And of course they had to shoehorn some AI bullshit in it
(why I installed this driver: because i can remap the two extra buttons as copy/paste)
+1 for using space sniffer. It’s the best of such apps I’ve found. Unfortunately doesn’t seem to get updated any more.
Windirstat or kdirstat for the win
Windirstat crew represent
Move to WizTree. Thank me later
Windirstat is slow. For my Linux homies we use Qdirstat. 8tb full picture of each filesize, faster than I can blink
Wiztree is much faster
Mmm, I’ve migrated from Windows now, but it would have interested me a year ago!
Amateur! ncdu! 😂
GNOME Disk Usage Analyzer
I can’t stand the look of Windirstat lol.
I use explorer++ now because it can show subdir sizes. Unfortunately performance suffers quite a bit because of no caching and unsmart file system lol. Maybe linux has this basic and essential feature in it’s file explorer.
WizTree my beloved
Anyone have other brand suggestions?
No, unfortunately. Logitech mice are the best performing in quality, battery life, and longevity at their price range. I’ve tried many other mice in the budget range, and they all fail quickly, eat batteries, or perform poorly in comparison.
I bought a couple Logitech mice a few years ago and I gotta say, they weren’t the best. The material they are made out of melts slowly over time. I use these mice and get sticky shit on my fingers. It’s not food or anything I’m doing. I’ve scrubbed them with rubbing alcohol and no matter what a little bit of sticky stuff is always coming off. So the finish on them isn’t great, at best. Never had other mice do this.
I had one that had rubberized sides that slowly did that over the years. After a decade? of daily use it finally started giving up. Most non-logi non-OEM mice I’ve used lasted months at best.
You described exactly my issue but it took under 5 years. Maybe 3? I’ve used $10 much much longer with only occasional hiccups like resolution issues on certain mousepads
I’ve been using super cheap 10 € Logitech mice since the dawn of time and I’ve never experienced that. What are you doing with your mouse?
It is either a type of rubberized material degrading or one piece of plastic in the group. Being a home-labber/gamer I have gone through a couple hundred mice easily. In addition to Logitech, I’ve had lots of stock MS/Dell/HP and even Sun mice. A few can get this condition with the materials. Often it will be a rubberized component, but sometimes it is a plastic part. Like the mouse wheel is a more common part that gets sticky, but the rest of the mouse is okay. Nothing happened other than it sat around for a long time. It could be that the last user had grubby fingers stained orange from cheetos whilst using that mouse and that lent somehow to the degradation. Hard to say. Plastic does degrade for sure and maybe our grubby mitts help?
I knew someone would blame me. Yeah the cheap ones are normal plastic and would never disintegrate. Kind of, again, like the other 28 mice I’ve used in my life. The expensive Logitech mice I bought are a rubberized plastic meant for comfort but they aren’t durable. Literally did nothing wrong or different but that sticky shit is the pits, so I won’t be buying anymore $180 mice. I hadn’t before these either.
My recommendation is the G305. Yes, a gaming mouse. But they’re both cheap and have an insanely good polling rate, so the mouse is smooooooth. Also, no rubberized nonsense to degrade.
I’ve been using a Redragon M690 Pro as my home daily driver, and I retired my Razer Basilisk x Hyperspeed to my office, although the latter started having issues with middle clicking. The 690 is nice so far though. I don’t play any twitch shooters, more of a slow burn style, so ymmv.
I also like my Redragon mouse, a “Griffin M602A-RGB”. I picked it entirely because (a) the shape fits my hand well, with well-sculpted indentations for my thumb, ring, and pinky fingers, and (b) it’s cheap, but not so cheap it isn’t still decent.
Same actually. I got some nice RGB customization, it was comfy, had a right handed thumb rest, and the price was right. Only thing it didn’t have like the Basilisk was BT functionality, which in my use case wasn’t a deal breaker. Software wasn’t bloated either.
wtf AI in your mouse driver?
Oh yeah, totally not logging your every mouse movement, no sir, not at all!
It’s training itself to pass those mouse based “I’m human” checks that some sites use.
That’s hilarious. But might actually not be a joke.
I love this program by the way!!!
It doesn’t contribute at all to the conversation but BOOOOOOO to them for that nonsense.
That “logi” rebrand really shows how shit they’ve gotten.
Logitech Gaming Software was the last good thing they made.
Driver for you mouse? What are you on? MSDOS?
You need it to remap some of the buttons on the side. I have the same garbage just for this purpose.
Please don’t be Logitech, please don’t be Logitech…
Damnit.
Of Course it’s Logitech. Their software has been shit for ages.
I do like the hardware tho and mine works just fine on linux without their garbage software. Got one of those ergo trackball mice and a G502 for some gaming.
We live in the age of bloated software.
The Internet is so bloated because every page is bursting with telemetry and spa framework bullshit that over engineers a fucking music recital site.
Use the offline installer, which is for offline and airgapped machines. It turns off the AI prompt builder as well as all the telemetry shite:
https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/11570501236119-Logitech-Options-offline-installer
AI prompt builder? What? It’s a fucking mouse???
It is repulsive to me in its entirety but apparently the vibe coders dig it.
“Vibe coders” read as “fucking idiots”
Why should that be bundled with peripherals… doesn’t seem to be a good “synergy”.
Logitech, the data company?!?!
But it has AI? If your mouse doesn’t have AI, you’re living in the post
for this?
