• fleebleneeble@reddthat.com
    7·
    6 hours ago

    I think the vampire physically could enter because the warrant is basically allowing them to enter a space they otherwise would need express permission from the person that dwells there. I haven’t known a cop otherwise to serve the warrant and then just stand awkwardly waiting for permission to enter afterwards. If we are to believe that vampires exist in this context and follow “traditional” rules, you best believe a vampire could be in any given profession, especially because night work is more prevalent than ever. There would certainly be a vampire cop who works at night and takes advantage of the way warrants work.

    • PapaStevesy@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 hours ago

      Vampires are older than property law, I think the power that keeps them out comes from physically dwelling in the place. As long as they’re still living there, regardless of what a judge decided, it’s their home as far as a vampire is concerned. Otherwise they could just ask each other for permission to enter someone else’s house. I’m trying to remember if this came up in Buffy…

  • reev@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    211·
    8 hours ago

    Y’all this one is simple.

    Legally, yes.

    Physically (for supernatural reasons), no.

  • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    7 hours ago

    Police don’t typically execute search warrants alone. If I knew that specific policeman was a vampire I would address his partner(s) individually and invite them in, but I would not invite the vampire. Explaining to them why he was staying outside would be his problem.

    • Bappity@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      9 hours ago

      if you surround the earth in a megastructure shaped like a house do all vampires on earth instantly die?

      • DahGangalang@infosec.pub
        3·
        4 hours ago

        Well by that logic, if you found a vampire’s lair /tomb while they slept, and then three a tent over it, wouldn’t that cause them to die?

        I’m def of the opinion its all about entering a building (not necessarily about being in one).

      • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        7 hours ago

        I doubt that this would affect vampires at all. The rule is that they can’t enter your house without being invited, not that they have to move if you build a house around them.

      • zell565@lemmus.orgEnglish
        7·
        7 hours ago

        I think it’s the Dresden Files mythology? But I always liked the premise that it’s not the house that prevents them. It’s the magic of a home. They could walk into some house a squatter is living in for a few days with no issues, but a home where people truly live make it their own, have families, memories…that’s what gives the threshold power.

        IIRC, even in that universe, a vampire can force it’s way in, but the threshold strips it of most of its power if not invited.

        • Apeman42@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          6 hours ago

          It would be such a Dresden type loophole to use that with the cliche of “home is wherever you are”, and have someone believe that strongly enough to make the other person a living vampire repellent.

          • Apeman42@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            2 hours ago

            Upon further consideration and two drinks, I deand Hollywood use this as the twist ending to give Blade the love interest they’re going to force in no matter what in the reboot.

            Then in the sequel he sells out and gets a fancy new Batcave Crypt(?) funeded by some asshole who turns out to be the villain.

            And Blade’s conviction falters and it breaks her protection just long enough to get her tragically killed, setting up therevenge plot for the third movie.

            God wqhy am I not a screenwriter. It’s not good, but it would sell.

            • Apeman42@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              2 hours ago

              Okay so then in Blade 3 its bsically Blade goign John Wick on some vampires until he finds out the vamp who killed his love is now part of a cult tying to smmon a demon.Then at the climax of the movie he has to choose betoween getting his revenge and stopping the summoning. and Blade is too driven by fury and he goes for revenge. So cliffhanger ending, the demon pops out of a portal. folloed by…

              JOHN CONSTANTINE!

              THAT’S RIGHT BIGHTCHES, BLADE 4 IS A BACKDOOR MARVEL/DC CROSSOVER!

      • Anomalocaris@lemm.ee
        6·
        9 hours ago

        wait

        is property lines the same as a house?

        can you sublet a room on your house and hide there?

        can you surround a vampire with houses and he cannot escape?

        • Bizzle@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          9 hours ago

          Hey, I’m an amateur vampirologist. Feel free to tell me to go F myself if you disagree, but here are my thoughts.

          In most media I’ve seen it’s not the property line, it’s specifically the house.

