And of course they had to shoehorn some AI bullshit in it
(why I installed this driver: because i can remap the two extra buttons as copy/paste)
Actual driver code: about 500KB. If that.
500KB used to be the entire OS, application, drivers, and user data. Oh well.
They didn’t have mice that far back.
The original Macintosh had 128k of ram.
RAM is active. It doesn’t hold the entire OS when in use even now.
The entire MacOS including finder and the tools was 216KB on the 400KB floppy.
um wut
Saving this to share at work. What an abomination that, I am sorry you have to deal with it
,
X mouse button control
It can’t detect some of the fancier buttons and gestures but it can often pickup buttons 4 and 5 for remapping, and it does chording and long press options to give you multiple functions without any AI bullshit.
I have several Logitech peripherals. Why in the fuck does it need AI?!?!
I mean, this was their idea last year…
I feel like “AI Mouse” is right up their alley.
To communicate with the 5th version of software they have somehow released between the time the product was created and you bought it.
Because CEOs.
We live in the age of bloated software.
The Internet is so bloated because every page is bursting with telemetry and spa framework bullshit that over engineers a fucking music recital site.
i wonder if a open source driver alternative exists.
Piper is less than 2MB, and allows reconfiguring Logitech mouse buttons. It’s available in Debian and Ubuntu package managers.
Screenshot:
I had to use Piper to get exotic features like having mouse 6, 7, 8 buttons function as mouse 6, 7, 8, rather than the default of alt-tab and ctrl-v.
This is not a driver. The README itself says:
Piper is merely a graphical frontend to the ratbagd DBus daemon
ratbagd itself, BTW, is also not a driver.
The unofficial open source license is called logiops, and according to the Debian site most of its builds are also under 2MB (and the two builds that aren’t are only slightly bigger)
There is also RatSlap, which I can’t find information on how big it is (and I’m not going to bother installing it just to find out)
I never thought to look for something like this, but it looks fantastic so i’m going to try it. Thanks!
and if you install it via fatpak its almost 1GB
I think he meant as in “if this is the first ever GTK application you install via flatpak”. The “Installed Size” on Flathub only indicates the amount of storage the program itself will take up and doesn’t take into account the libraries it will install alongside it (installing piper via flatpak takes up 400MB on my device).
I still think it is really negligible because people usually don’t install applications that use such a variety of different graphical frameworks, and also because modern PC disk capacities are so absurdly big compared to past ones. I only have a 256GB drive and have never faced any issues regarding how much storage flatpak apps use.
I have flatpaks installed but not org.gnome.* note not first gtk app the first that require gnome runtimes. Then once you have a bunch of apps you’ll end up with different versions needing different runtimes which will need constant updates of the same 1G. Given modern connectivity and storage it isn’t that burdensome in truth but neither is the Windows example.
It’s just humorous to crow over one and ignore the other.
Does it still allow macros? I have a couple of 502s and my older one has fallen victim to the common problem of rhe switch getting bouncey so one click becomes multiple. Supposedly macros can fix this.
I’m never buying another Logitech device again because that problem that happened with my G7 back in the 00s still happened with my G900 in the 20s.
With my G7, I’d open it up when it started happening, and open up the switch to re-bend the metal piece to give it some spring back. Kept doing this until one day the plastic button that presses down on that metal part fell on carpet and was gone forever.
With my G900, I said fuck it and just bought some better mouse button switches and replaced the left mouse button. Was actually kinda glad I needed to because the battery had become a danger pillow so I replaced that, too.
But with the button issue existing for so long and being fixed by a part that cost a trivial amount compared to what I paid in the first place, you can’t convince me that Logitech isn’t deliberately using switches that fail quickly to drive up demand for mice.
If your mouse drivers allow setting the debounce timer, you can set it higher so that your system doesn’t allow the bouncing to register.
This is a physical defect. Macros make one key press effect one or more action button or key press. For instance if a common operation involves pressing a b and c in sequence you can make one button on your mouse actuate that sequence.
