I’m sorry but it doesn’t make sense TO ME. Based on what I was taught, regardless of the month, I think what matters first is to know what day of the month you are in, if at the beginning, in the middle or at the end of said month. After you know that, you can find out the month to know where you are in the year.
What is the benefit of doing it the other way around?
EDIT: To avoid misunderstandings:
- I am NOT making fun OF ANYONE.
- I am NOT negatively judging ANYTHING.
- I am totally open to being corrected and LEARN.
- This post is out of pure and honest CURIOSITY.
So PLEASE, don’t take it the wrong way.
Because the month tells me more about how far in the future something is. If I have an appointment on the 12th of July, there’s not much information in knowing it’s on the 12th. 12th of what? But it’s in July, so between 1 and 2 months in the future. If I need more info, then I’ll pay attention to the day. So in order of information given.
Historical dates are similar, except I really just need (roughly) the year, and then a month if that’s relevant. Knowing the exact date of a historical event is just showing off. But if you know the month, you know what season it was, what the weather was probably like. Was it planting/growing/harvest time? You can guess at a lot of things with just the month.
Perhaps because where I live there are no seasons in the same way as in the United States, knowing the month doesn’t matter to us unless we work in the fields, here there are only months of sun and months of rain.
Sure, but if I tell you the month, you still know what part of the year it is. If it’s sunny, or if it’s rainy must mean something to you.
Mmm not so much. I prefer to know on the first day so, for example, how close I am to payday, which is every two weeks. I don’t care that much about months other than December since I finished college.
Yeah that makes sense then. I live in Minnesota and the seasons definitely matter here. Every 3 months will be a completely different drastic changes to temperature, weather, etc. So for planning, the month definitely matters and I think it makes more sense for us to say it first.
Not that it really matters that much haha.
I’m guessing, but it’s likely because the spoken form for a date is normally, 'May 31st, 2025" vs “The 31st of May, 2025”, hence 05/31/25 v 31/05/25.
I once did some research on this exact topic, and my findings pretty much mirror your guess.
Not for me, e.g. “remember, remember the fifth of November” is how we remember the date of Guy Fawkes Night in the UK. “Fourth of July”, “14th of February”, “First of April”, etc.
I guess you mean in the States, but perhaps they say it that way because they write their dates M-D-Y.
So, by the time someone in the UK has finished saying the day and “of,” an American has said the month and day.
The US is finally more efficient!
Except other languages beat English.
Germans just say the numbers. For example, today is the 31st 5th. Who needs the month name anyways?
That’s only useful for the current date, or dates within your current month. Otherwise this is worthless information haha.
“When was Archduke Franz Ferdinand assassinated?”
“The 28th.”
There go the Germans trying to beat everyone again.
We don’t want or care about it. Its just the way its always been over here. Same with fahrenheit and the imperial system. I know this is a little exaggerated but imagine asking a Japanese person why they dont just speak english because its the worlds most spoken language. Its one of those things other countries like to pick on us for that I think is a little stupid. Instead you should be dunking on us for putting an orange party clown in the whitehouse. Again. But then again there are some exploitative processes that helped make that happen like gerrymandering. My point is that our shit healthcare and the majority of the things that we are laughed at for is out of our hands. Even the fat jokes can be somewhat blamed on the fact that the availabilty of cheap unhealthy food with a large portion size is greater than pricier organic options and lots of the poor tend to take that route. I’m not saying our majority is completely blameless but these are factors to consider
I… I wasn’t dunking of anyone, I’m just curious…
Its all good if you weren’t others would no doubt show up and begin the dunking so this is more for them than you
It’s inherited from a historic convention from the UK. Historically the rationale was that the month was more important than the year, so they put it first, although this has no useful consistency or order to it.
Unfortunately, kind of dumb decisions from the path tend to stick and keep existing for an unnecessary long time because people get used to them and then never change them. Another example is the keyboard layout you’re probably typing on. QWERTY/QWERTZ/AZERTY and so on are all typwriter-optimized. Typewriter-optimized means it’s intentionally made to slow down your typing because the old typewriters couldn’t deal with too fast typing. So the layout was made so that you constantly have to switch between rows and hit keys spread all over the place. It doesn’t make sense to keep the layout in the computer age, but since everyone is familiar with this layout, the suboptimal choice persists… Popularity can beat common sense or objectivity or things like that.
Typewriter-optimized means it’s intentionally made to slow down your typing because the old typewriters couldn’t deal with too fast typing.
I wish that myth would die. If that was the case then E and R would be furthER away from each othER because being right next to each othER would make it likely for the two lettERs to bump into each othER.
Contrary to popular belief, the QWERTY layout was not designed to slow the typist down, but rather to speed up typing. Indeed, there is evidence that, aside from the issue of jamming, placing often-used keys farther apart increases typing speed, because it encourages alternation between the hands.
Thanks, didn’t know. It’s indeed a well-established myth then. Corrected my post.