          Subletting leads to an interesting conundrum that I’ll have to explore more but on its face I think it checks out. I also think it’s very silly and would love to see a work that explored this.

          As I understand it, you’d have to build them pretty close together so it couldn’t escape, especially if it can turn into mist or fly, but theoretically I think that would work too if you could build fast enough.

          • Anomalocaris@lemm.ee
            9·
            8 hours ago

            i won’t tell you to fuck yourselves, I’ll do it myself …

            next questions

            a cave can be a house, can a vampire enter a uninhabited cave, but if next day someone moves in, will the vampire be unable to enter?

            if a vampire inherits a house, no one formally invited him in, could he enter, as he is the legal owner and therefore only need his invitation?

            do tents count as housing? what about this:

            could you wear a tent like that and vampires would be unable to bite you?

            • neatchee@lemmy.world
              6·
              7 hours ago

              Imagine a vampire getting frustrated with a realtor because this is the fourth time they’ve arrived at a house they’re interested in to do a walkthrough but the owners aren’t home and the realtor, as someone who doesn’t have ties to the memories created in that home, can’t invite him in.

              This also has fascinating implications for house flippers. If you only live there while working on it, have you not amassed enough “home power” to keep vampires out? Does the power of your previous home follow you to a new address if it’s mostly the same decor?

              • Anomalocaris@lemm.ee
                5·
                7 hours ago

                We could then use vampires to determine who owns a house, if a house is abandoned for a while and there are squatters.

                the squaters and legal owner invite vampires in, if the legal owner vampire cant, he looses the right to the house, if the squatter’s vamp cant get in, they get evicted.

            • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip
              31·
              7 hours ago

              could you wear a tent like that and vampires would be unable to bite you?

              I feel like they can’t enter your house, as in get their entire body over the threshold. But there’s no magical forcefield over the doorway, so if you were standing within arms reach they could grab you. The tent thing is kind of a moot point though, as there’s nothing preventing them from attacking a domicile, so they could just tear it or even just poke you with a pointed stick.

          • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
            4·
            8 hours ago

            But wouldn’t someone have to be living in the houses? I feel like empty buildings wouldn’t work.

            • Bizzle@lemmy.worldEnglish
              3·
              8 hours ago

              At it’s core a house is an inhabited building. I think an occupied outhouse might work even, if you stuck a much of them together with the vampire in the middle. I’m envisioning like a 3x3 porta potty cube with a vampire in the center one.

              But yeah I think there would have to at least be a person in each one

              • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca
                3·
                7 hours ago

                I think the spell is based around trust, the vampire has to convince you to trust them enough (either through charm or trickery) to invite them into your private living space. I think an outhouse would work since there’s a major expectation of privacy there.

                I think a warrant would help the vampire convince people to trust them (a judge trusted them to execute their court order) but probably wouldn’t be enough on it’s own. Because it’s not about convincing someone else to say it’s ok to enter your home, they have to convince you to give them permission. But the vampire could say “I have been ordered by the court to search your house, may I come in?” They’d have to wait until you’ve read the warrant, maybe call your lawyer, and your lawyer would tell you that you have to let them in. Then you’d likely give permission to the vampire to enter your house because your lawyer told you to. Because lawyers are just another kind of blood sucker, aren’t they?

        • cadekat@pawb.social
          1·
          8 hours ago

          I wonder how this would interact with, say, Manhattan’s Eruv—a wire used by some Jews to demark a private space.

    • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world
      2·
      7 hours ago

      Depends on the fictional mythology. For instance the show Tuee Blood says it only applies to homes owned by a human, not businesses and such. That show has so many plot holes… But that idea they almost stick to. So I would say if the entire country was owned by 1 person and they lived there and had no businesses in it, sure.

  • anubis119@lemmy.world
    201·
    10 hours ago

    No. The vampire is bound by a supernatural barrier not even the likes of Dracula can defy. Otherwise Dracula would be a judge to issue warrants for his fellow vampire officers.