You can’t bind a macro to left click because then you can’t left click anymore. Even if you bound double clicking to single click (if this is even possible) it would mean every time it single click you would effect nothing which is equally if not more broken.
You need to either take your mouse apart and fix it or throw it in the trash.
Yes, it is a physical defect but it is common enough that people have been able to work around it with macros.
It’s been a while since I tried to look into this or fix it, but a quick search shows what I think was a possible solution. (Might not be, I’m just trying to be explanatory of what I mean by a macro fixing a double click problem.) https://techenclave.com/t/mouse-double-click-issue-solution-by-coding/269878
Its broken fix or toss this solution isn’t applicable directly. Also seems like it would be hard to intentionally double click and add latency to single clicks
would be cool if it also worked on Windows and Macos
+1 for using space sniffer. It’s the best of such apps I’ve found. Unfortunately doesn’t seem to get updated any more.
WizTree my beloved
Windirstat or kdirstat for the win
Windirstat crew represent
Move to WizTree. Thank me later
Windirstat is slow. For my Linux homies we use Qdirstat. 8tb full picture of each filesize, faster than I can blink
GNOME Disk Usage Analyzer
Amateur! ncdu! 😂
I can’t stand the look of Windirstat lol.
I use explorer++ now because it can show subdir sizes. Unfortunately performance suffers quite a bit because of no caching and unsmart file system lol. Maybe linux has this basic and essential feature in it’s file explorer.
Wiztree is much faster
Mmm, I’ve migrated from Windows now, but it would have interested me a year ago!
Don’t look up how much space Nvidia drivers take then.
Nvidia drivers at least do something that are fairly complex and heavy, and they’re necessary. Whereas this thing is just some comically overdeveloped and extremely annoying piece of bloatware from Logitech to remap a bunch of buttons.
That’s not the driver but some bundled configuration & update bloatware.
Back in my days, you had to overwrite some .exe with a “0” to disable Nvidia from spying on you. The overwrite, because they would just download it again if you deleted the .exe.
I remember installing a fresh PC with win98. During installation, I disabled some windows bloatware (Imagine! You actually could do this!), and ended up with an unresponsive, non-windows app blocking the system. I killed that app and removed it from the system. Keep in mind that at this point, no network connection was set up, nor did I install any driver or program yet, this was straight from the windows install medium.
After reboot, the app was back, and again blocking the system.
Wiping the harddisk and starting installation over did not help either.
Turned out this was some bloatware installed by the BIOS whenever it detected at boot that there was a) a Windows installation that was b) “missing” their “register your PC with us” app. This needed some Windows bloatware to work, and thus failed on this machine.
This was the only time I angrily screamed at a hotline worker.
We detected you moved your mouse. Downloading 1GB of AI telemetry and 3GB of user experience optimizations…
Fuck electron, fuck “web first” apps, fuck the “all application in the future will be websites” mentality.
The sad reality of the end of Windows dominance.
Proton proves that you don’t need to run on a web browser for cross platform compatibility. Turing-complete platforms are equivalent in their capabilities, it’s just a matter of adding a translation layer that doesn’t need to be as heavy as a browser DOM (at least for going between windows and Linux on x64).
I’m not 100% convinced that an emulation layer isn’t as heavy as a browser.
We had things like Java and QT, and none of it really took off. Apple is probably to blame here as well, for wanting everything to be native to iOS and ignoring the reality that developers don’t want to make five different versions of their software.
I get what you are saying and this is definitely a factor but I think the bigger influencer was mobile adoption. As soon as smartphones took off it was inevitable that we would see a surge in cross platform frameworks/libraries.
The fact we tackled this problem by shifting everything to web apps was also inevitable given the more simplistic deployment requirements and maintenance costs of a website vs native application.
I feel like I am shouting to the void when I talk about performance of modern software being unbelievably bad.
