That’s just wild. The one silver lining to T2 is that I’m not shocked by anything anymore. It’s still outrageous, but the surprise is gone.
I don’t think there’s enough evidence to conclusively say that it was natural or that it was a lab leak. There is actually quite a lot of evidence that it was a lab leak, but this website looks like such BS.
There’s also good evidence that Jeanne Calment was not the world’s oldest woman, but was instead her mother. Also, it’s well-understood that lightbulb manufacturers conspired to lower lifespans of bulbs throughout the 20th century. Just because there was a conspiracy don’t mean it ain’t real.
The tall letters in all caps.
The dramatic fade to blue.
Trump standing in the middle.
The fancy font on 𝓒𝓸𝓿𝓲𝓭.Oooh the tackiness is too much to bear
First this, then releasing 10000 pages worth of John F. Kennedy files. lol these are right out of the dictator’s handbook to public agenda manipulation. Trump can’t even do the dictator thing very well, it is such a rookie level move.
I always wondered what it would be like to live in oppressive regimes like Russia or China. Also never thought I’d live through a pandemic. Checking all the boxes lately.
And you’ll see why 1984 won’t be like “1984”.
I got that reference. The poster they gave out a MacWorld SF in 2004 is framed on the wall right behind me in my office. Bonus: you can see my Trans Pride (for others) reflected in the glass. It’s hanging in the window.
By nearly all measures of science, if there was evidence of a natural origin it would have already surfaced
Ah yes, we’ve already discovered everything. Science is over, everyone, let’s go home.
That’ll be a relief for high school students everywhere.
The longer it takes to find the zoonotic link the higher the probability of lab origin.
We already have plenty of evidence to conclude zoonotic origin. Bat RNA. Positive cultures in the wet market. Covid genome.
The longer it takes to find the lab origin link the higher the probability of zoonotic origin. /s
The problem with conspiracy theories is they’re non-falsifiable. That something is possible is not evidence that it is probable, that something is probable is not evidence that it happened.
Maybe a lab had something go wrong. Maybe that was because they were careless. Maybe that’s because Trump withdrew funding and oversight from the programs that helped labs like this. That should all be investigated. There’s a difference between asking for a due diligence after action report and assigning blame because “it had to be someone’s fault.”
The problem with conspiracy theories is they’re non-falsifiable.
Disagree. Some conspiracies can be proven with evidence. E.g. Watergate.
The virus had to come from somewhere. Finding a zoonotic trail of evidence (or at least a partial one) adds weight to a natural origin. There is lots of opportunity for new evidence to naturally come to light.
On the lab leak side evidence has already been destroyed by the Chinese government. New evidence is unlikely to surface naturally.
So lack of evidence on the zoonotic side gradually moves the balance of probability towards a lab leak.
The general public is unlikely reach certainty about either scenario. I bet the Chinese government has a certain answer.
He really has to put his ugly ass face on everything.
Does anyone know where the Wuhan Virology institute actually is? https://preview.redd.it/mie3e4ld3ee41.png?width=1320&format=png&auto=webp&s=9b71b94a05ee7832e7550595fc793b7486704ba8
It seems surprisingly mobile.
WIV hs multiple campuses and labs, including a level 2 lab 400m from the market.
Look, I can’t stand Trump, but he’s at least partially right on this one. It’s fucking obvious to anyone who has done even minimal research on it. Gain of function research for coronaviruses was being done at UNC Chapel Hill until it was shut down in 2014 and moved offshore: https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2014/11/07/361219361/how-a-tilt-toward-safety-stopped-a-scientists-virus-research
NIH and USAID then began funding the same research through the Wuhan Institute of Virology via EcoHealth Alliance since they had to move the research offshore: https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_R01AI110964_7529 https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-risky-virus-research-in-wuhan
Fauci was the head of NIH and authorized the research originally. Both the US and China have invested interest in making the allegations of a lab leak go away due to liability. It becomes obvious why Fauci wanted to squash any rumors of a lab leak since he was indirectly partially responsible for the research. It’s not a coincidence that Biden backpardoned Fauci specifically to 2014, when the gain of function research was moved overseas: https://www.justice.gov/pardon/media/1385746/dl?inline
That said, Event 201 really is where shit gets really uncomfortable: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9-oVXQX88esnrdhaiuRdXGG7XOVYB9Xm
Look at the timestamp of when that video was posted, who it was posted by and who all were involved. For bonus points, watch the entire thing and not just the highlights. The social media censorship aspects are a bigger part of the discussion than the highlights would suggest.
Whether or not I think Fauci deserves to be held criminally liable for helping fund the research that likely led to the outbreak, I definitely think he should have been found liable (if not for pardons) for his attempts to bury any attempts to look into a lab leak rather than natural origin, and ostracize and ridicule people who tried to look into the possibility of a lab leak. For those who forgot, fucking Jon Stewart was one of them: https://www.yahoo.com/news/dare-jon-stewart-reflects-lab-202138738.html
I’m not a conspiracy theorist but
Literally you
Federal government reported the possibility without Trump in office:
- FBI reported it was likely
- Department of Energy joined them in saying it was possible.
