I am apalled to see the comments here making light of the death of a child with their “win stupid prizes” schtick.
Instead of talking about access to gun safety education. Instead of reminding parents about the absolute necessity of gun lockers. Instead calling for gun reform so kids can’t get guns in the first place.
But no, carry on victim blaming, seems much more productive.
17 is not a child. 17 year olds can get legally married and have kids. 17 year olds can hold full time jobs. 17 year olds can be tried as adults for crimes.
And yeah, I’m sure as fuck going to blame him here. He’s not a victim! His loved ones are the victims. I’ve been 17 before. I remember my level of stupidity and the level of those around me. We were dumb as fuck. You know what we didn’t do? Point guns at our heads. I didn’t grow up with guns and had only shot a gun one time by the time I was 17, and I knew to never point a gun at my head.
The only time I’ve seen someone point a gun at their head in person was a 19 year old dude in college who was looking down the barrel of his friend’s gun checking to see if it was loaded. We immediately yelled at him to stop and then lectured him about how dumb it was. He refused to believe he was in any danger even after multiple people lectured him. We tried to give him gun training after the fact, but he didn’t believe us.
It’s not his age. It’s not that he didn’t get safe gun training. He’s just a dumbass.
Biologically, a seventeen year old is still an adolescent who lacks fully formed frontal lobes. Frontal lobes are responsible, amongst other things, for impulse control, judgment, and problem solving. Just adding a little context. Even if society claims they’re an adult, functionally they’re not.
I was going to talk about how this could have been avoided with some popular reforms but you convinced me this little shit had it coming. In fact, we should speed up the process by hiring people with guns and send them into areas where people like these are likely to be. We can give these hired guns a license to kill anyone who makes them “afraid of their safety” and we’ll give them a uniform so you know you should respect their authority.
No offence, but it’s not like kids dying has ever forced Americans to rethink gun control. I don’t know why this would coerce anyone to reconsider. The reaction will almost certainly be what you see.
Yeah but we’ve gone so far beyond societal failure that these events are now normalized. Sure it’s a dead kid, one of hundreds this year alone. This one was at least killed by their own hand, as opposed to another kid. Since our society refuses to do anything about gun control or safety, we’ll see hundreds more shot kids before the end of this year.
You can either joke about it or collapse under the sheer horror of it all.
and both conservatives and liberals seem to love shitting on the other party, more than actually fucking educating people about this shit. Granted i’ve seen quite a few respectable people that do. I just wish it was more of a thing within the gun community, and inside of the gun control crowd as well.
Politics as per usual makes things stupider than they need to be.
Americans think the answer to kids dying from guns is more guns. To most of us, Saying they can’t keep a fully loaded gun in every room completely unattended is the same as kicking the door in to seize them.
Angle grinder discs can explode and easily hospitalize you in the blink of an eye, even if you do nothing wrong. This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be using angle grinders, this just means you should have a certain level of respect, and handling capability when operating these tools. Plus wear PPE, it’s super cheap health insurance. A blade getting lodged in your face shield will rattle the shit out of you. But it won’t rattle the shit out of your brains.
I think this is something that we lack with guns on a more broad context, for various reasons.
Likewise, a lot of roofing guys will use modified nail guns because retail nailguns are rather annoying to use, and bump nailing makes for incredibly fast work. Which makes everyone happy. However they can be dangerous, which is why most people, presumably a lot of recent roofers included, won’t actually use bump nailing. Granted nails aren’t as likely to be fatal, they’re still fuckin spooky. At the end of the day, it comes down to having a certain level of respect for tools, and the machines you work with.
It was a child. 17 year olds are not allowed to drink, smoke, be in porn, rent cars, and many more things because they do not have the mental capacity of an adult. Victim blaming a child does nothing for anyone but make you feel self righteous.
Unintentional injury is a leading cause of death among U.S. children and adolescents aged 0–17 years, and firearms are a leading injury method.
