). It’s not as crazy as it sounds, the majority of cross platform mobile apps use react native.
It’s important to note that it’s not a web browser that’s rendering the ui. The way it works is that react native provides a way for js logic to define the ui declaratively (kinda like HTML), then react native calls platform native components to do the actual rendering. So you declare
<Button>and what comes out on the other end is a real, genuine windows-provided button.
Just a moment
Progress bar at 100%
Progress text reads “complete”
Wait 2 hours
Why am I reminded of Monty Python’s Meaning Of Life?
“Doctor, what do I do?”
“NOTHING! YOU’RE. NOT. QUALIFIED!”
“PING!”
What was that?
That means your baby is STILL ALIVE!
We even brought in the machine that goes PING!
And the most expensive machine in the whole hospital.
Help clock. I’m a computer.
Obligatory Fenslerfilms GI Joe PSA reference + updoot
Stop all the downloadin
And why the fuck is windows always “preparing” to do something!? Are you generating a record of my activities to phone home with? Just do the damn thing!
Well, downloading maybe. But it should just say fuckin downloading!
Yay Windows, eh?
Microsoft needs to sit in on a one bar prison for 36hrs. It used to be bad. Now its tortuous.
Why even does anyone put up with any of it?
Tyranny of the default. Also aggressive enterprise salespeople.
We’re going to restart your computer during active hours. Your work will be interrupted. Fuck you.
The ‘keep changing hours’ section in this article works for me whenever I have to use that partition.
https://www.thewindowsclub.com/windows-updates-restart-disable
You pretty much create the script and have the task scheduler run it hourly. (You should be able to make it silent, though I’ve never bothered for the hourly, half-second cmd blip)
You should be able to make it silent
You can make it silent. Create a .vbs file, open it in a text editor, and input the following…
Set WshShell = CreateObject(“WScript.Shell”) WshShell.Run chr(34) & “z:\path\to\your\script.cmd” & Chr(34), 0 Set WshShell = Nothing
Have your scheduled task run the .vbs, rather than your initial script.
I want a script that forces the update servers at Redmond to reboot every hour on the hour
inb4 some commenter says this doesn’t happen.
It doesn’t happen to me, but I took a proactive approach to prevent it from happening. I don’t remember what that action was, since I did it years and years ago… but I know it’s possible. You just have to literally more than nothing to prevent these things.
Or you could switch to linux… but that takes an even more proactive approach.
My approach was spending even more money for the pro version so I could access the OS settings paywalled by group policy and set it to never automatically download updates.
It would tell me about updates, but wouldn’t do shit until I clicked a button on the update page to actually install them (though without the option to pick and choose which ones).
It still nagged me about stupid shit I didn’t want, like edge, bing, one drive, and their office subscription.
So when I built a newer computer, I gave them $0 and installed Fedora and laugh at my former reluctance because it’s actually been easier and I haven’t even had moments where I wished I had just stuck with windows.
Not saying that it’s been perfect without any issues, I just recall that there were also issues on windows to deal with, a lot more dated responses showing up in searches that tell you do go to some setting window that no longer exists because the question was answered 6 months ago. Oh and I haven’t had to fight my fucking OS deciding to change my settings back to the shitty defaults they set (plus Linux just has better defaults, so doesn’t even need as much settings tweaking).
And as an added bonus, switching made me finally pull the plug on xbox game pass, which was a nice idea but I still mostly just spent my time playing games on steam and forgetting to check game pass when buying games on sale, so it was kinda a waste of money. But each time I considered getting rid of it before, I’d instead convince myself it was good to have and end up playing some games on there for a few days before forgetting about it again.
you could switch to linux
Done
Ah, so not even speaking from experience, then.
… why are internet people like this?
I used windows constantly for 20+ years. Since windows 7 I noticed this auto-restarting bullshit. I switched to linux in 2021. What kind of gotcha do you think you have… ?
I never said it didn’t happen, I said you had to take steps to make it not happen.
Why are you like this? With the incessant need to be right and everyone else wrong?
ok. “no experience” in what exactly?
not everyone – just people who are confidently incorrect.
You’re just making yourself look even worse with every reply.
Interrupted, and not saved
Isn’t everything being saved automatically anyway, when you work in the cloud (i.e. SharePoint)?
It’s being saved, but not for you.
Love the snark in this thread
When ppl really Get It, you love to see it
I have to use Power BI for my job and it does automatically saves until it’s been open too long and then it stops automatically saving and also won’t let you manually save. Then you have to do a Save As for some reason, close every open PBI file, and reopen them, which takes approximately 3-5 business days.
