Well, the egg “cracked” I guess. After 24 years, I’ve realized that I’m probably NB or trans. Looking back, I think that for a long while now, there’s been something in the back of my mind. Like a seed of doubt. I can think of any number of things that could’ve contributed to it. And it’s weird to me because I haven’t really felt any dysphoria, at least I can’t think of anything off the top of my head. But I know that there’s something off.

But anyway, over last weekend I was thinking about it a lot and after I came to that conclusion it was like this buzzing in my head that I hadn’t realized was there went quiet. And now that I know that… I have no fucking clue what happens next. The only people that know are close friends and I will absolutely not be letting anyone else who knows me know. HRT may be a very long ways (potentially 2 years, haven’t looked into it too much yet) away depending on a pending federal job.

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    Go read the entire Gender Dysphoria Bible to start. You may be able to start HRT sooner than you think, depending on where you are. There are programs that may help, or specialized clinics that offer cheaper care. A therapist, if you can afford it, is highly recommended!

    If you can’t or don’t want to medically transition, that’s totally valid, too! You could socially transition. Choosing a new name can be super difficult (ask me how I know) and voice training is likewise difficult and a slow process, and neither of these require anything but you and your mind. Clothing helps with dysphoria, as well as makeup/hair/nails/jewelry or even just social groups and hobbies. Thrift stores are likely to have cheap options for beginners.

    The other thing I would suggest is figuring out your support group. You do NOT have to do this alone. Whether it’s online communities like this one (<3 Blåhaj!) or real world friend groups or support groups, go find peers or allies.

    Welcome to the sisterhood! I hope you find yourself soon :)

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      +1 to Gender Dysphoria Bible and everything said above.

      If you decide to take HRT (highly recommend, btw), I suggest you educate yourself, read: https://transfemscience.org/articles/transfem-intro/

      Unfortunately doctors are pretty clueless about trans medicine, and you have to be educated and be ready to advocate for yourself (and change doctors if necessary).

      I don’t recommend oral HRT, injections are more effective - but read that transfem science intro and it should help you make informed decisions.

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          honestly same, I have needle phobia, e.g. I nearly pass out when getting blood drawn and I wasn’t sure I would ever be able to actually mentally put a needle into my body.

          But I learned ways to make it work - I inject subcutaneously instead of IM, so I use tiny needles that usually cause no pain at all. I learned a ton of different tricks to make injecting mentally doable for me and to reduce chances of passing out, and safe in case I do pass out. (Let me know if you want me to share those with you, I have a whole write-up about it.)

          I won’t lie - it was difficult for me at first. But it also got much easier than I ever thought it would, and now it’s pretty much trivial.

          I still decided injecting was worth it compared to other methods, and I stand by that in my results. I have had better feminization than trans women I know IRL who started HRT around the same time who just use pills.

          My endo agrees that pills are a terrible way to take estrogen, she points out that they cause massive spikes and dips throughout the day rather than maintaining a steady blood level. Also, like 80% of the estrogen is eliminated by the liver and doesn’t get into the blood-stream, so it’s just inefficient and an unnecessary tax on your liver (though I don’t think bioidentical oral estrogen is particularly risky, either).

          EDIT: if not pills or injections, transdermal is an option, but I consider it a better option post surgery, since I found I needed higher doses when I still had testes. In the U.S. you generally have to be on HRT for a year before they’ll do an orchiectomy (I wanted one immediately, but was gatekept for a year, and I got an orchi ASAP - literally within weeks of my 1 year HRT anniversary, highly recommend it - was great).

          Bicalutamide didn’t work for me as an anti-androgen, I suspect because it has weak impact on the central nervous system and wasn’t blocking biochemical dysphoria in my brain, which was the main reason I personally was on HRT.

          I never tried spiro but didn’t even want to try, it’s a very weak anti-androgen and has side effects and some risks, I just never thought it was a good idea when monotherapy was an option, which is easier with injections and not as feasible or reliable with transdermal routes (patches, gel).

