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The original was posted on /r/technology by /u/Logical_Welder3467 on 2025-04-13 23:19:24+00:00.
No, thank you. Provide your own basic income. Life ain’t a charity. The population isn’t your subsidizer.
The population is subsidizing you. Everybody subsidizes everyone. That’s how society works.
UBI raises everyone’s standard of living, both in practice and in theory.
Joined 7 hours ago and only posts certified shit takes with inflammatory language. Get ratioed troll, lol
“Ratioed”? Are you 14? On a platform where votes don’t even matter of all places too.🤣 “Certified shit takes” = differing opinions in an echo chamber.
The population is already your subsidizer, even if you work and regardless of how much you make.
Hello Reddit!
Plenty of thing in life are achieved by people working for free in association and other things. Consumer and citizen association are working for a long time in history to makes everyone life better. Not everything can be ruled by economic insensitive. Some things dont generate money , like safety , laws , regulation , most of research and very niche technology. Some exceptionnaly rare disease wouldnt have any research advancement until some very rich kids get it , some technology for disabled , sick people wouldnt exist without being subsided.
Some book , art , tools wouldnt be created without some people being born from rich parents, because they wouldnt be able to do anything else than work otherwise. If you acknowledge that , you can understand that an universal salary would profite not only for the poorest , but also for everyone else , with more research, creation and devellopment being made by everyone and not only rich kid that got time and money.
Then it depend if you priority is to have a better society or to just increase inequality. Not for you to be richer , but for you to feel better about being slightly less poor than most.
I think it should. It fixes a lot of issues. There’s enough wealth out there that this concept could actually work. Any thriving nation should have a universal basic income to prevent all its citizens from succumbing to poverty. What’ do you think are the cons here?
The population is, just as much as you are the populations. The benefit of living in a society must be a two way street, but long gone are the days where honest work earns you an honest living.
UBI is a safety net for people that lose their jobs/can’t work. What are people supposed to do if no one is hiring? What are people supposed to do when companies lay off their workforce so shareholders can make more profits at the end of the year?
Besides, UBI is the bare minimum to keep a person alive. No one is buying their fifth yacht with UBI money (usually that comes from corporate welfare money).
More to the point, what are people supposed to do when all labor is automated and the 1% own all the robots?
At one point I felt similar to the person above. Tho I felt ubi was a bribe. As if to day we get things are bad so here’s some cash instead of solutions. I’ve since changed my mind on the matter. We need to be able to provide for people not corporations.
All UBI proposals I’ve seen don’t get anywhere near what you’d need to live off, and even worse, it’s sometimes sold as a way to gut other social programs. We definitely need to do something if we really are going into a world where AI is taking jobs, but it needs to be something better (maybe just provide free housing, and other basic necessities if AI can provide us with unlimited stuff anyway?).
But the way things are going, the billionaires just want to make their own personal wealth grow and don’t think what would happen to the rest of us in the future they’re imagining.
Then they aren’t “UBI,” by definition. The “Basic” part means “enough to pay for basic necessities.”
About 163 million out of 340 million people work. The rest are subsidized.
Hell, the massively wealthy like Musk are propped up with corporate welfare.
What do you mean? Musk worked hard to get where he is. How easy do you think it is to steal emeralds from your father and pawn them to get seed money to start your own wealth? /s
Soon as corporations and “investors” provide their own wealth instead of extracting it from society.
Corporations and investors provide society with goods, services, jobs and innovation. What do bums who need “universal basic income” provide again?
In general, recipients of UBI end up in better employment positions than they had before receiving UBI. That means they pay more in taxes and contribute more to society. They also are in better health, which means those that were truly poor and on medicaid before, are no longer costing society as much in medical costs.
But keep licking that boot.
Is that why they need free land and government money so much?
“Need it”? They simply want it & they have the leverage to get it. It’s a symbiotic relationship. Same way I’ll gladly do a valuable person a favor, but won’t help a bum. I get nothing out of it.
Congrats, the rich have you convinced that your only value is helping them get rich under the guise that anyone who doesn’t is a bum, which is designed to make you feel like a big boy. Your utter lack of empathy is showing. You will never truly be a part of their club, they may tell you are, but the doors will never quite open for you, because in reality YOU are the bum to the rich.
I was lucky enough to be born to rich parents. Life’s not fair, sucks to suck I guess. Don’t have kids if you don’t have money, they’ll have a shitty life. Easy way to prevent the unfairness of life.
When you see people on Lemmy casually joking about eating the rich, they’re talking about you.