Yes, until its somehow automatically deleted during a syncing error and than you’re fucked.
Your Comment (version 1).xlsx has been auto-recovered. Do you want it?
No, thanks! ;-)
Actually I work a lot with Office Documents on SharePoint in my job and for each of them “automatic saving” is on, so you never have to worry about anything. Just close the application when you’re done and your work is always up-to-date.
MS disabled the auto-save function for anything on a local disk, which is necessary for me because I use *gasp* version control software.
Makes sense. You wouldn’t want to hammer that file onto disk every second.
in good software autosave happens with a slight delay of 10 seconds or so. It’s really not uncommon.
Yes I do. I made a change. Save it. My disk can take it.
If you turn off a few of Microsoft’s more insane tracking in the privacy settings, it disables the autosave “feature”. The autosave fucked up version tracking badly enough that it was nice to have a global kill button.
I have found that turning off most new “features” that Microsoft makes recently is usually for the best.
Auto-saving works great except when I’m using an existing document as a template to make a new one only to remember 45 minutes in that I forgot to disable auto-save or make a copy to start with and the original document is gone.
Oh yes, I had this too. Templates filled with random content from various team members. Now we switched to dotx templates to avoid this kind of situation.
Libreoffice does this without forcing you to allow them to store all of your files. Because it’s a feature that doesn’t rely on any kind of cloud bs, MS just added that requirement because they are assholes that have no respect for their users.
Yeah, came home to my pc having restarted itself for updates the other day, despite having 2 VMs running at the time that were not properly shut down. Then Windows tried to push their cloud backup on me… twice, and it reset my mouse speed to the default for some reason
Then Windows tried to push their cloud backup on me… twice
This is major boundary respect by Microsoft’s standards
Yeah, there was at least a skip for now option… What more could I ask for?
Cloud backup just means they will use all and any data on your pc and network to train their shitty ai to do more shitty things and continue stealing our data. Yay future.
Lets say they don’t use private data for training
(Continue reading when you’re done laughing):
Eventually, victims eventually run out of “free” storage.
The humble corporation will do a bunch of psychologically unethical tricks to basically hypnotize users into forking over those three digits at the back of the family credit card.
Now the victim’s data is effectively held ransom. Keep paying or lose it.
But they won’t stop paying. They paid for a year’s plan at a discount and the peaceful megacorp conveniently hit autorenew for them at checkout.
12 months roll around and oopsie, they already have the money. They could go through the refund process, but they’ve got shit on their plate, might as well keep it for another year.
I could keep rambling, but on Lemmy, I’m probably preaching to the choir about the first verse of genesis.
The computer says no
It’s just getting updated to, modern times. (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞
Hmm something’s missing. Where is the ai integration?
Oh no. We’re going to get Vibe Clocks aren’t we? AI is just going to spit out times and it’s on you to check to make sure it’s correct.
But with a twist!
“Your clock has been set to UTC+08:00 since this is what most people use.”
Actually Indians
Not enough AI. Gotta use the webcam+AI to set the timezone to one that’s most frequently used by people of whatever ethnicity it thinks you are.
no no, it just needs your location data every second to make sure it’s set to the correct time zone. Microsoft and their 1.8 million partners decided that the clock can’t work without your location data.
(I’m joking, for the inevitable person that’s going to try to disagree)
Don’t worry, you can set a Registry key (after every update) to opt out.
“Hello, I’m your AI chat companion that consumes mass amounts of energy to help consult you on what time you should wake up to be efficient with your energy and time, how may I help?”
Hi I’m Clock Copilot
Set up an alarm at 7:53 am? Statistically this when most people wake up.
No
Set a 8:00:85 timer? To make you feel better about your dead grandma?
No
*Sets an 2:30 am timer anyway
im clock copilot and I will never gonna give you up every morning at 05:00 am from now on
After copilot was put into notepad I believe it
What do you think this update is for?
Replacing some code/bug that‘s been present since xp probably would be my second guess.
I’m still waiting(but not really) for them to fix the rdp app(msstore) but instead they killed it and now we have the „windows app“. What the fuck is even that backwards nondescript name.
Lol, waiting for Microsoft to fix things? Oh boy, your gonna be waiting awhile.
I was kinda hoping for the last 2 years. at my most recent ex workplace we had to manually apply every update (website basically) via rdp/teamviewer or whatever. So it would’ve been relatively nice to use the rdp tool which allows you to group and save your connections, if it wasn’t for the simple fact, that this application would crash your system‘s Explorer every time meaning you can’t copy shit. So i checked again and again and sure enough instead of fixing this one not that minor bug, they completely abandoned the application in favor of the windows app which our system administrator would’ve had to configure first, so it would not work at all. Thankfully I don’t have to cosplay as a ci anymore so all things considered nah I’ve stopped waiting for anything from ms. As you said it’s not worth it.
