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You know, maybe Vimes had a point.
Legally? Yes. Physically? No.
Y’all this one is simple.
Legally, yes.
Physically (for supernatural reasons), no.
This is the answer I choose to accept.
“Can I enter your home to arrest you?”
“I don’t know officer squints eyes …can you?”
I think the vampire physically could enter because the warrant is basically allowing them to enter a space they otherwise would need express permission from the person that dwells there. I haven’t known a cop otherwise to serve the warrant and then just stand awkwardly waiting for permission to enter afterwards. If we are to believe that vampires exist in this context and follow “traditional” rules, you best believe a vampire could be in any given profession, especially because night work is more prevalent than ever. There would certainly be a vampire cop who works at night and takes advantage of the way warrants work.
I think hearth magic doesn’t work that way. When you live somewhere and set up a presence, it becomes your domain. A warrant doesn’t take that away from you. You need permission to travel safely into someone’s domain.
Vampires are older than property law, I think the power that keeps them out comes from physically dwelling in the place. As long as they’re still living there, regardless of what a judge decided, it’s their home as far as a vampire is concerned. Otherwise they could just ask each other for permission to enter someone else’s house. I’m trying to remember if this came up in Buffy…
Police don’t typically execute search warrants alone. If I knew that specific policeman was a vampire I would address his partner(s) individually and invite them in, but I would not invite the vampire. Explaining to them why he was staying outside would be his problem.
In this same vein, if a vamp-cop’s partner entered the home, then invited the vamp-cop in, would the vamp-cop be able to enter then?
Only the people living there can invite a vampire in.
But what if I trust the vampire cop more than the cop? At least the vampire cop admits he’s a bloodsucker.
your call
similar question.
do vampires need visas to enter a country?
can they cross borders freely?
if you surround the earth in a megastructure shaped like a house do all vampires on earth instantly die?
Well by that logic, if you found a vampire’s lair /tomb while they slept, and then three a tent over it, wouldn’t that cause them to die?
I’m def of the opinion its all about entering a building (not necessarily about being in one).
I doubt that this would affect vampires at all. The rule is that they can’t enter your house without being invited, not that they have to move if you build a house around them.
I think it’s the Dresden Files mythology? But I always liked the premise that it’s not the house that prevents them. It’s the magic of a home. They could walk into some house a squatter is living in for a few days with no issues, but a home where people truly live make it their own, have families, memories…that’s what gives the threshold power.
IIRC, even in that universe, a vampire can force it’s way in, but the threshold strips it of most of its power if not invited.
It would be such a Dresden type loophole to use that with the cliche of “home is wherever you are”, and have someone believe that strongly enough to make the other person a living vampire repellent.
Upon further consideration and two drinks, I deand Hollywood use this as the twist ending to give Blade the love interest they’re going to force in no matter what in the reboot.
Then in the sequel he sells out and gets a fancy new
BatcaveCrypt(?) funeded by some asshole who turns out to be the villain.And Blade’s conviction falters and it breaks her protection just long enough to get her tragically killed, setting up therevenge plot for the third movie.
God wqhy am I not a screenwriter. It’s not good, but it would sell.
Okay so then in Blade 3 its bsically Blade goign John Wick on some vampires until he finds out the vamp who killed his love is now part of a cult tying to smmon a demon.Then at the climax of the movie he has to choose betoween getting his revenge and stopping the summoning. and Blade is too driven by fury and he goes for revenge. So cliffhanger ending, the demon pops out of a portal. folloed by…
JOHN CONSTANTINE!
THAT’S RIGHT BIGHTCHES, BLADE 4 IS A BACKDOOR MARVEL/DC CROSSOVER!
wait
is property lines the same as a house?
can you sublet a room on your house and hide there?
can you surround a vampire with houses and he cannot escape?
Hey, I’m an amateur vampirologist. Feel free to tell me to go F myself if you disagree, but here are my thoughts.
In most media I’ve seen it’s not the property line, it’s specifically the house.
