• 4F6C69766572@lemmy.lothians.social
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    Well, we always knew #RATM were right, but no one expected yet another playbook decades after this album was released in 1999. It all feels that unreal… 😔

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      3 months ago

      “I liked them before they got all political” – Some Republican dumbass.

      I can only assume they thought Bulls on Parade was about a family holiday to the beach.

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    Realistically, the rioters are going to eventually be condemned by the peaceful protestors, and the general population will soon follow, thus giving support for law enforcement to squash them and end the fiasco. This has been the case for a loooooong time.

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        Ah yes, I’m sure those peaceful protesters during the civil rights movement didn’t care about the cause they were protesting for.

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          The civil rights movement succeeded because the authorities were made to realize that if they didn’t play ball with MLK, folks like Malcolm X and Huey Newton were the alternative.

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            That’s just false, civil rights weren’t achieved through intimidation. The movement succeeded because it achieved it’s objective through peaceful means. The movement organized peaceful protests to raise awareness and bring attention to the issues, they organized and fought legal battles challenging the status quo, they created institutions to help campaign for their causes, and disavowed violence to win over the general public. It is the prime example in history what peaceful protesting can achieve.

            The civil rights movement is not alone, other movements like the suffragette movements in the West, the Salt Marches in India, the Singing revolution in the Baltics, and so on all achieved momentous things peacefully.

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              the suffragette movements in the West

              You mean this suffragette movement?

              When by 1903 women in Britain had not been enfranchised, Pankhurst decided that women had to “do the work ourselves”; the WSPU motto became “deeds, not words”. The suffragettes heckled politicians, tried to storm parliament, were attacked and sexually assaulted during battles with the police, chained themselves to railings, smashed windows, carried out a nationwide bombing and arson campaign…


              the Salt Marches in India,

              Why is India partitioned, then? (Hint: take a look at the Muslim League’s tactics and goals.)


              the Singing revolution in the Baltics

              Kind of a special case; the USSR collapsed all by itself and didn’t try to oppose them.

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                You mean this suffragette movement?

                Yes. It was a peaceful movement. Their goals weren’t achieved through violence.

                Why is India partitioned, then?

                The goal of the movement was to end British rule over the subcontinent, and they achieved that goal.

                Kind of a special case; the USSR collapsed all by itself and didn’t try to oppose them.

                You’re not giving these people their credit. The Soviet Union was filled with violent factions that wanted to prevent dissolution and the end of communism. These people managed to literally sing their way to independence.

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    Holy fuck. Some finally have the balls to stand up and fight and a bunch of you are all…this is wrong. Escalation and violence is not ok…or…but they have so many big guns.

    Your country is run by a fucking dictator. Your own people are being forcefully removed from their homes and families and put in concentration camps.

    Unbelievable.

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      I have leveled some pretty strong words about Americans in the past- but it wasn’t until this year that they really revealed themselves as a nation of utter cowards.

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    “…The Imperial need for control is so desperate because it is so unnatural. Tyranny requires constant effort. It breaks, it leaks. Authority is brittle. Oppression is the mask of fear. Remember that. And know this, the day will come when all these skirmishes and battles, these moments of defiance will have flooded the banks of the Empire’s authority and then there will be one too many. One single thing will break the siege. Remember this. Try.*

    -Karis Nemik, Andor

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    What’s to stop Cali national guard from ignoring Orange man? Or maybe I have been watching/reading too much fiction.

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      Their feelings. Soldiers are humans, not machines. They will go with their hearts and minds to decide whom they fight for.

      Hopefully, they will decide to side with the good guys, not Agent ‘Krasnov’ Orange.

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      They swore an oath to uphold the Constitution. They have a duty to ignore, report, or even actively resist an unconstitutional command.

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      Drawing the ire of the federal government. If their commander refuses, he’ll be removed and replaced with someone who will comply.

      That commander is appointed by the CA governor, and I don’t see Newsom fighting the feds on this (or much of anything, really, so far it’s only been joint lawsuits against economic issues). Conceivably, Trump could argue that when federalized, he could remove the commander himself and appoint an interim commander, or just leave it unfilled and have DoD control them directly.

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      The national guard is under federal control. California will have its own state guard.

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    AMERICA! IS FUCKED! NEVER COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE FUCKING DAY YEAH!

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    So glad I never joined the National Guard cause I would definitly refuse to go, and if forced, join the side of of the ones fighting ICE.

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      On it. Now I just need friends. If you see a guy in green, that might be me.

      I figure we need a suitable color to separate ourselves from the politics of yore.

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      Drones, everyone should be looking at fiber optic drones. If for no other reason than you can put one in the sky with a thermal camera above your home.

      Hell it doesn’t even need to have a fiber optic cable, having that information is very valuable.

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      Well, Americans always defend their guns because they could use them to rise up against their government. So honestly, although normally considered impressive, you Americans raised our expectations even higher.

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        We have guns, but the government has even more.

        There’s not so much gained from escalation. Cameras are still the best weapon, considering how many allegedly sentient organisms still have support for Trump’s actions. Media has claimed that “they’re only arresting violent illegals”, and “they’re only using soldiers to stop violent riots”. Regretfully, millions of people still believe that. The more evidence we can generate that both are untrue, the more that we can turn the tide.

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        Sadly, the people that oppose totalitarianism are mostly the ones that opposed owning guns and lived according to their beliefs.

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      Could i interest you in a very loud WOOP WOOP. That’s the sound of the police. Or possibly a WOOP WOOP. That’s the sound of the beast.

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      When I was seven, I learned a lesson from Cube and Eazy-E What was it again? Oh yeah, fuck the police

      I was actually a teenager but the sentiment…

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      +1…The original boombox used tape cassettes and most with two for playing and recording. Don’t forget your roller skates too.