The US is one of dozens of countries sending military aid to Israel, who has been an active defender of UD interested for 80 years under over a dozen administrative.
If the US dogs all weapons tomorrow, they still have enough weapons for an indefinite war and the us throws away any diplomatic leverage.
Biden has gone from complete support to directly contradicting netanyahu that the US won’t support an extended war and that the US is focused on a 2-state solution and that Israel wind down their current massacre.
Israel didn’t, Biden met and talked with netanyahus political rival.
Biden sent direct humanitarian aid against netanyahus wishes.
Biden is opening up a port to safely deliver more Palestinian aid against netanyahus wishes.
For the leader of a country indirectly involved in the war, Biden is doing a lot in four months to diplomatically address the massacre.
Immediately cutting off all weapons to a 70-yeat tacit and 50-year very active ally would severely damage the trust and reputation of the US to its committed allies.
Cutting off all aid also means that Israel has no reason to listen to the us at all now or in the future and the us throws away all credibility as an indirect influential ally diplomatically drawing down the massacre.
Talking with political opponents to netanyahu, sending aid, starting publicly that they won’t support an extended war, setting up a humanitarian pathway against their wishes, these are direct diplomatic actions appropriate for the role of an indirectly involved ally.
There are clear facts, and they’ll either pretend that a question was different, pretend that they didn’t say what they said, or pretend that I didn’t say what I said.
Common enough, but in a publicly recorded forum rather than a spoken conversation, I don’t see why they keep making things up when anyone can just scroll up to see what the original comment said.
Yes, providing aid to your ally’s event does change shit.
And opening up a sustained aid pathway in direct defiance of your ally’s military policy and stated wishes definitely changes shit.
US aid to Israel is not the only thing that matters, it is one small part, not very important with current Israeli stockpiles and the dozens of other countries that are supporting them anyway, the US stopping all military aid tomorrow would not affect the Israeli military for years.
Israel has dozens of active allies providing them with military support and years of weapons stockpiles.
If the US stops providing aid tomorrow, Israel can still indefinitely continue this war and others, for years or even decades unless they’re cut off by all their allies and the US loses its most potent leverage as long as netanyahu, a dictator, directs his very militarized, prejudiced, and polarized country.
Just because Israel can continue this war indefinitely does not mean that the US should still provide them with aid; since the US not providing military aid does not change the outcome of this conflict at all, diplomatic solutions have a better chance of ameliorating the violence then playing a high card that in this exact situation gets you nothing.
See we have told them that military aid is conditional, but the Biden administration has only kept it broadly conditional and that if any aid is going to Palestinians then they’ll continue to supply their 70-year-old ally with weapons, only repeating a second public time than military aid is conditional on allowing aid to Palestinians.
Diplomacy has not failed, people are drawing conclusions too hastily on diplomatic solutions that are not as clean cut, and simple as they would like, even if they are more effective in this situation.
Four months ago everybody was on the side of Israel because of the horrific terror attack, except for a few people who knew the history of this conflict.
Wait 6 weeks, most people have flipped because they have hindsight and can see what actually happened.
What you believe now, in the heat of the moment, maybe come less art and take conviction as time wears on and events unfold.
I think the diplomatic actions being taken are very prudent from a leader with significant influence who is not directly involved in the war, and there are plenty of reasons not to cut off aid yet, the most salient being that it will make no difference in this conflict but will reduce US influence overall.
The US is one of dozens of countries sending military aid to Israel, who has been an active defender of UD interested for 80 years under over a dozen administrative.
If the US dogs all weapons tomorrow, they still have enough weapons for an indefinite war and the us throws away any diplomatic leverage.
Biden has gone from complete support to directly contradicting netanyahu that the US won’t support an extended war and that the US is focused on a 2-state solution and that Israel wind down their current massacre.
Israel didn’t, Biden met and talked with netanyahus political rival.
Biden sent direct humanitarian aid against netanyahus wishes.
Biden is opening up a port to safely deliver more Palestinian aid against netanyahus wishes.
