It might be difficult as Israel has threatened the use of Nuclear weaponry in the past if the US were to stop their aid.
In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador informed President Nixon that “very serious conclusions” may occur if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen by some commentators on the subject as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option.
North Korea threatens the US with nukes all the time, and yet no one is bowing down to the Kim’s demands.
Israel has 3 options with its nuke threat, empty words and become an international pariah state, nuke Palestine and by extension itself, or nuke the US.
IIRC some of the radical extremely right wing Israeli figures have been suggesting that the last-ditch Samson option would be to nuke basically anyone they can in retaliation for the destruction of Israel.
In 2003, a military historian, Martin van Creveld, thought that the Second Intifada then in progress threatened Israel’s existence. Van Creveld was quoted in David Hirst’s The Gun and the Olive Branch (2003) as saying:
We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets for our air force. Let me quote General Moshe Dayan: ‘Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother.’ I consider it all hopeless at this point. We shall have to try to prevent things from coming to that, if at all possible. Our armed forces, however, are not the thirtieth strongest in the world, but rather the second or third. We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under.
Without wading in to the host of other issues with your comment, at the bare minimum you have to acknowledge that Israel and North Korea have very different nuclear capabilities. There’s a reason a nuclear threat from Russia, for example, is taken more seriously than North Korea.
The US is one of dozens of countries sending military aid to Israel, who has been an active defender of UD interested for 80 years under over a dozen administrative.
If the US dogs all weapons tomorrow, they still have enough weapons for an indefinite war and the us throws away any diplomatic leverage.
Biden has gone from complete support to directly contradicting netanyahu that the US won’t support an extended war and that the US is focused on a 2-state solution and that Israel wind down their current massacre.
Israel didn’t, Biden met and talked with netanyahus political rival.
Biden sent direct humanitarian aid against netanyahus wishes.
Biden is opening up a port to safely deliver more Palestinian aid against netanyahus wishes.
For the leader of a country indirectly involved in the war, Biden is doing a lot in four months to diplomatically address the massacre.
Immediately cutting off all weapons to a 70-yeat tacit and 50-year very active ally would severely damage the trust and reputation of the US to its committed allies.
Cutting off all aid also means that Israel has no reason to listen to the us at all now or in the future and the us throws away all credibility as an indirect influential ally diplomatically drawing down the massacre.
Talking with political opponents to netanyahu, sending aid, starting publicly that they won’t support an extended war, setting up a humanitarian pathway against their wishes, these are direct diplomatic actions appropriate for the role of an indirectly involved ally.
There are clear facts, and they’ll either pretend that a question was different, pretend that they didn’t say what they said, or pretend that I didn’t say what I said.
Common enough, but in a publicly recorded forum rather than a spoken conversation, I don’t see why they keep making things up when anyone can just scroll up to see what the original comment said.
Yes, providing aid to your ally’s event does change shit.
And opening up a sustained aid pathway in direct defiance of your ally’s military policy and stated wishes definitely changes shit.
US aid to Israel is not the only thing that matters, it is one small part, not very important with current Israeli stockpiles and the dozens of other countries that are supporting them anyway, the US stopping all military aid tomorrow would not affect the Israeli military for years.
Israel has dozens of active allies providing them with military support and years of weapons stockpiles.
If the US stops providing aid tomorrow, Israel can still indefinitely continue this war and others, for years or even decades unless they’re cut off by all their allies and the US loses its most potent leverage as long as netanyahu, a dictator, directs his very militarized, prejudiced, and polarized country.
Just because Israel can continue this war indefinitely does not mean that the US should still provide them with aid; since the US not providing military aid does not change the outcome of this conflict at all, diplomatic solutions have a better chance of ameliorating the violence then playing a high card that in this exact situation gets you nothing.
Might be time for them to change that. See how big Israeli Stalin talks when Father U.S. says “Fair game” to the Middle East. Give them a week to evacuate their innocent civilians first, then step all the way back.
Don’t forget the fact that the US continues to support Israel through all this.
In what way? Source?
Shielding them from the UN?
Adding $14.1 billion in aid to the border bill?
Shipping weapons?
I really don’t see how you cannot know about this very well known stuff, so I’ve gotta question the motives of your post.
A bill that still hasn’t passed and is currently being denied a vote on the house even after they removed the border deal…
Idk if this is satire but I laughed
It might be difficult as Israel has threatened the use of Nuclear weaponry in the past if the US were to stop their aid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
North Korea threatens the US with nukes all the time, and yet no one is bowing down to the Kim’s demands.