Securing firearms (e.g., locked, unloaded, and separate from ammunition) is protective against unintentional firearm injury deaths among children and adolescents, underscoring the importance of promoting secure firearm storage.
he pointed a gun at his head and pulled the trigger.
Seems like this is well past being a ‘gun safety’ issue. I’m not going to give a 17 year old a pass on driving into oncoming traffic just because they ‘do not have the mental capacity of an adult’. This was an exceptionally stupid teen. Tragic that their stupidity combined with access to modern technology ended their life but that’s what happened and I’m just glad his stupidity didn’t hurt anyone else.
Do you know that he didn’t take a gun safety course? For all we know, he could have had plenty of knowledge on how to safely handle a firearm and simply decided to ignore it for the sake of looking cool. The fact is that no amount of safety training can stop someone who decides to do something stupid.
I absolutely agree with your last point though. There should be extensive training in how to handle a firearm safely required before someone can buy a gun.
Thank you for your comment. I won’t do any speculation either way regarding this specific situation.
What is important is the messaging to parents and society at large of the importance of the safety measures that we both seem to agree on :) Blaming and laughing at the kid straight away in this situation detracts from that crucial message that gun safes and basic education for kids save lives.
I mean I was with you so far, a 17 year old can drive a car, so we agree that they’re capable of taking on significant risks to themselves and others, they’re not babies that need to be Molly-coddled. But if he had to take a course and pass a test before getting a gun this very well could have been avoided. Most countries have a gun safety course requirement and therefore much lower rates of this shit happening.
Unironically yes. Kids are dumb as shit but if we as a society insist on guns being around, the least we can do is reduce the harm by giving them the education they need to be around guns safely.
the least we can do is reduce the harm by giving them the education they need to be around guns safely.
I agree with that statement, but that dumbass would still have a hole in his head. Quality drivers education lowers collision rates, but reckless kids still kill in cars everyday.
I’m not here to debate what would have happened, I am just disappointed that the immediate reaction to a youth’s tragic death is guffawing.
I hate cars too and I think they shouldn’t be around either. But as long as they are I am going to insist that kids get drivers ed training and that that training is constantly improved upon. I am being quite consistent here.
It is the stereotypical hysterical Karen who will say anyone under 18yrs is “my baby, my child!”.
There is a huge huge huge difference between a 5 year old (an actual fucking child), and a 17 year old. One has gone all the way through puberty into young adulthood, significantly more brain development and experiences. A 17yr old is not a child.
We have something called language, which has words, with definitions. Fetus, infant, baby, toddler, child, preteen, adolescent, teenager, young adult, adult.
Changing the definition of child to any age under 18 just to virtue signal your agenda, is blatantly disingenuous.
A 17 yr old has plenty experience enough to know not to put a real gun to his head and pull the trigger. Huge huge huge difference if a 5yr old does it.
Agreed. We need to reform rap culture that suggests that guns are props to be waved around in TikToks and YouTube videos while ignoring all safety rules. We also need to reform absentee parenting culture across the board.
Depends on your definition of stupid. It’s a well-known fact that younger people often can’t understand future consequences - that’s why it’s so common for them to do risky shit.
I am apalled to see the comments here making light of the death of a child with their “win stupid prizes” schtick.
Instead of talking about access to gun safety education. Instead of reminding parents about the absolute necessity of gun lockers. Instead calling for gun reform so kids can’t get guns in the first place.
But no, carry on victim blaming, seems much more productive.
17 is not a child. 17 year olds can get legally married and have kids. 17 year olds can hold full time jobs. 17 year olds can be tried as adults for crimes.
And yeah, I’m sure as fuck going to blame him here. He’s not a victim! His loved ones are the victims. I’ve been 17 before. I remember my level of stupidity and the level of those around me. We were dumb as fuck. You know what we didn’t do? Point guns at our heads. I didn’t grow up with guns and had only shot a gun one time by the time I was 17, and I knew to never point a gun at my head.