Interesting. Thanks! I genuinely believed that myth was true.
Damn you’re right. In many respects, habit overcomes reason.
That’s an apocryphal explanation for QWERTY’s design. I personally doubt it since “a” and “s” are placed right next to each other. Additionally, placing keys further apart doesn’t mean they’re slower to type. (In fact, anecdotally, it can be the opposite. In piano, incorrect fingering disproportionately affects playing keys that are right next to each other.)
The QWERTY keyboard was designed to speed typing up, not slow it down
sauce?
some studies on keyboard layout have suggested that, for a skilled typist, layout is largely irrelevant – even randomized and alphabetical keyboards allow for similar typing speeds to QWERTY and Dvorak keyboards – and that switching costs always outweigh the benefits of further training with a keyboard layout a person has already learned
Here’s just one, and there are many. What you cited above doesn’t contradict what I said either…my point is it wasn’t created to intentionally slow typing down
When you speak it, do you say July 3rd or 3rd of July? Both are fine.
3rd of July, as I’m used to by the german ‘dritter Juli’
In America we only say July third or FOURTH OF JULY
Perfect:
7/2/'25
7/3/'25
4/7/'25
7/5/'25
7/6/'25I find that just to be because we are emphasizing the day over the month there. It isn’t independence month, it’s independence day.
It just comes from the UK like most of our shit does. The papers that were coming from there in the 1700s when we gained our independence said month, day, year. We stuck with it. The Units came from there as well and we only modified them to keep a standard. Then we tried to go full metric, and Ronald Reagan killed it.
That said if people are talking nonsense at a table at the bar or lunch and someone asks when you were born, they are usually expecting you to say “September” or “1949”. If they ask how old are you, they are expecting “47.”. Everything usually has context. Because usually someone only asks those questions if one they are talking about Astrological signs, or they are thinking that one age is better than another. To old to young nonsense.
I speak speak Spanish, so we just say “Primero de Julio” (1st of July)" an then “Dos/tres/quince de Julio” (Two/three/fifteen of July). An of course, all are perfectly fine.
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I mean that also makes sense, year-month-day. The other way of course is day-month-year, also logical, those two are in ascending or descending order.
And then there is the American month-day-year.
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Anyone who doesn’t use ISO 8601 is wrong.
FACTS
No. RFC 2822 (short format) is also great. “20 Mar 2025”
Wrong
Until you try to sort your log files alphabetically.
This is for display, not data processing.
Also guess what, journalctl formats date like “May 21 00:48:56” (probably according to system locale). Why would you sort your log files alphabetically? They should already be in chronological order.
this is terrible
no letters! Go away letters!
Linguistics
In UK English, it’s considered proper to write “the 6th of March” as “6 March” and sometimes read as “6th March” which can be jarring to Americans as their shorthand is “March 6th” and when “6(th) March” is encountered in written form, it’s expanded to the full “6th of March” when spoken
That doesn’t mean this won’t be yet another feature American English absorbs from UK English but right now flipping them in speech requires a few extra syllables and people are lazy
people are lazy
Kinda relatable ngl 😅
Why do you care? There are so many other cultural differences to highlight, history and music and art that only exist overseas, hundreds of millions of people with the same dreams and ambitions you have. Why on earth would you focus on something so trivial?
… Curiosity? Some interesting things are hidden in the most trivial information.
Many computer systems store dates starting with the year. Isn’t that interesting?
They say it “June 1st”, as opposed to “1st of June”, so it makes sense to write it that way. That, mate, was a hard lesson to learn for me lol.
For no other reason than to be different and contrary. Metric system anyone?
Are you saying we Americans do things in objectively worse ways, just to remind everyone what we have the freedom to be confidently wrong?
Because I can confidently tell you there’s no examples of us doing that. (This is sarcasm, intended to amuse you.)
I think it’s just the way we talk. It’s just more common for us to refer to a date in speech like “Today is June 1st”. Whereas other countries would say “Today is the 1st of June”. Neither is wrong, it’s just how things are said.
It’s more efficient to say June 1st. I suppose you could say 1st June though. Not sure if anyone does that.
Historically, I don’t know, but personally, I prefer YYYY-MM-DD style dates they sort naturally in basically all computer software without having to think about it.
ISO 8601 rules!
RFC 3339 is where it’s at
Free sorting is always the way to go.
There are plenty of other scenarios with a similar pattern of starting at the larger scale and then the specific.
TV shows: Season 2 Episode 9
Biblical: Book of John 3:16
Other books: Chapter 9, page 125.
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Phone numbers: country code (area code) locality-individual
I’m not saying either is right or wrong, but there are precedents for either way.
Perhaps the most relevant of all: time of day. 9:30. Hours first, then minutes. I’m not from a location that does month-day ordering, but I think largest to smallest works excellently for time measurement, hence ISO 8601.
I’m surprised I didn’t even think of that. It’s so obvious!
9:30
Which I would say as “Half past nine”.
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