Sources
It’s not a wild conspiracy theory. Virological gain of function research & lax safety protocols could lead to unsurprising results that aren’t necessarily malicious.
OMG, tinfoil hat too tight??
First of all, “gain of function” viral and bacterial research has been a critical part of research for DECADES. There is absolutely no connection nor sequence relationship between ANY of gain of function research done in Wuhan and COVID-19. ALL the fears are hypothetical. Meanwhile, this type of research is the basis for all kinds of medical and research advances for the last 30 years (gene replacement, stem cells, siRNA, on and on).
Second, you don’t have a clue how NIH funding works. Grants are submitted to COMMITTEES at the NIH. Fauci was NEVER head of NIH, but even if he was he would have no awareness of nor control over these grants and funding. It’s not a dictatorship and one person absolutely cannot determine if a grant gets funded. It’s an incredibly arduous process that takes years and many many scientists reviewing and debating the facts and merits of the proposal, including safety protocols. Think peer review times 100. So to claim that Fauci should be held “criminally liable” is laughably ignorant.
NONE of the sequence altering research in the Wuhan lab had any relationship from a sequence perspective to COVID19. Every credible scientist acknowledges that. Is it possible that the wild type virus was being studied in the lab and somehow got out of the lab vs in the wild? Yes, it’s possible. Does it matter? No, it does not. It was going to happen and IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. Meanwhile, people like you make ignorant fear claims that are getting research labs shut down. The same labs, like Jason McClellan’s lab at Dartmouth that did 10 years of research altering the mRNA sequence of the spike protein so that it would be accurately presented as an antigen that gave us the vaccine in 11 months. Without this “gene altering” research that could be interpreted as “scary”, we probably still wouldn’t have a vaccine.
It is insane how many comments here believe that humans somehow made COVID-19 in a lab and leaked it. It is obvious and clear that the critical sequences responsible for the jump to humans exist in wild type form in nature. In fact, the critical spike protein sequence is so similar between coronavirus that the antigen work which the vaccine was based upon was done BEFORE COVID-19 in Jason McClellan’s lab at Dartmouth.
This WILL happen again, and conspiracy theories that have now shut down labs and funding are likely to cause millions of lost lives next time. We got lucky and the tinfoil hats are going to guarantee we’ll be unlucky next time.
It is obvious and clear that the critical sequences responsible for the jump to humans exist in wild type form in nature.
In theory. In practice no evidence of these stages has been found.
However it would be feasible to simulate the conditions required in a lab environment.
Controlled funding for gain of function research does not mean all lab work should stop.
Let me know how “gain of function” research is different than using plasmids. I’ll wait.
Yeah, I used to believe that too. Until I read how irresponsible these scientists were. Before the outbreak, they were planning to release an enhanced version into bat caves filled with bats to observe how the coronavirus mutated. They were infecting bats in the lab with coronavirus. Nobody said they created this from scratch, but they could have definitely helped evolution along. Even the CIA suspects it could have been a lab leak. I think the problem is that thinking it is “man-made” is hard for many, but it’s not difficult to believe that the evolution of the virus was influenced by humans.
And you believe that batshit?
Absolutely batffling…
it’s not difficult to believe that the evolution of the virus was influenced by humans.
Only for the ignorant. This is how research has worked for decades. Even the CIA (who are not scientists) have “low confidence”. Since when does “low confidence” mean it happened or you believe it??
All sequence data, wild type virus, and previous research history clearly show this virus existed in nature and because it is a highly mutable RNA virus, was able to infect humans. No credible scientist says otherwise. Let’s be clear - if they were studying the virus in a lab and it “got out” from the lab or from the wild what difference does it make? This is NOT a man made virus and to make the leap to that is just plain ignorance.
So the ignorant human response is to shut down all research on viruses because of the fear of it being “man made”. The result? When this happens again in 3 or 100 years (which it will), we will have no R&D to lean on LIKE WE DID FOR THE COVID19 VACCINE. We’ve ALREADY discovered a number of viruses in the wild that are likely to mutate and cause another pandemic. We should be celebrating research because the previous decade of work on antigen presentation of the spike protein gave us a vaccine in 11 months that we would otherwise likely not have EVEN TODAY.
I guess this is why ancient civilizations had human sacrifice when there was an eclipse. The stupid scared ignorant people determined public policy.
All sequence data, wild type virus, and previous research history clearly show this virus existed in nature
This is an exaggeration. There was a strain logged that was 96% similar (BatCoV RaTG13) but this lacked the proteins at the S1/S2 furin cleavage site.
This is NOT a man made virus
But it could be a man influenced virus.
we will have no R&D to lean on LIKE WE DID FOR THE COVID19 VACCINE
Vaccine research does not require gain of function studies.
