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Ngl I do get the arguments against gun control in the abstract, and I’m maybe even sympathetic to some of them, but then I look at America and ehhhhhh
He thinks he’s talking to conservatives, playing on their “thin blue line” sympathies. But like every other rank-and-file Democrat, he has failed to read the fucking room. The right-wing in America showed us on January 6th 2021 that their support of law enforcement is purely conditional, and will be revoked the minute they don’t get their way. And the Left? We always hated cops.
His message reached zero people.
stop, I can only get so erect
Of course this is what it means. The people who wrote down this existing right had done the same to their equivalents. It’s not a fantasy.
If they are willing to defend facism and defend a dictator…then what’s the problem?
At some point your “I’m just doing my job” becomes, “I support an American dictatorship.”. Do you not have morals? Your “job” has now become antithetical to the American Democratic Ethos - you are now a de facto traitor to your country. Last I checked, traitors are an enemy of the state.
…so again, what’s the problem?
then they came for the civilians. And I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a civilian.
Yeah Thomas Mann’s poem is still relevant and more people need to read it and understand it.
If you “only follow commands”, you are still implicated in every action. If you are a cop you are literally one of the checks in the system of checks and balances.
American Democratic Ethos
Not sure which slaveholders or Manifest Destiny folks you’re putting on a pedestal, but even if—big if—America’s dead once had admirable and pro-humanity values, today’s terrified, uneducated, unhappy, unkind, impoverished shithole does not.
Being an awful person appears to reflect perfectly these last generations of the American Empire.
If you ever bought a gun because you thought you would use it to kill the people you hate the most, stop and consider that I am one of those people
Leftists with guns: this is fine
Yeah no shit buddy. It’s come to that point. I like you Pete, but don’t bury your head in the sand on this one. American soldiers defend fascism.
2018 was a different time
No, we knew it was fascism then too.
No it wasn’t. Hell, it was even 2 years into the first Trump term.
Do you think he would say anything different now?
I think his audience has shifted
In what ways?
What has Pete done to make you believe he is going after an audience that would disagree with this statement and/or that he would now disagree with this statement?
Your initial comment was that “2018 was a different time” I’m trying to understand what you think has changed so drastically since then.
I think a lot of people stopped listening to the rad libs like Maddow and became disaffected from the Democrats since then. those folks are (at least around me) engaging in more radical acts of resistance than the marching-and-shouting that dominated the public actions of that time. so while buttegieg probably hasn’t shifted much, and might think he’s still talking to those same people, many of them are no longer listening.
I like you Pete
Why, though? He’s a Neoliberal proponent of Reaganomics Lite and McKinsey grad (but I repeat myself) who keeps failing upwards.
Nah, every time pete pops up it’s something stupid that makes me like him less and less.
Maybe because he would be a fairly normal right wing figure in another country?
They’re talking about how this tweet is from 2018. Different situation then.
Good argument against republican gun nuts at least who seem to be quite fond of law enforcement
If the government comes for me, they’re bringing more people than I can shoot. The first answer to that, is to prevent that from happening through political action. The second is that you don’t respond to that with a gun.
Everyone on Ruby ridge was armed, everyone in Waco was armed. They’re all dead for their troubles. A gun won’t fix that problem.
If you are as good as dead either way, why do you think it’s better to go down without a fight?
Being disarmed won’t save you, it just makes you an easier victim of the same forces.
“Armed resistance never works” says the uneducated and ahistorical American with no understanding of the world outside the fascist empire they live in.
I didn’t say armed resistance doesn’t work. I said your gun isn’t going to work.
You need a gun to join an armed resistance, Einstein. Surrendering your guns prevents your ability from joining an organized resistance.
Pretty sure I pull up with a semi full of fertilizer and I’d be their bestest friend.
It’s not about the reality of defending yourself from tyranny with homicide. It’s about the psychological comfort that the warped fantasy brings.
Well, the gun would certainly improve my chances in the battle against fascist cops and soldiers. Political resistance is proving to be a failure. The Dems are already thinking that Kamala (proven failure) is our best chance against Trump 3.0 in 2028. No third-party will be viable by that date.
This is only a problem because Americans continue to support Democrats. Unfortunately, we need to be even more clear that their corrupt and ineffectual politics are no longer desired than we did in ‘24, because the bozos are pretending they didn’t get the message. The corporate Dems work tirelessly to enable disastrous Republican policies all the time, usually at the behest of their common donors - they should just stop the charade and switch parties.
In the meantime, there are efforts to get leftist 3rd parties off the ground. This Is our only hope to “vote” our way out of fascism, and yes, I’m aware it’s a minuscule chance of success. People typically don’t vote their way out of fascism, historically speaking.
political resistance includes strikes, protests and mutual aid. oh and also guns when (because its just a matter of when in the us) it comes time for it. libs are just doing it aimlessly, start listening to the socialists and you won’t even need to elect anyone.
also its cute that some people think you are likely to see another election in 2028.
and proselitizing. don’t forget proselitizing. if possible go to squares and city centers, perhaps with a small table or tent, lots of pamphlets and some good will to explain.
Waiting for people to wake up. At this point I am not sure they will.
Your terms are acceptable.
Everyone should own a copy of Guerilla Warfare by Che Guevara.
Something something kill or be killed
