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honeybees are an invasive species, fun fact
unfortunately they outcompeted a lot of the native pollinators so we’re fucked without them though
humans are a more invasive species, probably the most
No “probably” about it.
Dunno man. That army ant seems pretty powerful too.
Also, what about bamboo
and don’t get me started on tumbleweed
I know it’s likely pesticides, but have we officially ruled out bee assassins?
You mean wasps? They have been pretty quiet lately…
i personally just think the bees are sentient and have depression
Isn’t pesticides just bee assassination on a mass scale? Thus, I argue, we cannot not yet rule that out.
Idk, I heard that trans people and immigrants are murdering bees.
Ah cmon now, stop spreading conspiracy theories. They probably just couldn’t prove citizenship and were deported.
All those darn African killer bees! Stealing all the jobs!
I was worried so I looked for the source of the information, it seems to be from 'Washington State University" from their website they say it concerns “Commercial honey bee colony”, so it might not be all bees (I don’t know enough to say what the difference is exactly), they say “60 to 70% losses” (not 80), and they also say “Over the past decade, annual losses have typically ranged between 40 and 50%.”, so it is probably worrying but not as much as the CBS article was making it seem.
This story is about domesticated honeybees, which have been declining for decades due to Colony Collapse Disorder and other stressors. Native North American bees are in their own long-term decline, with 1 in 4 species at risk of extinction. However, domesticated honeybees are tremendously important for the pollination and yield of many crops important to humans, and this population drop, thought to be the largest annual losses seen, should be considered in the context of the longer decline, and the possibility that we could hit a tipping point when pollination, and a crucial pillar of our food system, could fail.
so worry but not panicking yet. gotcha, nothing will be done then.
I don’t know whether you were satiric or not, but it feels like it, hard to tell on a text medium. No hard feelings either way 😄
If you were “mocking my post in a satiric way”: I didn’t mean to say that nothing should be done or that it was not a reason to worry. I actually believe we should protect our ecosystems, but I think we need accurate data and this kind of posts, even if they convey the “right” message according to me, are misleading and create false information about what is going on. I truly believe we should try to avoid doing this.
Part of the panicking should be wild bees. They’re dying at accelerated rates.
We also know why, commercial bee keeping is part of it, as is hobbies bee keeping.
And pesticides… and monoculture farming.
This is a really good article with some charts that make clear global bee populations are not nosediving. https://earth.org/data_visualization/bees-are-not-declining-everywhere-a-global-perspective-on-population-trends/
So there’s just 6,328 other crises to worry about…
Old age probably.
Winter?
That’s $15 billion worth of crops.
They just can’t break out of that frame, even when the topic is EVERY LIVING THING FUCKING STARVING TO DEATH.
We could always eat the rich.
Everybody says this. Nobody posts recipes.
They’re hoarding all the wealth and are a rich source of vitamins and minerals
The inherent problem with that is how few there are. Don’t get me wrong–yes, let’s do that, too.
It’s a good starting point. I have a feeling a lot of other solutions will become possible after that step.
Think of the shareholders!
But also
“there are now an all-time high number of honeybee colonies in the US – 3.8m, around 1m more than five years previously.”
According to the guardian
This is why we’re doomed.
We’re pretty sure it’s the Monsanto pesticide and anyone who suggests it is hit with a litigation threat. Curiously, as we’re speed-breeding domesticated bees the wild bees are dying out faster, so as the bee population dwindles it also becomes more domesticated and less wild. I know that’s a bad thing, but I am fuzzy on the why details.
I’m a brown thumb, and plants wilt as my shadow falls on them, but if you’re a green-thumb, plant pollinators, which will help the bees.
Also plant milkweed for the monarchs.
Plant native. Plants that are native to your ecosystem. Those are the true pollinator powerhouse plants that bees need to survive
I forget the term for non native, non invasive plants (naturalized?) but those are good too. Native is best, of course. I see a ton of carpenter bees (native bees to my area) on my red clover (non native, non invasive).
Unfortunately, naturalized plants are not good. It’s a scale, with invasive plants being extremely bad. Naturalized plants aren’t as bad. But still bad
In the end, our native insects rely on native plants (with extremely few exceptions to not be distracted by). A native plant can support hundreds or even thousands of species.
A non native / naturalized plants cannot support even a fraction of that. They can also support… Non native insects. Which in turn fuck up the ecosystem, either by displacement or direct damage.
I’m not gonna tell you to rip out naturalized plants like clover. I’m not gonna say you should destroy your garden. You should just know that native plants are superior in literally every possible way, and your NEXT plant choices should be as native as you can get :)
If you can suggest native ground cover that is low maintenance and easy to start I’d consider it. I’m not going to put plugs in my yard when I can just over seed with clover. Clover is strictly better than turf grass.
It is better than turf, but I’m not talking about grass lawns, I’m talking about plants like for a garden. It’s better to have more garden plant masses, less grass lawn.
Most people don’t need as much lawn as they have and reducing down to more what you actually use is great, but it’s totally situational.
If you wanted a NorthEast suggestion for general ground cover I’d say wild strawberry. But if it’s like … Lawn then just stick with what you’re doing.
Some beekeepers actually mentioned that they’ve been scraping the beeswax clean off their hives more frequently because its known that the beeswax collects pesticides and herbicides over time which affects the colony due to exposure.
The problem is its not just monsanto acid, there’s a ton of other issues also correlated like weather/climate, seasonal flowering, untreated parasites, bacteria, etc.