Israel has 3 options with its nuke threat, empty words and become an international pariah state, nuke Palestine and by extension itself, or nuke the US.
None of those options end well for Israel.
So who cares about such a empty threat.
IIRC some of the radical extremely right wing Israeli figures have been suggesting that the last-ditch Samson option would be to nuke basically anyone they can in retaliation for the destruction of Israel.
You’re describing negotiation with a terrorist. Call their bluff, or their demands will never end.
That’s what North Korea says as well.
Still doesn’t mean the US is supplying North Korea with weapons.
Without wading in to the host of other issues with your comment, at the bare minimum you have to acknowledge that Israel and North Korea have very different nuclear capabilities. There’s a reason a nuclear threat from Russia, for example, is taken more seriously than North Korea.
The US is one of dozens of countries sending military aid to Israel, who has been an active defender of UD interested for 80 years under over a dozen administrative.
If the US dogs all weapons tomorrow, they still have enough weapons for an indefinite war and the us throws away any diplomatic leverage.
Biden has gone from complete support to directly contradicting netanyahu that the US won’t support an extended war and that the US is focused on a 2-state solution and that Israel wind down their current massacre.
Israel didn’t, Biden met and talked with netanyahus political rival.
Biden sent direct humanitarian aid against netanyahus wishes.
Biden is opening up a port to safely deliver more Palestinian aid against netanyahus wishes.
For the leader of a country indirectly involved in the war, Biden is doing a lot in four months to diplomatically address the massacre.
Immediately cutting off all weapons to a 70-yeat tacit and 50-year very active ally would severely damage the trust and reputation of the US to its committed allies.
Cutting off all aid also means that Israel has no reason to listen to the us at all now or in the future and the us throws away all credibility as an indirect influential ally diplomatically drawing down the massacre.
Talking with political opponents to netanyahu, sending aid, starting publicly that they won’t support an extended war, setting up a humanitarian pathway against their wishes, these are direct diplomatic actions appropriate for the role of an indirectly involved ally.
They don’t like it when the facts don’t align with their agenda here.
gEnoCiDe jOe bad!
Yeah because Trump would turn Gaza into a golf course.
Yea, it’s pretty ridiculous.
There are clear facts, and they’ll either pretend that a question was different, pretend that they didn’t say what they said, or pretend that I didn’t say what I said.
Common enough, but in a publicly recorded forum rather than a spoken conversation, I don’t see why they keep making things up when anyone can just scroll up to see what the original comment said.
Biden and the US are still supplying them with weapons and money, and shielding them from the UN.
Just because they drop a few meagre bits of aid and share some empty rhetoric doesn’t change shit.
Biden and the US are still directly contributing to the war, that is the only thing that matters.
Yes, providing aid to your ally’s event does change shit.
And opening up a sustained aid pathway in direct defiance of your ally’s military policy and stated wishes definitely changes shit.
US aid to Israel is not the only thing that matters, it is one small part, not very important with current Israeli stockpiles and the dozens of other countries that are supporting them anyway, the US stopping all military aid tomorrow would not affect the Israeli military for years.
No.
It is very fucking important. You don’t fight a fire by actively dumping fuel into it.
If it takes a few weeks for their stockpiles to run out, than the best time to stop aid was weeks ago, the second best time is today.
Israel has dozens of active allies providing them with military support and years of weapons stockpiles.
If the US stops providing aid tomorrow, Israel can still indefinitely continue this war and others, for years or even decades unless they’re cut off by all their allies and the US loses its most potent leverage as long as netanyahu, a dictator, directs his very militarized, prejudiced, and polarized country.
And if the US doesn’t stop tomorrow they can continue forever.
It’s a very basic concept here, stop defending weapons to genociders.
Israel can continue this genocide indefinitely but not forever regardless of US military aid.
I’m not sure why ‘they can continue this forever even if the U.S. stops providing aid’ means the U.S. should still provide them with aid.
Just because Israel can continue this war indefinitely does not mean that the US should still provide them with aid; since the US not providing military aid does not change the outcome of this conflict at all, diplomatic solutions have a better chance of ameliorating the violence then playing a high card that in this exact situation gets you nothing.
How about diplomatic solutions along with not providing them aid?
Maybe even telling them the reason we’re not providing them with aid in the hopes of brokering a diplomatic solution.
Because I don’t know if you read the headline of this post, but U.S. diplomacy has failed so far.
Might be time for them to change that. See how big Israeli Stalin talks when Father U.S. says “Fair game” to the Middle East. Give them a week to evacuate their innocent civilians first, then step all the way back.
And many US-aligned European countries