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The original was posted on /r/technology by /u/Logical_Welder3467 on 2025-04-13 23:19:24+00:00.
I don’t need handouts. The subsidizer would be the populace through taxes, which doesn’t include only wealthy people. Also, just because you have a lot of money doesn’t mean you have an obligation to support bums.
Want this also you?
You already got your handouts.
said the kid who also mentions that his parents are rich… JFK get a clue dude
I don’t see the contradiction. Parents owe their kids a great life as they’re the ones who brought them into this world. People don’t owe strangers (bums) anything.
If anything you owe your parents for bringing you into the world and letting you be a freeloader for 18 years.
What an entitled dipshit.
Not universally true. In many cultures, children are owed very little by their parents and are seen as a workforce and economic component of the family. The more kids, the more farm hands, the more secure the family is. Happy to direct you to some reading and sources.
Thinking parents “owe” their kids is a privileged perspective based on material wealth and access, compared to the rest of the world; also in terms of the culture and society you lucked into that allows you agency to live a free life.
It’s not about empathy or kindness or any of that dumb shit.
It’s about the simple fact that capitalist economics can’t exist in perpetuity without an exploitable population, if most people are no longer able to work, push enough people to enough desperation and they will kill you if it keeps them warm, and there ain’t enough bullets in the world that’ll stop all of them.
On the other hand if you make sure the people have their bread, then one of them might become the nurse that’ll make you comfortable when you pass away, or a scientist that’ll cure you when you’re sick, or a techbro who’ll invent something that you’ll like, or a writer who’ll make a good show you’ll enjoy, or whatever, really.
If you’re a true egoist, you’re an altruist also. Libertarianism would’ve been cool, but it just isn’t actually possible, and people like Musk aren’t libertarians, no libertarian could argue against trans people because a true lolbert would know it’s people’s economics freedom all the same.
People like Musk are actual nazis who keep the wignaggery on the DL because it’s unpalatable. They’re not your friends, but collectively (rather than individually), humanity is your friend.
Libertarians are like house cats; completely convinced of their independent while being completely dependent on others.
You know why governments exist? Like, at their core? To take care of the fucking people living under them. It’s why village A stopped attacking village B, cuz they realized that, if they pooled their resources, they could defend against the fucking leopards and bears better. So yes, your taxes would go up. But you know what? Unless you’re actually rich, and not even like net worth of 3 million dollars or something, that ain’t even rich, but unless you’re RICH rich, you’ll get more throught that “handout” than you would pay in taxes. And the fact that it’d be funded through your taxes means it’s not even a handout to begin with! It’s a government SERVICE. The thing that made banding together in groups of more than a dozen people sound like a good idea in the first place.
Now, as for your point of having a lot of money not obligating you to support bums… well, first. Fuck you. You’re an asshole. And second, 50% of homeless people in the US are former foster kids that aged out of the system and have no support network. So I guess just fuck them, they get to die on the streets, right? Bad luck to not be born with wealthy parents. And historically, having a lot of money DID mean you had an obligation to support these so called “bums”. From the '40s to 1963, the top tax rates were ~90%. On the ultra wealthy. The Rockefellers and whatnots. Now it’s what? I dunno, 30%? That is, if you don’t use creative accounting and just make it .01%, which we all know is the typical practice. It’s not a handout, it’s making these rich beyond rich fucking assholes pay their fair share. But you can keep licking that boot, because, sure. Someday, YOU’LL make it. And when you have more money than you can possibly use in your great grandchildren’s lifetimes, it’ll be really important to you to keep some just turned 18 year old kid, who bounced around the foster system his whole life, and has no support system at all, out of housing. Good for you.
Considering the only way to amass that much wealth is by hoarding it away from those “bums”, I’d argue that they do have an obligation to support the population.
You are the worst kind of person, callous and completely lacking in empathy. You might not be the one who takes someone’s final breath directily, but you do cause the early death of many by denying society’s responsibility to care for the less fortunate.