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Their fantasy is specifically a David Koresh moment where the ATF and FBI come at them for fucking children.
If it comes to the point where the government is so bad that civilians have to fight against it, then the soldiers and police officers should join them.
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I said “should”
Yea, so here’s the thing bud, those guys are there to protect the capital owners… Sorry. Pete’s right about their inclusion however not accepting if they fail to stand down then they should go too.
That would be nice, wouldn’t it ? unfortunately cops are lawful evil, meaning they gave allegiance to DAS KAPITAL
stop, I can only get so erect
Of course this is what it means. The people who wrote down this existing right had done the same to their equivalents. It’s not a fantasy.
If they are willing to defend facism and defend a dictator…then what’s the problem?
At some point your “I’m just doing my job” becomes, “I support an American dictatorship.”. Do you not have morals? Your “job” has now become antithetical to the American Democratic Ethos - you are now a de facto traitor to your country. Last I checked, traitors are an enemy of the state.
…so again, what’s the problem?
then they came for the civilians. And I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a civilian.
Yeah Thomas Mann’s poem is still relevant and more people need to read it and understand it.
If you “only follow commands”, you are still implicated in every action. If you are a cop you are literally one of the checks in the system of checks and balances.
American Democratic Ethos
Not sure which slaveholders or Manifest Destiny folks you’re putting on a pedestal, but even if—big if—America’s dead once had admirable and pro-humanity values, today’s terrified, uneducated, unhappy, unkind, impoverished shithole does not.
Being an awful person appears to reflect perfectly these last generations of the American Empire.
If you ever bought a gun because you thought you would use it to kill the people you hate the most, stop and consider that I am one of those people
Leftists with guns: this is fine
Yeah no shit buddy. It’s come to that point. I like you Pete, but don’t bury your head in the sand on this one. American soldiers defend fascism.
2018 was a different time
No it wasn’t. Hell, it was even 2 years into the first Trump term.
Do you think he would say anything different now?
I think his audience has shifted
In what ways?
What has Pete done to make you believe he is going after an audience that would disagree with this statement and/or that he would now disagree with this statement?
Your initial comment was that “2018 was a different time” I’m trying to understand what you think has changed so drastically since then.
I think a lot of people stopped listening to the rad libs like Maddow and became disaffected from the Democrats since then. those folks are (at least around me) engaging in more radical acts of resistance than the marching-and-shouting that dominated the public actions of that time. so while buttegieg probably hasn’t shifted much, and might think he’s still talking to those same people, many of them are no longer listening.
No, we knew it was fascism then too.
I like you Pete
Why, though? He’s a Neoliberal proponent of Reaganomics Lite and McKinsey grad (but I repeat myself) who keeps failing upwards.
Nah, every time pete pops up it’s something stupid that makes me like him less and less.
Maybe because he would be a fairly normal right wing figure in another country?
They’re talking about how this tweet is from 2018. Different situation then.
Why are we punching a strawman made out of a 7 year old tweet? Get something more current of his to spit on.
Not even getting into how this can more squarely be aimed at conservatives who profess to love the cops and love the troops, but love the 2nd just as much. The article specifically about defending yourself from troops and cops.
It does represent the dichotomy of Democrats complaining about 2a when they are in control but people realizing its importance when the repression they commit abroad comes home.
I think it represents a timely reminder that we now know those who scream the loudest about the 2A, and how we can’t do a damn thing about gun violence because it would erode their freedoms, have no interest in using it the way they’ve always proclaimed they must, as long as the right people are being hurt.
And I’m not actually anti-2A so much as I am anti-a-particular-sort-of-gun-enthusiast.
I’m not keen on the 2A, based on it’s original purpose and use. I am, however, pro “Under no pretext shall arms and ammunition be surrendered, and any attempts to do should be frustrated, by force, if necessary.”
I am not arguing in any way for disarmament. But the fact that’s all anyone seems to think I’m saying is kind of proving my point.
Nah, I was only replying to the part about you not being a 2a supporter, showing you dont have to be, in order to support an armed working class 😀
The democrats are conservatives.
He thinks he’s talking to conservatives, playing on their “thin blue line” sympathies. But like every other rank-and-file Democrat, he has failed to read the fucking room. The right-wing in America showed us on January 6th 2021 that their support of law enforcement is purely conditional, and will be revoked the minute they don’t get their way. And the Left? We always hated cops.
His message reached zero people.
He’s right, you know. If you own an AR you shouldn’t slack on practice. Go to the gun range regularly. Train how to clean and maintain it. You may one day be facing people who are well trained.
At the end of the day it’s almost always tactics and physical readiness and not weapons systems. You can buy an apprentice the very best carpentry tools, but they aren’t going to turn out anything amazing unless they practice in repetition.
Exactly. Above all real world combat experience cannot be trained. Nobody can predict how you react when under fire, at least that was my impression in Charikar province, Afghanistan in ca. 2004. Knowing the basics will definitely be helpful though.
Yep, it’s a blend of instinct, experience, and preparedness. Only one of those is something you have any control over. Better max that one out.
To answer Pete Buttigeg:
That’s the point!
You know those Russian soldiers dropped their weapons during the October revolution.
If American soldoers are wise, they’d do the same.Or is Pete trying to tell everyone to be more like Benjamin Netanyahu when buying a gun?
The “don’t step on me” people who talk about the right to bear arms often celebrate the police and the military
Well that sounds like more people need to bear arms.
If those soldiers and cops are there solely at the behest of s despot like the current one in office then they are expendable
awesome, so no innocent people will get hurt