Lol. ANY molecular biology research involves plasmids, which is the prime example of “gain of function”. It’s the cornerstone of molecular genetics for the last 40 years.
https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00991-0 https://eprints.gla.ac.uk/250304/1/250304.pdf
You are out of your league dude. Stop spreading lies.
Let’s be clear - if they were studying the virus in a lab and it “got out” from the lab or from the wild what difference does it make?
Firmer policies & enforcement of safety protocols? Informed selection of safety protocols?
These things already happen to an insane degree, which is good. Others are using this argument to either jump to the conclusion that it’s man made or that we should shut down all coronavirus research. There is a clear distinction between these thoughts that are being intentionally blurred by those with an agenda.
We ought to be vigilant about leaping to conclusions or letting biases creep in, and I can’t control others doing that.
Concerns about biosafety standards first caught my notice with this report stating that the laboratory may have been working with coronavirus at biosafety levels as low as 2 and explaining the significance. Questioning the source (even though it seems coherent), I noticed other reports with references seem to corroborate. These laboratories may not be taking the best precautions.
Okay you’ve refused to acknowledge or read my more important points so it appears you don’t want a conversation with perseverations on your agenda. Good luck.
I don’t know what logically led you to that conclusion. Maybe you ought to self-reflect & work on your own biases/not jump to conclusions?
I’m linking to supporting references, and you’re not, so 🤷.
Can someone help me understand what’s going on here?
Are they trying to throw shade on China because… they think it will help win the trade war?
Actually this news makes me have a conspiracy theory now.
- Trump started trade war with china early January 2018
- The Wuhan was studying the corona virus in the wild as usually, mostly with relax work
- Wuhan lab start publishing about covid in mid 2018 studying different variation
- Wuhan lab start testing mixing covid with hiv and stuff
- Trump loses the Trade war around late 2019
- 2019 Military World Games is happening in Wuhan October 18–27, 2019 .
Here is my new conspiracy theory:
- “Ordered by trump - CIA cause the leak to happen from the lab to the market to damage the Chinese economy”
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- First report of covid patient around November 2019
- First Cluster of patient around December 2019
Considering how the US government has been consistent of disregards of human life I see this as realistic case of why Trump keep circling back to this.
Here are some additional dots to tie pieces of string to.
So, this is wild speculation, but I’ll tell you my guess. I think it’s about TSMC, the world’s leading semiconductor manufacturer. China has, for years, been saying that Taiwan isn’t an independent country, but is instead “Chinese Taipei,” a part of China. They’ve been using this idea for years to gradually build towards an invasion of Taiwan. Taiwan, of course, does consider itself an independent nation. The US officially holds no position on this question, which is kinda bonkers; there’s this whole diplomatic dance about whether the US would defend Taiwan in the event of a Chinese invasion. The US might not care if it weren’t for TSMC, which runs the plants that produce a huge proportion of the world’s CPUs and GPUs and AI chips. All the best chip-making technology and know-how is with TSMC. It’s a major vulnerability in the US supply chain.
China has been ramping things up in the past several years. It’s suspected that a big part of why they’re going along with the Russian invasion of Ukraine is that Russia probably promised to go along with China invading Taiwan in exchange. It’s all very sub-rosa, but there’s been so much military maneuvering and posturing and so on back and forth around Taiwan that it’s been kind of dizzying.
This is, unfortunately, part of why China was enthusiastic about getting Trump back into the White House. Trump’s policies of isolating the US from its military allies, instigating worldwide trade chaos, and cozying up to dictators make the conditions a lot more ripe for China to make a move on Taiwan. And since the US has never been able to actually talk about Taiwan before, it’s gonna look absolutely batshit to the majority of Americans if China invades Taiwan and the US government suddenly wants to go to war against China over this, which seems like a huge risk. But since, as Trump so eloquently put it, “everything is computer,” we basically can’t stand by and let China take Taiwan without a fight.
So he’s trying to gin up sentiment against China on his own terms to lay the groundwork for a war that seems increasingly inevitable.
That is indeed wild speculation and sinophocic garbage
It’s possible to have a poor opinion of the Chinese government without having a bigoted opinion about the Chinese people.
The US government really is just being vandalised.
This is a group of people who feel they’ve been unfairly made fun of for too long finally getting their revenge.
If it did come from a lab it would be Fort Detrick.
The place where the anthrax came from used in the 9/11 letters.Sinophobia was already rampant and bipartisan.
Deliberately fueled by the government.
Like the embarrassing ‘spy’ balloon farce as an example.So… Chinese Americans (and anyone vaguely Asian looking) the next to be sent to concentration camps?
Sinophobia was already rampant and bipartisan.
Deliberately fueled by the government.
Like the embarrassing ‘spy’ balloon farce as an example.Not going to make excuses for the democrats, I am saying our nazi government needs more scapegoats, and they’re back to spreading lies about them. It’s the first step like calling all immigrants ms13.
also true
