Israel has dozens of active allies providing them with military support and years of weapons stockpiles.
If the US stops providing aid tomorrow, Israel can still indefinitely continue this war and others, for years or even decades unless they’re cut off by all their allies and the US loses its most potent leverage as long as netanyahu, a dictator, directs his very militarized, prejudiced, and polarized country.
Just because Israel can continue this war indefinitely does not mean that the US should still provide them with aid; since the US not providing military aid does not change the outcome of this conflict at all, diplomatic solutions have a better chance of ameliorating the violence then playing a high card that in this exact situation gets you nothing.
See we have told them that military aid is conditional, but the Biden administration has only kept it broadly conditional and that if any aid is going to Palestinians then they’ll continue to supply their 70-year-old ally with weapons, only repeating a second public time than military aid is conditional on allowing aid to Palestinians.
Diplomacy has not failed, people are drawing conclusions too hastily on diplomatic solutions that are not as clean cut, and simple as they would like, even if they are more effective in this situation.
Four months ago everybody was on the side of Israel because of the horrific terror attack, except for a few people who knew the history of this conflict.
Wait 6 weeks, most people have flipped because they have hindsight and can see what actually happened.
What you believe now, in the heat of the moment, maybe come less art and take conviction as time wears on and events unfold.
I think the diplomatic actions being taken are very prudent from a leader with significant influence who is not directly involved in the war, and there are plenty of reasons not to cut off aid yet, the most salient being that it will make no difference in this conflict but will reduce US influence overall.
See we have told them that military aid is conditional, but the Biden administration has only kept it broadly conditional and that if any aid is going to Palestinians then they’ll continue to supply their 70-year-old ally with weapons, only repeating a second public time than military aid is conditional on allowing aid to Palestinians.
The aid that Israelis won’t let Palestinians have because they shoot at them whenever they try?
Still doesn’t seem like a good reason to keep giving them weapons.
Four months ago everybody was on the side of Israel because of the horrific terror attack
Absolute nonsense. Utter horseshit. Biden was criticized from day one because I don’t think it was hard to predict what Israel would do.
and there are plenty of reasons not to cut off aid yet, the most salient being that it will make no difference in this conflict but will reduce US influence overall.
“It won’t make a difference” is still not a reason not to cut aid. Not assisting in a genocide is a reason to cut aid.
You can go back on Lemmy to four months ago, most people will be crying for Palestinian blood.
You can go back in my comment history and find me telling everyone to chill out and this is the concluding chapter of an Israeli perpetuated genocide.
Then fast forward a month and you’ll see the flip.
This is simply by not drawing conclusions based on single pieces of evidence, but rather the entire picture.
Let’s come up with an exciting example for you.
Say you’re treasure hunting.
Two golden idols (Don’t worry, they’re from your culture and this is a totally appropriate treasure hunt) are hanging by two separate pieces of rope above a bottomless chasm. actually it has a bottom and the bottom is magma!
So you would like to get these two idols.
There are two ropes hanging in front of you.
If you pull rope 1, idol 1 is pulled toward you, but idol 2 drops into the magma.
If you pull rope 2, idol 2 is pulled towards you and idol 1 does not drop, and you’ll be able to use rope 1 to get idol 1 afterwards.
Remember you’re a treasure hunter who wants all the treasure they can get.
Pulling both ropes at the same time still makes idol 1 drop in, although you can still get idol 2
No.
It is very fucking important. You don’t fight a fire by actively dumping fuel into it.
If it takes a few weeks for their stockpiles to run out, than the best time to stop aid was weeks ago, the second best time is today.
Israel has dozens of active allies providing them with military support and years of weapons stockpiles.
If the US stops providing aid tomorrow, Israel can still indefinitely continue this war and others, for years or even decades unless they’re cut off by all their allies and the US loses its most potent leverage as long as netanyahu, a dictator, directs his very militarized, prejudiced, and polarized country.
I’m not sure why ‘they can continue this forever even if the U.S. stops providing aid’ means the U.S. should still provide them with aid.
Just because Israel can continue this war indefinitely does not mean that the US should still provide them with aid; since the US not providing military aid does not change the outcome of this conflict at all, diplomatic solutions have a better chance of ameliorating the violence then playing a high card that in this exact situation gets you nothing.
How about diplomatic solutions along with not providing them aid?
Maybe even telling them the reason we’re not providing them with aid in the hopes of brokering a diplomatic solution.
Because I don’t know if you read the headline of this post, but U.S. diplomacy has failed so far.
See we have told them that military aid is conditional, but the Biden administration has only kept it broadly conditional and that if any aid is going to Palestinians then they’ll continue to supply their 70-year-old ally with weapons, only repeating a second public time than military aid is conditional on allowing aid to Palestinians.
Diplomacy has not failed, people are drawing conclusions too hastily on diplomatic solutions that are not as clean cut, and simple as they would like, even if they are more effective in this situation.
Four months ago everybody was on the side of Israel because of the horrific terror attack, except for a few people who knew the history of this conflict.
Wait 6 weeks, most people have flipped because they have hindsight and can see what actually happened.
What you believe now, in the heat of the moment, maybe come less art and take conviction as time wears on and events unfold.
I think the diplomatic actions being taken are very prudent from a leader with significant influence who is not directly involved in the war, and there are plenty of reasons not to cut off aid yet, the most salient being that it will make no difference in this conflict but will reduce US influence overall.
The aid that Israelis won’t let Palestinians have because they shoot at them whenever they try?
Still doesn’t seem like a good reason to keep giving them weapons.
Absolute nonsense. Utter horseshit. Biden was criticized from day one because I don’t think it was hard to predict what Israel would do.
“It won’t make a difference” is still not a reason not to cut aid. Not assisting in a genocide is a reason to cut aid.
You can go back on Lemmy to four months ago, most people will be crying for Palestinian blood.
You can go back in my comment history and find me telling everyone to chill out and this is the concluding chapter of an Israeli perpetuated genocide.
Then fast forward a month and you’ll see the flip.
This is simply by not drawing conclusions based on single pieces of evidence, but rather the entire picture.
Let’s come up with an exciting example for you.
Say you’re treasure hunting.
Two golden idols (Don’t worry, they’re from your culture and this is a totally appropriate treasure hunt) are hanging by two separate pieces of rope above a bottomless chasm. actually it has a bottom and the bottom is magma!
So you would like to get these two idols.
There are two ropes hanging in front of you.
If you pull rope 1, idol 1 is pulled toward you, but idol 2 drops into the magma.
If you pull rope 2, idol 2 is pulled towards you and idol 1 does not drop, and you’ll be able to use rope 1 to get idol 1 afterwards.
Remember you’re a treasure hunter who wants all the treasure they can get.
Pulling both ropes at the same time still makes idol 1 drop in, although you can still get idol 2
Which rope would you pull first?
I might be able to do those two things, but it’s not my job to prove you are telling the truth.
As far as your scenario goes, which rope will not make me culpable for participating in a genocide?
And if the US doesn’t stop tomorrow they can continue forever.
It’s a very basic concept here, stop defending weapons to genociders.
Israel can continue this genocide indefinitely but not forever regardless of US military aid.