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      Thanks, I’ll have to take some time to read that. Looks kinda a very long document. The problems I forsee with HRT are cost and medical. I’m looking at getting a job in aviation, and my research into the FAA medical examinations says that those who have been on HRT for less than 5 years are usually deferred to the FAA for additional review. I also have the unfortunate luck of being in Texas, and still live with and an on my parents’ insurance. Don’t want my family knowing because it won’t end well. I need to look at informed consent and what that actually means.

      Jesus there’s a lot to think about lol. I can’t even think of a name for a DND character, finding a new name for me is going to be is going to take a while

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        You might still be able to use something like Planned Parenthood to get coverage outside of your parents’ insurance. That said, this is going to be a recurring issue that you’ll have to address at some point. Your primary care physician needs to know you’re taking HRT because your blood tests will be… surprising if they don’t. I don’t know that to tell you about being in Texas. That’s a tough one, and I had a conversation with my own management recently about never going to that state for any reason, even if it meant losing my job. I don’t mean to scare you, but you should consider a move if you can figure it out. The GDB isn’t so long a read, it’s just really well organized. I devoured it in a day, not including the references. Those were saved for a later review. There’s a ton more info out there if you need it! Everywhere from Lemmy communities, to Reddit subs, to several private websites tracking resources. I found this one particularly useful, even if some of it can be a little out of date: Transgender Map. I had lots of the same questions that you do now, though my situation is different since I’m “over the hill” in my 40s, but you could take a look at the replies to a post I made over a month ago askig similar questions: Advice on finding doctors Hang in there! There’s always an option. You just have to decide which is right for you.

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          Yeah, I’m only going to be on the insurance plan for about a year more at most, so it’s not like it’s going to be forever. For primary care? I think the last time I visited a primary physician was like 12 years ago when I was 12. Haven’t really needed to and haven’t gotten sick aside from the occasional cold.

          I do plan on moving eventually as well, I’ll have to relocate for this job, but that could be in a few months or take up to a year, government being government. I have friends who are trans and they are also looking at moving.

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        There are also private HRT options like Folx and Plume, they’re more expensive but don’t require insurance (and they can ship the estrogen to you, I believe). (EDIT: +1 for Planned Parenthood, btw - the local trans women I know use PP for access to HRT without insurance.)

        Being in TX is not ideal, but I don’t know what to say other than you should move.

        Regardless of your career, being trans is unavoidable, it’s not a choice (maybe not how it feels right now, I get it), we know it’s a genetic condition and the only treatment known to help is medical transition … it’s like worrying about whether you should get treatment for diabetes because the FAA has special requirements for diabetics who need to take insulin. It’s not a realistic option to just not take insulin. While we live in a transphobic society that doesn’t recognize the medical importance of HRT for trans folks, for many of us (and maybe you too), it’s not that different of a comparison.

        I didn’t really appreciate this point until I was on HRT, though - I still balk at how long I lived without estrogen, it boggles the mind that I didn’t die (I nearly did a few times, looking back). Before then, there was no way I would believe HRT was an essential medication.

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      I am considering sending the gender dysphoria bible to my parents. But I fear that my mom will read only one part and then attack me with it because that particular part does not apply to me…

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    1st, congratulations!

    2nd, this is a friendly reminder that DIY is safe, reliable, not subject to the gatekeeping of providers or insurance, inexpensive (I.e. $200 can provide you with a lifetime supply), and does not leave a paper trail if you’re in a jurisdiction where that might be a concern.

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      $200 is on the cheap end for buying raws for a lifetime supply, I would put that more like $300 - 500 depending on route of administration (the quantity of raws you need to make a lifetime supply of estrogel is different than for homebrewing your own injectable vials) - but either way, I don’t think homebrewing from raws is a reasonable starting place for most people, and I can’t tell if that’s even what you’re suggesting.

      Vials expire because the oils in them go rancid after a year or two, so I’m not sure what you have in mind for getting a lifetime supply for $200, I would budget for around $100 / year for injectable vials, maybe more esp. since we can anticipate supply chain problems and crackdowns in the long term.