The only time I’ve seen someone point a gun at their head in person was a 19 year old dude in college who was looking down the barrel of his friend’s gun checking to see if it was loaded. We immediately yelled at him to stop and then lectured him about how dumb it was. He refused to believe he was in any danger even after multiple people lectured him. We tried to give him gun training after the fact, but he didn’t believe us.
It’s not his age. It’s not that he didn’t get safe gun training. He’s just a dumbass.
17 is legally not classified as an adult, you can’t vote, you can’t drink, in some cases you can’t even legally consent to having sex.
Developmentally, half of 25, is 12.5 years old. 17 is just about 3/4’s of the way developed.
You can start driving at the age of 15/16, start working close to 14. None of these things define adulthood.
Biologically, a seventeen year old is still an adolescent who lacks fully formed frontal lobes. Frontal lobes are responsible, amongst other things, for impulse control, judgment, and problem solving. Just adding a little context. Even if society claims they’re an adult, functionally they’re not.
I was going to talk about how this could have been avoided with some popular reforms but you convinced me this little shit had it coming. In fact, we should speed up the process by hiring people with guns and send them into areas where people like these are likely to be. We can give these hired guns a license to kill anyone who makes them “afraid of their safety” and we’ll give them a uniform so you know you should respect their authority.
Note: Not American.
No offence, but it’s not like kids dying has ever forced Americans to rethink gun control. I don’t know why this would coerce anyone to reconsider. The reaction will almost certainly be what you see.
I mean you are definitely correct. The response to a kid dying still shouldn’t be joking about how dumb he was.
All kids are dumb; they’re kids. That’s the point. A society that lets kids get their hands on guns untrained has already failed.
Yeah but we’ve gone so far beyond societal failure that these events are now normalized. Sure it’s a dead kid, one of hundreds this year alone. This one was at least killed by their own hand, as opposed to another kid. Since our society refuses to do anything about gun control or safety, we’ll see hundreds more shot kids before the end of this year.
You can either joke about it or collapse under the sheer horror of it all.
And interestingly, there’s resources out there to train kids and adults on firearms.
and both conservatives and liberals seem to love shitting on the other party, more than actually fucking educating people about this shit. Granted i’ve seen quite a few respectable people that do. I just wish it was more of a thing within the gun community, and inside of the gun control crowd as well.
Politics as per usual makes things stupider than they need to be.
Americans think the answer to kids dying from guns is more guns. To most of us, Saying they can’t keep a fully loaded gun in every room completely unattended is the same as kicking the door in to seize them.
the way i think about it is like a power tool.
Angle grinder discs can explode and easily hospitalize you in the blink of an eye, even if you do nothing wrong. This doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be using angle grinders, this just means you should have a certain level of respect, and handling capability when operating these tools. Plus wear PPE, it’s super cheap health insurance. A blade getting lodged in your face shield will rattle the shit out of you. But it won’t rattle the shit out of your brains.
I think this is something that we lack with guns on a more broad context, for various reasons.
Likewise, a lot of roofing guys will use modified nail guns because retail nailguns are rather annoying to use, and bump nailing makes for incredibly fast work. Which makes everyone happy. However they can be dangerous, which is why most people, presumably a lot of recent roofers included, won’t actually use bump nailing. Granted nails aren’t as likely to be fatal, they’re still fuckin spooky. At the end of the day, it comes down to having a certain level of respect for tools, and the machines you work with.
No, let’s talk abou mental health instead.
Not instead but in addition, sure! I personally don’t see the relevance of this here but yes, mental health awareness is important
Unless this is a troll comment and you are just being snarky :( in which case leave me alone
You’re right either way. Too many people grab onto a single “this is the reason!” monologue and run with it.
Honestly as an American I’d love it we talked about both and perhaps actually did anything about either
A good guy with a gun could’ve stopped this -_-
Por que no los dos?