Subletting leads to an interesting conundrum that I’ll have to explore more but on its face I think it checks out. I also think it’s very silly and would love to see a work that explored this.
As I understand it, you’d have to build them pretty close together so it couldn’t escape, especially if it can turn into mist or fly, but theoretically I think that would work too if you could build fast enough.
i won’t tell you to fuck yourselves, I’ll do it myself …
next questions
a cave can be a house, can a vampire enter a uninhabited cave, but if next day someone moves in, will the vampire be unable to enter?
if a vampire inherits a house, no one formally invited him in, could he enter, as he is the legal owner and therefore only need his invitation?
do tents count as housing? what about this:
could you wear a tent like that and vampires would be unable to bite you?
Imagine a vampire getting frustrated with a realtor because this is the fourth time they’ve arrived at a house they’re interested in to do a walkthrough but the owners aren’t home and the realtor, as someone who doesn’t have ties to the memories created in that home, can’t invite him in.
This also has fascinating implications for house flippers. If you only live there while working on it, have you not amassed enough “home power” to keep vampires out? Does the power of your previous home follow you to a new address if it’s mostly the same decor?
We could then use vampires to determine who owns a house, if a house is abandoned for a while and there are squatters.
the squaters and legal owner invite vampires in, if the legal owner vampire cant, he looses the right to the house, if the squatter’s vamp cant get in, they get evicted.
could you wear a tent like that and vampires would be unable to bite you?
I feel like they can’t enter your house, as in get their entire body over the threshold. But there’s no magical forcefield over the doorway, so if you were standing within arms reach they could grab you. The tent thing is kind of a moot point though, as there’s nothing preventing them from attacking a domicile, so they could just tear it or even just poke you with a pointed stick.
does that mean that a vampire doesn’t need permission to enter a house if he rents a bulldozer?
I don’t see why not. Otherwise they wouldn’t be able to bomb a structure either.
But wouldn’t someone have to be living in the houses? I feel like empty buildings wouldn’t work.
At it’s core a house is an inhabited building. I think an occupied outhouse might work even, if you stuck a much of them together with the vampire in the middle. I’m envisioning like a 3x3 porta potty cube with a vampire in the center one.
But yeah I think there would have to at least be a person in each one
I think the spell is based around trust, the vampire has to convince you to trust them enough (either through charm or trickery) to invite them into your private living space. I think an outhouse would work since there’s a major expectation of privacy there.
I think a warrant would help the vampire convince people to trust them (a judge trusted them to execute their court order) but probably wouldn’t be enough on it’s own. Because it’s not about convincing someone else to say it’s ok to enter your home, they have to convince you to give them permission. But the vampire could say “I have been ordered by the court to search your house, may I come in?” They’d have to wait until you’ve read the warrant, maybe call your lawyer, and your lawyer would tell you that you have to let them in. Then you’d likely give permission to the vampire to enter your house because your lawyer told you to. Because lawyers are just another kind of blood sucker, aren’t they?
I 100% agree, the warrant alone wouldn’t be enough
I wonder how this would interact with, say, Manhattan’s Eruv—a wire used by some Jews to demark a private space.
Jews Invent Eruv traditions to be safe from vampires.
Depends on the fictional mythology. For instance the show Tuee Blood says it only applies to homes owned by a human, not businesses and such. That show has so many plot holes… But that idea they almost stick to. So I would say if the entire country was owned by 1 person and they lived there and had no businesses in it, sure.
Oh god, I blame Nosferatu for most of the terrible vampire tropes.
This is important.
No. The vampire is bound by a supernatural barrier not even the likes of Dracula can defy. Otherwise Dracula would be a judge to issue warrants for his fellow vampire officers.
I actually think you’ve just described the current political climate in the US.
No a vampire requires permission from some1 inside the house it could be any1 in the house not just the owner. A warrent give legal permission to enter but its from outside the house thus making it useless for a vampire to enter with alone.
[citation needed]
Can confirm; am vampire
So if I’m walking towards my house after giving one a ride I can’t tell her to come on in?
Can also confirm, killed vampire last week. Tree.