Then step out your parents door without a cent and see how long til you’re some bum, apparently undeserving of kindness or empathy. During slavery, slaves were told they weren’t in the right position for children either. All this technological advancement and according to you it’s still down to the exploited to accept the joys of life aren’t of their station.
Christ. You sound indistinguishable from me when I was a 21 year old know-nothing piece of shit. Now I’m embarrassed for both of us.
You seem to have turned up just fine.
And yet they won’t “invest” without them. Curious.
Not shitting outside, and catching or dying from treatable diseases, and income tax if they get a job. If they don’t have to live outside, everyone benefits.
You know, you’d get it too. The population is the beneficiary. The subsidizer would be people like Musk and Dorsey. by taxing them.
I don’t need handouts. The subsidizer would be the populace through taxes, which doesn’t include only wealthy people. Also, just because you have a lot of money doesn’t mean you have an obligation to support bums.
Want this also you?
You already got your handouts.
said the kid who also mentions that his parents are rich… JFK get a clue dude
I don’t see the contradiction. Parents owe their kids a great life as they’re the ones who brought them into this world. People don’t owe strangers (bums) anything.
If anything you owe your parents for bringing you into the world and letting you be a freeloader for 18 years.
What an entitled dipshit.
Not universally true. In many cultures, children are owed very little by their parents and are seen as a workforce and economic component of the family. The more kids, the more farm hands, the more secure the family is. Happy to direct you to some reading and sources.
Thinking parents “owe” their kids is a privileged perspective based on material wealth and access, compared to the rest of the world; also in terms of the culture and society you lucked into that allows you agency to live a free life.
It’s not about empathy or kindness or any of that dumb shit.
It’s about the simple fact that capitalist economics can’t exist in perpetuity without an exploitable population, if most people are no longer able to work, push enough people to enough desperation and they will kill you if it keeps them warm, and there ain’t enough bullets in the world that’ll stop all of them.
On the other hand if you make sure the people have their bread, then one of them might become the nurse that’ll make you comfortable when you pass away, or a scientist that’ll cure you when you’re sick, or a techbro who’ll invent something that you’ll like, or a writer who’ll make a good show you’ll enjoy, or whatever, really.
If you’re a true egoist, you’re an altruist also. Libertarianism would’ve been cool, but it just isn’t actually possible, and people like Musk aren’t libertarians, no libertarian could argue against trans people because a true lolbert would know it’s people’s economics freedom all the same.
People like Musk are actual nazis who keep the wignaggery on the DL because it’s unpalatable. They’re not your friends, but collectively (rather than individually), humanity is your friend.
Libertarians are like house cats; completely convinced of their independent while being completely dependent on others.
You know why governments exist? Like, at their core? To take care of the fucking people living under them. It’s why village A stopped attacking village B, cuz they realized that, if they pooled their resources, they could defend against the fucking leopards and bears better. So yes, your taxes would go up. But you know what? Unless you’re actually rich, and not even like net worth of 3 million dollars or something, that ain’t even rich, but unless you’re RICH rich, you’ll get more throught that “handout” than you would pay in taxes. And the fact that it’d be funded through your taxes means it’s not even a handout to begin with! It’s a government SERVICE. The thing that made banding together in groups of more than a dozen people sound like a good idea in the first place.
Now, as for your point of having a lot of money not obligating you to support bums… well, first. Fuck you. You’re an asshole. And second, 50% of homeless people in the US are former foster kids that aged out of the system and have no support network. So I guess just fuck them, they get to die on the streets, right? Bad luck to not be born with wealthy parents. And historically, having a lot of money DID mean you had an obligation to support these so called “bums”. From the '40s to 1963, the top tax rates were ~90%. On the ultra wealthy. The Rockefellers and whatnots. Now it’s what? I dunno, 30%? That is, if you don’t use creative accounting and just make it .01%, which we all know is the typical practice. It’s not a handout, it’s making these rich beyond rich fucking assholes pay their fair share. But you can keep licking that boot, because, sure. Someday, YOU’LL make it. And when you have more money than you can possibly use in your great grandchildren’s lifetimes, it’ll be really important to you to keep some just turned 18 year old kid, who bounced around the foster system his whole life, and has no support system at all, out of housing. Good for you.
Considering the only way to amass that much wealth is by hoarding it away from those “bums”, I’d argue that they do have an obligation to support the population.
You are the worst kind of person, callous and completely lacking in empathy. You might not be the one who takes someone’s final breath directily, but you do cause the early death of many by denying society’s responsibility to care for the less fortunate.