It was a child. 17 year olds are not allowed to drink, smoke, be in porn, rent cars, and many more things because they do not have the mental capacity of an adult. Victim blaming a child does nothing for anyone but make you feel self righteous.
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Seems like this is well past being a ‘gun safety’ issue. I’m not going to give a 17 year old a pass on driving into oncoming traffic just because they ‘do not have the mental capacity of an adult’. This was an exceptionally stupid teen. Tragic that their stupidity combined with access to modern technology ended their life but that’s what happened and I’m just glad his stupidity didn’t hurt anyone else.
Wrong, potentially because you are malinformed, but quite wrong.
This is absolutely a ‘gun safety’ issue, because any gun safety course will have treat every gun as if it’s loaded as one of the first principles.
The average 17 year old driving has had dozens of hours of training before being licensed. The same should apply to 17 year olds with guns at minimum.
Do you know that he didn’t take a gun safety course? For all we know, he could have had plenty of knowledge on how to safely handle a firearm and simply decided to ignore it for the sake of looking cool. The fact is that no amount of safety training can stop someone who decides to do something stupid.
I absolutely agree with your last point though. There should be extensive training in how to handle a firearm safely required before someone can buy a gun.
Thank you for your comment. I won’t do any speculation either way regarding this specific situation.
What is important is the messaging to parents and society at large of the importance of the safety measures that we both seem to agree on :) Blaming and laughing at the kid straight away in this situation detracts from that crucial message that gun safes and basic education for kids save lives.
Yeah man, if only he’d taken that course- he’d definitely have been a responsible gun owner ;)
I mean I was with you so far, a 17 year old can drive a car, so we agree that they’re capable of taking on significant risks to themselves and others, they’re not babies that need to be Molly-coddled. But if he had to take a course and pass a test before getting a gun this very well could have been avoided. Most countries have a gun safety course requirement and therefore much lower rates of this shit happening.
Unironically yes. Kids are dumb as shit but if we as a society insist on guns being around, the least we can do is reduce the harm by giving them the education they need to be around guns safely.
You snarked your way into being correct.
I agree with that statement, but that dumbass would still have a hole in his head. Quality drivers education lowers collision rates, but reckless kids still kill in cars everyday.
Objection, speculation.
I’m not here to debate what would have happened, I am just disappointed that the immediate reaction to a youth’s tragic death is guffawing.
I hate cars too and I think they shouldn’t be around either. But as long as they are I am going to insist that kids get drivers ed training and that that training is constantly improved upon. I am being quite consistent here.
It is not a “child”, you imbecile.
It is the stereotypical hysterical Karen who will say anyone under 18yrs is “my baby, my child!”.
There is a huge huge huge difference between a 5 year old (an actual fucking child), and a 17 year old. One has gone all the way through puberty into young adulthood, significantly more brain development and experiences. A 17yr old is not a child.
We have something called language, which has words, with definitions. Fetus, infant, baby, toddler, child, preteen, adolescent, teenager, young adult, adult.
Changing the definition of child to any age under 18 just to virtue signal your agenda, is blatantly disingenuous.
A 17 yr old has plenty experience enough to know not to put a real gun to his head and pull the trigger. Huge huge huge difference if a 5yr old does it.
17 is not a child.
Agreed. We need to reform rap culture that suggests that guns are props to be waved around in TikToks and YouTube videos while ignoring all safety rules. We also need to reform absentee parenting culture across the board.
good solution to this problem: post this video on the internet.
People will be a lot less inclined to do this shit once they get blind sided by this video lmao.
This is starting to look like reddit. No, kids are not fucking stupid.
Ignorant and naive are better words. But the whole situation that led to this boy’s death is definitely stupid.
Video totally proves u wrong. I mean c’mon this kid is dumb af
Depends on your definition of stupid. It’s a well-known fact that younger people often can’t understand future consequences - that’s why it’s so common for them to do risky shit.