Can confirm, no warrent carrying vampires have gotten into my house without permission from someone inside.
So what I’m gathering here is that you do indeed have vampires inside
Nope, absolutely no vampires here, definitely none at all, no siree. No vmpires in this house.
/blinks franticly at the camera
So you need a non-vampire judge to enter the house and produce the warrant from inside, got it!
but jesus is everywhere
If I’m outside the house and pulling weeds and a vampire walks up and I told them to come on in and motion them in the house first can they go in?
Why would they need to, are you anemic and lacking in blood? 🧛♂️
Vampires can steal your valuables too! You don’t know!
If the owner of a house dies, can’t the vampire enter then, bc it’s no longer a “home” or whatever?
What is a pwrson? What if the vampire git a comouter program to intrude every system it could and make every speaker it got access to invite them in?
Kicks down the door with his non-vampire partner who enters first … non-vampire steps inside the building and tells his vampire friend to come in
I see you too have played in a World of Darkness game. 😜
We are all playing in a World of Darkness game on this glorious day.
Ravnos or Brujah, fang?
A job doesn’t change or define what you are. A vampire would not be able to enter.
Yes, you agreed to the Terms of Service (aka Social Contract). For people in the USA, that includes the 4th amendment, which explicitly allows law enforcement (living or semi-living) to enter with a warrant. Therefore you have granted permission to enter.
If they don’t have a warrant, or if they messed up the paperwork somehow, then they burst into flame.
Permission isn’t an invitation. They need to be invited in, not have permission to enter.
Can a vampire not break and enter? Would an invitation work if they were out of town and needed the vampire to cat sit for a weekend? Does you being in the house have an effect on the invitation or it deed based? How are renters handled? So many questions!
If you’re like me, you’re frustrated with vampire law. Here at Vampire Law, we help to keep your invitations clear and any misunderstandings cleared up.
Express, verbal consent if there is a person in the house. No one in the house = no need to grant permission.
I don’t know about that. So, if they ask, “can I come in?” and you say, “Yes.” then they still can’t come in?
But if you’re born in the USA, you didn’t agree to any ToS it was forced upon you at birth. Never chose to accept/agree to them, but obligated to follow them or face punishment.
A contract signed under duress is invalid.
If you’ve voted, you’ve essentially agreed to the ToS
Participated in democracy? Devoured by vampires, lmao
A fitting end
While birth is certainly a state of duress for everyone involved, the term would have extreme difficulty in just about any court (glances at the current state of US judicial system uh. mostly.) — though I get where you’re coming from and don’t entirely disagree.
What a world it would be if those cosplaying porklets burst into flames simply by acting outside the Rules As Written. 🤩🥓🔥🤣 ACAB.
That would be pretty good.
What if im an illegalist who doesnt pay taxes and reinforces my home’s exterior?
I am not a vampire lawyer, but vampire courts do tend to side with the vampire when these types of questions come up after the fact.
Courts are just cosplayers. Probably not even real vampires.
The protection is usually framed under the natural right to be safe at home, it has nothing to do with legal entitlements. i.e. someone considering a dwelling home makes it safe, not an arbitrary paper.
natural right to be safe at home
So nobody who lives under a state is protected?
that depends on the setting you’re writing.
I think it would be more interesting to instead say yes or no, and then explain why it’s that way in your setting.
if yes, perhaps the law is magic in its own right, or perhaps the state is ordained by god. If the vampire is a protagonist, then perhaps the story might be interestes in exploring the necessity of due process and the consequences of not doing that.
If no, perhaps it is because the police are a corrupt institution lacking support of any higher supernatural power. Our vampire cop might feel forced to use increasing sinister methods of gaining entry to suspects homes.
The answer could even be different depending on location, and showing the difference could be very interesting.
he could enter but he wouldn’t without permission as his vampyrical torment exists deeper than his protect and sever police man gentle nudges.
A… Men… Let’s start with grammar.
Syntax*
syntax is part of grammar and refers to word order. a man/men refers to numerical agreement. both are grammar, but this is not about syntax.