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        I am in fact suggesting that one could choose to do injectables from raws. There’s every indication that raws themselves are shelf stable if stored properly and the learning curve is quite shallow, particularly if you’re doing terminal heat sterilization. The numbers I’ve read give a lifetime of ~5 years for prepared vials and indicate that the rubber stoppers are the weak point, but if you’re preparing your own vials, that’s sort of irrelevant. It takes maybe an hour to prep a vial, which if you’re doing 10ml of estradiol enanthate at 50mg/ml, will last most people at least a year at a sane dosage.

        Given the fact that many places are literally sliding daily into fascism, I see no other viable way than DIY for folks to ensure their supply going forward and injectables are the cheapest way to do that (and are likely much better for your health than oral, which is what almost every doctor will start you on). The exact price was not my point- those I imagine will be changing somewhat daily given the state of things. I was mostly just letting OP know that she does not have to be subject to waiting lists or hoops to jump through if she doesn’t want to.

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          huh, well - I like where your head is at, but I do think it’s an unrealistic expectation that the average person will 1. be able to afford the lab equipment, and 2. be able to use that lab equipment competently to homebrew their own vials safely. (Terminal heat sterilization is criticized as a method because steam doesn’t reach the inside of the vial, there is a bit of controversy on this within the DIY community AFAIK, generally the preservatives are being relied on too much in those cases. I think filtering is one way to help with the risks but there are additional complications with that, and it is onerous and takes a long time, esp. if you are filtering many vials.)

          The standards realistically should be even lower for trans populations, considering we tend on average to struggle depression and executive functioning more, tend to be poor and struggle with unemployment, tend to be less educated & literate, and so on.

          I guess my point is that homebrewing from raws is maybe an option for a small percent of the trans population (I would guess less than 10% of us), but realistically the people who can homebrew should probably be thinking about becoming distributors within their local communities (and picking up testosterone raws and making T vials accessible as well so half the trans population isn’t dropped). That’s a tall order (and a big risk), but I think it’s more realistic in terms of guaranteeing HRT than assuming most of us can homebrew ourselves.

          Either way, it’s true that DIY exists and that OP can access HRT without medical gatekeepers (though you will face other barriers, like having to navigate grey markets that might be daunting for people who don’t have familiarity with crypto or computers). Thanks for holding down for DIY!

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          I think 4 - 5 years is rather optimistic. I agree it’s commonly stated vials can last that long, and that it’s possible, but the reason I don’t communicate that to a beginner is that you can’t always count on every vial lasting that long - it’s like a best case scenario, not the default you should rely on when organizing your stockpile.

          Oils can go rancid and turn cloudy after a year or two. It depends partially on the oils used to make your vial and the conditions under which they were manufactured, shipped, and then stored. As pointed out already, the rubber stopper is another issue - I think with DIY coring is more of a risk because EEn vials are used for much longer than EV vials you get from a pharmacy. In addition to all of this, the FDA recommends not using a vial longer than a month due to the repeated contamination of the vial from puncturing the rubber stop over and over. While preservatives in the vial help reduce the risk, and the FDA guideline is thus ignored by most of us in the community, it’s still legitimate advice aimed to reduce possibility of infections (and we as a community are taking risks not because it’s the safest for our health but for economic reasons).

          All these factors make it seem a little irresponsible in my mind to not communicate a different range, though it’s absolutely fair to point out vials can last 4 - 5 years in optimal cases.

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    Advice about HRT: physical changes happen very slowly. Mental effects happen much quicker. You can start it and see if it helps you feel more comfortable (happened within days for me) and stop if it isn’t good for you.
    In the event that it is something you want, you will be happy that you started it earlier rather than later.

    Edit: to be clear when I say “very slowly” for physical changes, I mean months. Do what you need to do if being visibly trans isn’t feasible within the next year.