For the leader of a country indirectly involved in the war, Biden is doing a lot in four months to diplomatically address the massacre.
Immediately cutting off all weapons to a 70-yeat tacit and 50-year very active ally would severely damage the trust and reputation of the US to its committed allies.
Cutting off all aid also means that Israel has no reason to listen to the us at all now or in the future and the us throws away all credibility as an indirect influential ally diplomatically drawing down the massacre.
Talking with political opponents to netanyahu, sending aid, starting publicly that they won’t support an extended war, setting up a humanitarian pathway against their wishes, these are direct diplomatic actions appropriate for the role of an indirectly involved ally.
They don’t like it when the facts don’t align with their agenda here.
gEnoCiDe jOe bad!
Yea, it’s pretty ridiculous.
There are clear facts, and they’ll either pretend that a question was different, pretend that they didn’t say what they said, or pretend that I didn’t say what I said.
Common enough, but in a publicly recorded forum rather than a spoken conversation, I don’t see why they keep making things up when anyone can just scroll up to see what the original comment said.
Yeah because Trump would turn Gaza into a golf course.
Biden and the US are still supplying them with weapons and money, and shielding them from the UN.
Just because they drop a few meagre bits of aid and share some empty rhetoric doesn’t change shit.
Biden and the US are still directly contributing to the war, that is the only thing that matters.
Yes, providing aid to your ally’s event does change shit.
And opening up a sustained aid pathway in direct defiance of your ally’s military policy and stated wishes definitely changes shit.
US aid to Israel is not the only thing that matters, it is one small part, not very important with current Israeli stockpiles and the dozens of other countries that are supporting them anyway, the US stopping all military aid tomorrow would not affect the Israeli military for years.
No.
It is very fucking important. You don’t fight a fire by actively dumping fuel into it.
If it takes a few weeks for their stockpiles to run out, than the best time to stop aid was weeks ago, the second best time is today.
Israel has dozens of active allies providing them with military support and years of weapons stockpiles.
If the US stops providing aid tomorrow, Israel can still indefinitely continue this war and others, for years or even decades unless they’re cut off by all their allies and the US loses its most potent leverage as long as netanyahu, a dictator, directs his very militarized, prejudiced, and polarized country.
I’m not sure why ‘they can continue this forever even if the U.S. stops providing aid’ means the U.S. should still provide them with aid.
Just because Israel can continue this war indefinitely does not mean that the US should still provide them with aid; since the US not providing military aid does not change the outcome of this conflict at all, diplomatic solutions have a better chance of ameliorating the violence then playing a high card that in this exact situation gets you nothing.
How about diplomatic solutions along with not providing them aid?
Maybe even telling them the reason we’re not providing them with aid in the hopes of brokering a diplomatic solution.
Because I don’t know if you read the headline of this post, but U.S. diplomacy has failed so far.
See we have told them that military aid is conditional, but the Biden administration has only kept it broadly conditional and that if any aid is going to Palestinians then they’ll continue to supply their 70-year-old ally with weapons, only repeating a second public time than military aid is conditional on allowing aid to Palestinians.
Diplomacy has not failed, people are drawing conclusions too hastily on diplomatic solutions that are not as clean cut, and simple as they would like, even if they are more effective in this situation.
Four months ago everybody was on the side of Israel because of the horrific terror attack, except for a few people who knew the history of this conflict.
Wait 6 weeks, most people have flipped because they have hindsight and can see what actually happened.
What you believe now, in the heat of the moment, maybe come less art and take conviction as time wears on and events unfold.
I think the diplomatic actions being taken are very prudent from a leader with significant influence who is not directly involved in the war, and there are plenty of reasons not to cut off aid yet, the most salient being that it will make no difference in this conflict but will reduce US influence overall.
And if the US doesn’t stop tomorrow they can continue forever.
It’s a very basic concept here, stop defending weapons to genociders.
Israel can continue this genocide indefinitely but not forever regardless of US military aid.