    • laranis@lemmy.zip
      4·
      8 hours ago

      I actually think you’ve just described the current political climate in the US.

  • Randomdude@lemm.ee
    715·
    14 hours ago

    No a vampire requires permission from some1 inside the house it could be any1 in the house not just the owner. A warrent give legal permission to enter but its from outside the house thus making it useless for a vampire to enter with alone.

  • IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
    37·
    13 hours ago

    Kicks down the door with his non-vampire partner who enters first … non-vampire steps inside the building and tells his vampire friend to come in

  • catty@lemmy.world
    131·
    11 hours ago

    A job doesn’t change or define what you are. A vampire would not be able to enter.

  • ooterness@lemmy.worldEnglish
    284·
    13 hours ago

    Yes, you agreed to the Terms of Service (aka Social Contract). For people in the USA, that includes the 4th amendment, which explicitly allows law enforcement (living or semi-living) to enter with a warrant. Therefore you have granted permission to enter.

    If they don’t have a warrant, or if they messed up the paperwork somehow, then they burst into flame.

    • async_amuro@lemmy.zip
      281·
      12 hours ago

      Permission isn’t an invitation. They need to be invited in, not have permission to enter.

      • otacon239@lemmy.world
        6·
        11 hours ago

        Can a vampire not break and enter? Would an invitation work if they were out of town and needed the vampire to cat sit for a weekend? Does you being in the house have an effect on the invitation or it deed based? How are renters handled? So many questions!

        If you’re like me, you’re frustrated with vampire law. Here at Vampire Law, we help to keep your invitations clear and any misunderstandings cleared up.

        • Yeather@lemmy.ca
          1·
          8 hours ago

          Express, verbal consent if there is a person in the house. No one in the house = no need to grant permission.

      • 5765313496@lemmy.world
        2·
        10 hours ago

        I don’t know about that. So, if they ask, “can I come in?” and you say, “Yes.” then they still can’t come in?

    • Darkassassin07@lemmy.caEnglish
      121·
      13 hours ago

      But if you’re born in the USA, you didn’t agree to any ToS it was forced upon you at birth. Never chose to accept/agree to them, but obligated to follow them or face punishment.

      A contract signed under duress is invalid.

      • Øπ3ŕ@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        4·
        12 hours ago

        While birth is certainly a state of duress for everyone involved, the term would have extreme difficulty in just about any court (glances at the current state of US judicial system uh. mostly.) — though I get where you’re coming from and don’t entirely disagree.

        What a world it would be if those cosplaying porklets burst into flames simply by acting outside the Rules As Written. 🤩🥓🔥🤣 ACAB.

    • ViatorOmnium@piefed.socialEnglish
      2·
      11 hours ago

      The protection is usually framed under the natural right to be safe at home, it has nothing to do with legal entitlements. i.e. someone considering a dwelling home makes it safe, not an arbitrary paper.

  • glitchdx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    2·
    9 hours ago

    that depends on the setting you’re writing.

    I think it would be more interesting to instead say yes or no, and then explain why it’s that way in your setting.

    if yes, perhaps the law is magic in its own right, or perhaps the state is ordained by god. If the vampire is a protagonist, then perhaps the story might be interestes in exploring the necessity of due process and the consequences of not doing that.

    If no, perhaps it is because the police are a corrupt institution lacking support of any higher supernatural power. Our vampire cop might feel forced to use increasing sinister methods of gaining entry to suspects homes.

    The answer could even be different depending on location, and showing the difference could be very interesting.

  • crawancon@lemm.ee
    8·
    13 hours ago

    he could enter but he wouldn’t without permission as his vampyrical torment exists deeper than his protect and sever police man gentle nudges.

  • thirtyfold8625@thebrainbin.org
    5·
    12 hours ago

    I believe that a vampire is a representation of exploitative forces that you invite into your own life but could avoid if you chose to. A policeman is hard to avoid, especially if they have a warrant. Therefore, a vampire cannot be a policeman in the first place, since the state of being a policeman overwhelms the state of being a vampire.