We’ve literally nuked the environment so hard that even if we fix one problem, the population will not make a full bounce back (although I would think monsanto is the biggest threat)
Biggest scam of this century was corporate produce monoliths convincing people Organic was about health and not the fact that it doesn’t use a scorched earth policy and scam one off hybrid plant seeds to grow food which has been setting us up for a widespread fammine for decades.
Some random superweed is gonna crossbreed with some rapid out of control growth plant and wipe out half of the food chain.
It’s Bayer’s now. Monsanto sold it to Bayer when they started getting heat for neonicotinoids killing all the bees.
I’ll hop in here and add that your locality probably does pesticide fogging/spraying. For what it is worth, you can ask them not you spray your property. Make some local wildflower patches in your yard. Less stuff you have to mow, more food and habitat for native birds and insects. It’s a win-win.
Also, the domesticated bees are generally honeybees. And unfortunately, honeybee and wild bees don’t fulfill the same rile, so even if we replaced wild bees with honeybees 1:1, we still wouldn’t be able to polinate everything.
Care about the environment? Great me too. Thats why im asking ya’ll to sign up for the General strike.
Share it with your family, friends, social media.
I am in Canada. But I wholly support this. We must defeat the cheeto madman.
As one stuck in Cheetoland, I deeply apologize for what he’s doing despite the efforts that had been undertaken to stop him and if he does end up attempting to annex your nation, I want you to know I preemptively surrender and defect to the Canadian Armed Forces.
Shame. The US is a beautiful country and psycho cult rednecks have let deregulation ruin such beautiful wilderness.
The longer I live the more I see modern civilization collapse inevitable and happening in the relatively near future.
How the fuck do you even prepare for something like that?
Fall back to the fundamentals - communities, you’re part of many, join more. The people in your community can work together for survival or or turn against each other. You have a chance if you work with people, but not much of one if you try to lone wolf it. History is prologue. (your community should include everyone you can get on board, I’m not saying huddle up, I’m saying join the fight - It’s wealth disparity and it’s a global war)
If we were to do that now, we could take it all back in a week, but we won’t do that. Humans have to lose something important to them before they really take a look around and desperation kicks in, and too many aren’t seeing much difference yet. If you really connect to your community, they’ll see your suffereing or someone elses and that might be the catalist for them, but we’re easy to pick off piecemeal and lazy as fuck, so we’re losing meters every day.
There’s volumes of context here and I’m getting dragged into minutia, but we die apart, live together. That’s the formula, history proves it.
U don’t. U just watch it collapse. If u cannot control something, don’t worry too much. That’s my take. Enjoy everyday.
Bees live less than two months, so if 80% of bees died in the last 8 months that would suggest a sharp recent increase. And even if you take it as read that it means bees dying and not being replaced, 8 months is still a terrible timeframe to use because it’s literally saying “there are 80% fewer bees now, at the tail end of winter, than there were at the height of bee season”.
I’m not saying there isn’t a bee crisis, just that this factoid is very badly worded.
Without looking at data it could also mean “beginning 8 months ago we noticed a downwards trend of bees compared to the prior year(s) that culminates to an 80% decline at the time of writing.”
LETS KEEP PUMPING CAPITALISM UP
NEW IPHONE WITH AI LETS GOOOOO
Sorry for getting all excited, it’s just we don’t have much time.
it’s the European honey bee that’s dying in unprecedented numbers
but it’s not all bees
European honey bees are the easy button for farmers but they are going to have to decide if pesticide is more important or not
this nobody knows what’s happening is bullshit provided by the likes of the Monsanto and other chemical companies
They (save for a smarter minority) are 100% gonna decide that pesticides are more important. Until they learn they aren’t, but it will be too late.
The company that makes roundup and the GMO plants that can resist it will decide for them
Roundup is an herbicide, not a pesticide.
I guess I am going to be that guy…
Roundup is a pesticide. It is an herbicide, but it also is a pesticide. As are insecticides, fungicides, etc. Pesticide is the catch all, herbicide is the descriptive.
I appreciate your sacrifice. It would’ve been me if not you
Say what you will about RFK, but he’s broken clock right on a couple of issues, pesticides being one of them. Sure, maybe his rationale isn’t right, but his end game may be a benefit. Unfortunately it’s at odds with Trump’s complete destruction of regulation, but he (RFK) seems to be chugging along. I think making America healthy is good; I don’t think pesticides or ultra processed foods make kids transgender.
I’m not too up to date with this story, but haven’t pesticides been used for forever now? Why would the suddenly cause a 80% drop in population?
I think bee populations are under threat from pesticides, habitat reduction, disease, climate change, nutrition, et cetera.
Of that list, pesticides are probably the easiest to solve.
Different pesticides?
neonicotinoids were invited in the 1980s and it’s been recently understood that it’s like a forever chemical. it will get into the dirt and go through the plants and pass on through pollen
It’s not the same pesticides year over year. My bet is some MBA pushed a tweak to the formula for short term gains.
resist
Finedust from traffic, mircoplastics, insecticides, GMO infertile weeds… etc. Bayer as well.
Haven’t you heard? Bayer and Monsanto are one. And Dow and Dupont have fused too. Together, Bayer-Monsanto and Dow-Dupont control over 60% of all grain seed production in the world. All your wheat, corn, rice… it’s all in the hands of these 2 companies.
It may not be related but forest fires are raging in many US states and it isn’t even summer yet
Was it to make room to fit the 690% increase in newborns?
The running thought is these non-native European honeybees couldn’t find forage at the right times due to climate change and these massive commercial hives died. That’s why introduced species as a monoculture don’t work out so well.
Okay, but European honeybees in the US aren’t exactly new afaik. That would be like if all of the sudden, 80% of wild horses up and die and the answer is “well, they’re an introduced species, so it only makes sense”.
