• ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
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    9 hours ago

    I’m not saying the US isn’t shit with for profit prisons, but I’m not believing shit for any number that China provides on pretty much anything.

    • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ@lemmy.world
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      8 hours ago

      To be fair, China is 2nd in overall prison population by country globally, so it’s not like their numbers are complete bs. I’m sure there is some fudging in what constitutes as a “prisoner” when they have “re-education camps” though. That said, the US’s numbers are fucking insane.

    • veganbtw@lemmy.mlOP
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      9 hours ago

      Interesting because the number comes from the Institute for Criminal Research and not China, but go on with your total and complete acceptance of US propaganda and unfound hatred of China.

      • SupraMario@lemmy.world
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        7 hours ago

        Yes, because the ICR got their numbers from… going to each prison in china and getting their numbers then doing the math on each location to come up with…no they got them from the Chinese gov.

        Internment camps…are not educational camps … they’re prisons. Uyghurs are a great example of prisoners not being labeled as prisoners.

        …just realized you’re from .ml and this is memes on ml …fucking hell ml is a leaking shit hole.

        We don’t believe our governments propaganda…but we also don’t believe the CCPs propaganda either.

  • godlessworm [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
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    11 hours ago

    UHHH THATS JUST BECAUSE CHINA IS LYING HAHAA YOU REALLY BELIEVE THEIR OWN NUMBERS LOL??? oh third parties provided that data…. UHH WELL THEY DONT HAVE IPHONES AND THEYRE ALL POOR. oh… wait, they do have iphones now and china has a stronger middle working class than the US and canada?

    hold on i need to go watch my tv for a couple hours to get a few more talking points but im gonna come back to this post and fucking own you

  • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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    11 hours ago

    One is labeled as authoritarian dystopia while the other as a beacon of freedom, it’s like we live in the upside down.

    • HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      3 hours ago

      Interesting how it’s southern states at the top eh?

      Can’t have anything to do with the fact that the US legally allows prisoner slavery right?

      Winder what the race ratio of the prison population is.

      • maniclucky@lemmy.world
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        10 hours ago

        How is a per-capita incarceration rate, with a reference to the superset included directly on the plot, misleading? Other than including more than El Salvador for the sake of external reference, which is almost certainly a size issue.

        • sexy_peach@feddit.org
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          10 hours ago

          I thought the states were being compared to other countries. Didn’t look properly on the phone.

          • then_three_more@lemmy.world
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            9 hours ago

            They are (which is the point) the countries are in orange USA (as an overall average) and el Salvador are the only countries that make it on to the list.

    • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      12 hours ago

      The rest are in undeclared labor camps

      Goes for both

      US labor camps are not undeclared (though extraterritorial black sites are). They’re called prisons, and the labor is slave labor, thanks to the 13th amendment.

      • Stovetop@lemmy.world
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        12 hours ago

        The previous user is a bit off base with the labor camps idea (not to say that the Xinjiang detention camps for Uyghurs aren’t widely known), but it is worth noting that China does utilize administrative detentions/行政拘留 for smaller offenses which are kept statistically separate from prison counts.

        If Raiden needs a source, the law covering administrative detentions can be reviewed here:

        https://www.gov.cn/xinwen/2021-01/23/content_5582030.htm

        • Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
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          11 hours ago

          but it is worth noting that China does utilize administrative detention

          Isn’t that the same as Jails in the US which is separate from prison statistics?

          Jail is where you go for the night when arrested for disorderly conduct and are released the next day.

          • Stovetop@lemmy.world
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            11 hours ago

            Administrative detentions can be longer. On paper they can hold you about a month, but it can be longer than that with a judge’s signoff if they have proof of a crime.

            This is typically where the police try to get you to confess to something and drag it out as long and uncomfortably as possible until you do, after which you either get to go free (though you end up on a list for a long time) or you may go to a “black jail”/黑監獄 which is a sort of under-the-table prison.

            The terms of release can also sometimes require completion of a rehabilitation program, which is often the voluntary alternative to prison, or getting transferred to a short stay detention center for a few months to perform community service.

            • davel@lemmy.mlEnglish
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              3 hours ago

              Administrative detentions can be longer. On paper they can hold you about a month, but it can be longer than that with a judge’s signoff if they have proof of a crime.

              And in the US, jail can be up to just short of a year.

              This is typically where the police try to get you to confess to something and drag it out as long and uncomfortably as possible until you do, after which you either get to go free (though you end up on a list for a long time) or you may go to a “black jail”/黑監獄 which is a sort of under-the-table prison.

              The terms of release can also sometimes require completion of a rehabilitation program, which is often the voluntary alternative to prison, or getting transferred to a short stay detention center for a few months to perform community service.

              So pretty similar to the US.