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      While changes are visible within months, it’s impressive how people just won’t notice even if you aren’t exactly hiding it. This is especially true for people who see you often, but I’ve seen it happen with people I hadn’t seen in a long time. Ymmv both on the amount of changes and how much people notice though. I’ve been impressed by how oblivious most people are.

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        yeah, it’s like once their brain knows to interpret you as one gender it’s hard for them to see you differently, I had a neighbor say that after I shaved my beard it’s like a became 10 years younger (this was like after 8 months of being on estrogen, I looked radically different and at that point most people gendered me as a woman).

        Julia Serano talks about this in Whipping Girl, which I recommend for pretty much anyone to read, but especially trans women whose eggs recently have cracked.

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          When I came out to my moms, one of them commented about how I “suddenly had boobs” - it wasn’t sudden and I had been wondering for a couple months if they might notice before I got around to saying something (had been on E for 6 months at that point - granted the first 3-month dosage was in the low-side).

          People still default gender me as male though - even those who didn’t know me until recently and I’ve reached the 1 year mark.

          Whipping girl is a good read, but I wish she’d release a new edition without of the NB-phobic-seeming stuff taking up so much space (not saying she is NB-phobic)

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            Ha, that is hilarious - that sounds right, once they knew to look for feminine traits suddenly they could see what was already there. Funny how the mind is so opinionated in what it sees (and doesn’t).

            I think the cis-passing tipping point for me was between 8 - 12 months, but voice training played a big role in that. Though I’m also full-femme and don’t try to boymode or anything like that 😅

            About Whipping Girl: I think that’s a common sentiment, and one I sorta feel just for the reason that I don’t want to give newcomers the wrong impression. But on the other hand I’m upset that the main trans culture ceded so much language and power to enby-phobic gatekeeping transmedicalists, a label like transsexual still seems useful to me, and ironically I think “transgender” has become the new “transsexual”, to indicate someone who medically transitioned. Meanwhile, “trans” has become the new “transgender” as a more inclusive umbrella term that applies broadly, including genderqueer and non-medically-transitioning folks.

            The language is certainly out of date, though. Relatedly, I found this article by Julia from 2011 about the language divide which you may find interesting (a little time capsule of history):

            https://archive.is/2w5xo

            (sorry for the awkward link, the original link is censored because blog spot dot com is a common domain in spam links apparently)

            I just assume the language will continue to evolve, though - who knows what is next. Personally I wonder if in the future using trans as an adjective to a noun like man or woman might become taboo, in the same way that emphasizing the assigned gender is already becoming taboo (i.e. a preference is forming for referring to the gender someone identifies as rather than the gender they were assigned, so “trans woman” is preferred to emphasizing someone was “AMAB”). Terms like “biologically male” or “biologically female” etc. are also already becoming taboo as well. I had to get my therapist to rewrite her letter authorizing my surgery because she referred to me as a “biological male” - perhaps a useful distinction in her mind, but I pointed out the ways it doesn’t actually make sense as a term and why she might not want to use it in the future.

            I could also imagine the whole binary dichotomy of man and woman getting questioned, I know the “beyond the binary” moment happened already with Leslie Feinberg and Kate Bornstein, though that does somewhat conflict with binary trans people who have attachments to a particular gender expression, but I do think non-binary political identities have become more popular as a way to push back against the violence and oppression that comes along with enforced gender norms.

            Hard to tell where things are going, and maybe none of these changes will happen anytime soon due to the extreme anti-trans backlash, though I suspect within the trans community there will continue to be changes anyway - maybe the moment needs unity more than distinction (partially a reason for the anti-gatekeeping taboo, because transmedicalist gatekeeping creates a wedge and breaks up useful political alliances as Julia mentions in her article), in which case maybe “transgender” will itself become a target for taboo as if it becomes appropriated as a wedge.

            Anyway, sorry for rambling, lol

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      100%, start with HRT - you can take it for a few months without any permanent changes, and it can be extremely clarifying and a useful as a diagnostic step, as well as significantly improve mental health and well-being, making everything else easier.