Good old MS, nothing like ignoring your costumers for decades.
llm counting the seconds for you lmao
My main gripe is Windows Defender. I have an app that integrates with Home Assistant and Windows keeps flagging a component as a Trojan virus. Makes sense, as it’s supposed to access admin level functions to read some sensors and enable remote power control.
But for years I’ve seen MsMpEng.exe, or the antivirus, constantly scan my 4TB HDD, either looking for viruses or doing some stupid NTFS remapping thing. It’s loud and only spun up when idle on Win10, but became more aggressive on Win11 with less time to start scanning and not stopping when I move the mouse.
The latest development with breaking my app just means I’m more vigilant in turning the entire antivirus off when it turns on and starts scanning.
Makes sense, as it’s supposed to access admin level functions to read some sensors and enable remote power control.
That makes no fucking sense. Kernal level driver accesses sensors. User mode driver reads that stuff and provides API access to whatever app.
You’ve got a shitty, shitty system.
Why are you using a hard drive?
I have a volume, let’s call it “Shit I put in here that I have randomly acquired over the years”, mostly smallish files of any nature, text, image, executables, archives, that I’ve been carrying with me for over two decades, cloning from one drive upgrade to the next, surviving multiple systems. I’ve noticed that starting with Windows 7, defender without so much as a notification, started removing random files it deems malicious. I suspect they may have been quarantined at first, but other times outright deleted, as I’m sure the default behaviour settings have been overridden by updates numerous times. I’ve had a couple executables that were doing direct memory reading and injection for some MMOs, think packet sniffing or botting/automating certain tedious tasks, and defender would eliminate the executable without so much as a warning when I have extracted backup archive of it.
Clock needs an update? To decimal time, or what?
Or did they have to patch it because they managed to build a security hole into the original?
It’s probably got AI now.
hallucinates It’s 5 o’clock somewhere!
New cities in world clock probably
So why does that need a whole new clock app? That would just be an update to
tzdataon a Linux system.I remember seeing this update on some machines I set up for work and wondering the same. It occurs the first time the clock app is launched, and the “update” is really just pulling the time zone data and setting the clock to what is accurate (internet based world clock), seperate from the bios time it was going off of prior to that. It’s really just looks worse than it is.
Yeah but that shouldn’t be so data or read/write intensive that you need an entire splash. Should take less than a second on any hardware capable of running w11.
Is it just doing some weird backend patching to make it compatible with the rest of windows somehow?
It makes sense in a weird way, but it doesn’t feel right for a clock. You need to account for the case where it does take longer than it should to update, because sometimes it will for any number of really weird reasons. So you can’t just design for the best case scenario.
Now that you have a splash screen you need to ask yourself if it’s better to show the splash screen while doing the update, or to just let the app be unresponsive for the common case of a moment and then show the splash if it goes over that.
The answer is to show the splash in the common case too.
Now people are seeing a “weird screen” for a moment before they can process what they’re seeing. So you need to make the screen have a minimum display time to keep people from being confused.It’s weird, but people can sometimes be more confused by thinking something happened too fast.
Good arguments for any given program, just hard to imagine they’re still valid for a clock. There’s no other example i can’t think of that a clock has noticeable startup delay or even update time. In the most charitable wording this is exceptional, a unique example amongst the broadest class of programs.
I now realize it’s probably not worth attempting to convince me to not be cynical, i’m having as much trouble as OP with this lol. Thanks for your thoughts though.
You’re right, it should just cURL a JSON but this is Microsoft
I was going to ask what major cities have changed names, but we are on the brink of WWIII.
What happened? I can’t find New Amsterdam.
There’s thousands and thousands of them around the world. And other countries are developing faster than the U.S. too.
Developing country or not, major cities don’t just change names without major conflicts anymore.
New major cities, or smaller ones that weren’t previously listed.
Like in the U.S, major cities are usually actually a dozen or more cities making up a metro area. I distinctly remember in the 2010s a lot of world clocks would only list the name of the metro area and maybe one or two others for a given metro area.
At least it tells you what stupid shit it is doing. There is apparently another ‘security update’ for android and I’m assuming it is actually another complete UI overhaul called a security update again.
Security updates are very important
They are!
UI overhauls are NOT security updates. OneUI7 or whatever it was called was presented as a security update.
daylight savings time has gone too far