Yeah, I can see how it ended up like that, and it would at least be nice if Windows accepted that and had one copy of the browser rather than every app installing it’s own just in case of breaking changes.
And it would also be really nice if it only clogged the system for when it needs to show a UI, but I’ve got a ton of background processes that are also running a browser just in case today is the day that I finally need to see them. Just looking down task manager now at some suspect large processes, I can see a Razer “mouse driver”, Epic, Discord, Steam, Nvidia, Oculus, NordVPN, Signal…
None of these things need to be running a browser while I’m not looking at them.
But hey, lets throw another 32GB of RAM in there, and another dozen cores, and maybe we can achieve the dream of running each of them all in their own fucking operating system as well…
Yeah and unfortunately it’s going to get worse when AI agents are also always running in the background (which is inevitable, let’s be honest).
Man, they really developed the most unfun layout system and then tried to force it to everyone
The mouse driver used with the Commodore 64’s GEOS operating system uses 3 blocks on disk, less than a kilobyte.
That driver was using 0.5% of system resources! I thought it would be worse when I saw “259 blocks free”, but overall that’s pretty good.
But did it support RGB?
Didn’t think so, checkmate!
A lot of fancy early RGB mouse came with a companion app that needed 10MB at most, and that was ridiculed.
Most of the reason why the Logitech driver is so gargantuan is a separate Chromium browser instance, because someone thought that apps should be all websites first, which lead to most GUI libraries being developed for javascript and most devs being taught to be web developers.
VSCode is also electron with a 100mb download size and 400mb install size. I think it has 1000x more functionality than some shit Logitech UI where you change LED colors. This sounds more like incompetence on the Logitech team than a problem with electron itself.
It’s not like traditional methods of packing apps are without problems. If I want to install the qbittorrent flatpak on Ubuntu, it pulls in >1gb of KDE depenencies, so I really don’t see how that’s better than these dreaded electron apps.
Or you can use qbittorrent-nox which is a server-only package of qbittorrent and just interact with it via its the web interface from your favorite browser.
Mind you, I only know this by chance because I explicitly wanted to run qbittorrent as a service on an always on machine which is not supposed to be used with keyboard and mouse.
The 1gb of KDE dependencies are one time only, but there’s also the option of just using OpenGL + bare x11 or Wayland for GUI. If my game engine could pull it off, if IMGUI apps could pull it off, then everyone could pull it off, we just need a UI framework not ddependent on either GTK or qt.
“One time only”? In theory yes, in practice I don’t have anything else that needs those KDE dependencies. When I remove qbittorrent I can safely remove them. This is just a reality check that desktop GUI frameworks and package management are really not much better than Electron/html as lots of comments in this thread seem to suggest.
That is your use case, that relative to your individual usage only one application uses the framework. In that very specific scenario, sure. However with electron it’s forced to be that way for every single application no matter what your scenario is.
If electron packaged as a dependency, then it would be similar. But it’s always forcibly bundled.
Ok, I will just try to install more KDE apps so I can make use of that great dependency so I can join the Electron hating circle jerk next time. But from where I stand now, Electron apps are just like any appimage or snap.
Baaack in my day we got a driver for our mouse on a single DD floppy…
It wasn’t too long ago that a USB mouse would store the divers on the mouse.
You’re thinking of the Titan submersible accident, I think. But they ended up stored on a Logitech controller, not a mouse.
That was actually never the case. The default USB mouse driver comes with the OS. And also today any modern mouse will work just fine with the default USB mouse driver in the OS.
What this abomination is is a kind of extended driver that allows the user to e.g. remap buttons on the mouse or control RGB lights. You know, anything but the actual basic functionality of the mouse.
Input Remapper on linux can get the job done without the need for this junk. I’ve used it for this exact purpose before.
It mostly can get the job done. Mice that have more then just mouse 4/5 tend to be entirely fucked and good luck.
The driver:
There’s something inside you
It’s hard to explain
They’re talking about you, boy
But you’re still the same