Give me the past or give me death
My first mouse driver was smaller than the picture you attached to this post
i wonder if a open source driver alternative exists.
Piper is less than 2MB, and allows reconfiguring Logitech mouse buttons. It’s available in Debian and Ubuntu package managers.
Screenshot:
I had to use Piper to get exotic features like having mouse 6, 7, 8 buttons function as mouse 6, 7, 8, rather than the default of alt-tab and ctrl-v.
and if you install it via fatpak its almost 1GB
I think he meant as in “if this is the first ever GTK application you install via flatpak”. The “Installed Size” on Flathub only indicates the amount of storage the program itself will take up and doesn’t take into account the libraries it will install alongside it (installing piper via flatpak takes up 400MB on my device).
I still think it is really negligible because people usually don’t install applications that use such a variety of different graphical frameworks, and also because modern PC disk capacities are so absurdly big compared to past ones. I only have a 256GB drive and have never faced any issues regarding how much storage flatpak apps use.
I have flatpaks installed but not org.gnome.* note not first gtk app the first that require gnome runtimes. Then once you have a bunch of apps you’ll end up with different versions needing different runtimes which will need constant updates of the same 1G. Given modern connectivity and storage it isn’t that burdensome in truth but neither is the Windows example.
It’s just humorous to crow over one and ignore the other.
This is not a driver. The README itself says:
Piper is merely a graphical frontend to the ratbagd DBus daemon
ratbagd itself, BTW, is also not a driver.
The unofficial open source license is called logiops, and according to the Debian site most of its builds are also under 2MB (and the two builds that aren’t are only slightly bigger)
There is also RatSlap, which I can’t find information on how big it is (and I’m not going to bother installing it just to find out)
I never thought to look for something like this, but it looks fantastic so i’m going to try it. Thanks!
would be cool if it also worked on Windows and Macos
Does it still allow macros? I have a couple of 502s and my older one has fallen victim to the common problem of rhe switch getting bouncey so one click becomes multiple. Supposedly macros can fix this.
This is a physical defect. Macros make one key press effect one or more action button or key press. For instance if a common operation involves pressing a b and c in sequence you can make one button on your mouse actuate that sequence.
You can’t bind a macro to left click because then you can’t left click anymore. Even if you bound double clicking to single click (if this is even possible) it would mean every time it single click you would effect nothing which is equally if not more broken.
You need to either take your mouse apart and fix it or throw it in the trash.
Yes, it is a physical defect but it is common enough that people have been able to work around it with macros.
It’s been a while since I tried to look into this or fix it, but a quick search shows what I think was a possible solution. (Might not be, I’m just trying to be explanatory of what I mean by a macro fixing a double click problem.) https://techenclave.com/t/mouse-double-click-issue-solution-by-coding/269878
Its broken fix or toss this solution isn’t applicable directly. Also seems like it would be hard to intentionally double click and add latency to single clicks
If your mouse drivers allow setting the debounce timer, you can set it higher so that your system doesn’t allow the bouncing to register.
I’m never buying another Logitech device again because that problem that happened with my G7 back in the 00s still happened with my G900 in the 20s.
With my G7, I’d open it up when it started happening, and open up the switch to re-bend the metal piece to give it some spring back. Kept doing this until one day the plastic button that presses down on that metal part fell on carpet and was gone forever.
With my G900, I said fuck it and just bought some better mouse button switches and replaced the left mouse button. Was actually kinda glad I needed to because the battery had become a danger pillow so I replaced that, too.
But with the button issue existing for so long and being fixed by a part that cost a trivial amount compared to what I paid in the first place, you can’t convince me that Logitech isn’t deliberately using switches that fail quickly to drive up demand for mice.
The driver for your mouse occupies a few kilobytes. The shitty app and AI garbage bloatware occupies the rest.
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Maybe a Docker or two, perhaps a VM in the cloud. Is that still hip with the kids?
All the cool kids are running kubernetes
The actual driver for an HID USB device, even on WIndows, is still just a few KB.
Worse, the default driver for HID devices like mice, keyboards, joysticks, gamepads and so on is part of Windows since Windows 7 and all you had to do was give it an INF file that really just associated USB hardware devices that sent the PC a specific identifier (made up of a VID and a PID value) on USB protocol initialization, with that built-in driver - and that file is maybe 100 bytes. Even better, that INF file is not even needed anymore since Windows 10.
A driver for a mouse (pretty much the simplest Human Interface Device there is) that in addition to the normal mouse thing also supports setting the RGB color of some lights is stupidly simple because the needed functionality is already in the protocol.
Remember, modern digital electronics still uses really tiny processors sometimes with less than 32KB flash memory (and way less than that in RAM) only they’re microcontrollers rather than microprocessors now, hence the protocols are designed so that they can be handled by processing hardware with little memory (after all, many USB Hosts aren’t PCs but instead are things like USB HUDs which have microcontrollers not microprocessors)
I have no doubt in my mind whatsoever that almost the entirety of that 1GB is bloatware.
I have a Logitech mouse. I just used a 3rd party app to remap.
Better mouse for Mac, but looks like you’re on Linux? There’s bound to be something
I have several Logitech peripherals. Why in the fuck does it need AI?!?!
To communicate with the 5th version of software they have somehow released between the time the product was created and you bought it.
Because CEOs.
I mean, this was their idea last year…
I feel like “AI Mouse” is right up their alley.