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    Welcome to the sisterhood! :)

    I am in a similar place to you (trans fem NB, mid 20s, in the US, egg recently cracked), and I can share what I’ve found helpful so far.

    First thing you should do is take a deep breath. Transitioning is a marathon, not a sprint. And you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to!

    If HRT isn’t an option right away, there is a lot you can do with clothes and makeup, like trying out skirts, painting your nails, getting your ears pierced, and growing your hair out. Voice training is also something you can do, and I know a lot of people say that the sooner you start, the better, even if it’s just a few minutes of practice a day.

    I second reading Whipping Girl, with the caveat that some of the language is outdated. Another book that I liked even more was Yes, You Are Trans Enough by Mia Violet. It’s a really good read!

    EDIT: Also, I should have mentioned - if you don’t have one already, getting booked with a gender-affirming therapist is a good idea too

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      Thanks! lots of reading I’ll have to do. As for a therapist, is that really something that’s absolutely recommended? It’s a little expensive and I haven’t really felt the need for one, even before all this. I’ve kinda just been existing, no real problems that I can think of, mentally or otherwise.

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        No problem! And not necessarily, but it’s worth thinking about. Even if you don’t have mental health problems to discuss with them, a therapist can help you get referrals and or write letters for other doctors you might want see

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      Yes! Things that take a long time (roughly in descending order) are:

      1. Growing your hair out (although wigs and extensions can help in the meantime)
      2. Hair removal (laser; electrolysis takes more time)
      3. Voice training (it really is training: the techniques are pretty easy to get the hang of; you just need to keep working at it to make it second nature)
      4. Getting enough time on hormones to start reading as feminine
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    Cool!

    The great thing is this: you don’t have to do anything, and there isn’t a set order if you do decide to transition. Take your time and listen to your heart, now that you figured it out. You’ll probably find that whatever steps you want/need to take will reveal themselves to you before long.

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    I hate to bring up this point, but depending on the location / country you live in transition might be a risky plan. Mostly because the there government hates the idea of us existing.

    Currently I would give a stark warning for anyone in the US, followed by most parts of the middle east, china and russia. Cant speak for the rest of asia / oceania. Europe should be safe, most dangers here come less from the government directly but usually single parties. Make sure to check legislation in your area.

    Also your community might not always approof of the idea, especially very conservative or religious fundamental ones.

    Whatever you do, stay safe and informed. Good luck on your journey!

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      Realistically for many of us, living in fear and not transitioning is often much worse than the reality of transitioning, and there are functioning gender clinics in both the U.S. and China, and there are no laws outright criminalizing trans people in those countries.

      The Middle East and Russia are worse, those are places maybe worth moving out of first.

      The U.S. is also still one of the best places to be trans, with some of the strongest laws and protections of any country in the world. Canada and certain western European countries are better, but I would not avoid transitioning because you live in the U.S. - this is still currently an objectively great place to transition, even as the situation is changing.

      EDIT: I should say, I live in one of the worst states in the U.S. for trans rights. Fear played a role in keeping me from transitioning for a long time, which I deeply regret and resulted in masculinization I can’t reverse. I lived here through the 90s and the world was a much less safe place then for trans people in many ways.

      So I was shocked once I socially transitioned that for the most part people were indifferent to me when I was visibly trans - the worst situation I experienced personally was the TSA refusing to pat me down.

      To my surprise, a lot of people went out of their way to be kind to me, to compliment me, to make me feel included. These experiences far outnumbered the concrete instances hate and stigma I experienced.

      That said, some of my sisters lost their jobs due to discrimination, and that’s not uncommon. Some remain stealth even having medically transitioned for years now and relatively cis passing, so as absurd as it sounds, that might be an option if your employer is overtly conservative (i.e. medically transition while remaining closeted at work).

      Also, the risks from being trans are compounded by being a person of color, a trans woman, poor, and whether you are a sex worker. If you are white and middle class, the risks of violence are very different.