Project 2025’s 180-Day Playbook is a remarkably detailed guide to turning the United States into a fascist’s paradise.
Or maybe they are just trying to scare you and tell you what will get you to vote Democrat.
Aren’t you the guy that thinks America isn’t Capitalist? Why would anyone care what you think if you live in an alternate reality?
America is not capitalism, and I live in the reality that has the facts in it.
America is one of the most Capitalistic states on the planet. You deny reality by denying the fact of this.
We are apparently in the ballpark of 25th in the world in economic freedom, so top quartile isnt bad…
The EFI is from one of the most batshit, far-right think tanks imaginable, the heritage foundation, bought and owned by Capitalists.
Cool, what does your ranking put the US at?
What do you consider “Economic Freedom?”
Except the GOP has already started doing those things… It’s not like this is coming out of nowhere. I hate the DNC but hate facism a whole lot more so the choice is clear.
You guys interpret anything the GOP does that is in line with what they believe coming for rights, when it could be something entirely different. Its all just fearmongering.
You guys who? I used to vote Republican… I’m an independent voter who wants a political reform of ranked choice voting, removing the 2 party system, etc… I only vote Democrat now because the GOP shoved their foot so far up their ass showing their true colors.
The GOP went full orange cult. They’re now hell bent on taking rights away and decide to vote against anything positive for their constituents as long as it is under the name of opposing democrats. They used to be the party of small government. Now they want to control everything and remove only regulations that ‘stop profit.’ They’re not even close to being the same party they used to be.
The GOP never was small government. The reason trump exists is because the left side has gone crazy. And yes, you would be included in “you guys”.
I didn’t know the left did all this:
-Plotted to kidnap a governor.
-Committed an insurrection.
-Threw away a pandemic response plan because they thought it would hurt big cities more than rural areas.
-Let businesses take PPP loans when they didn’t need it and not hold business accountable for what they did with those funds.
-Block student loan forgiveness saying it’s too much money to spend (very hypocritical based on their PPP loans stance).
-Put policies in place to make voting harder.
-Reversed Roe v Wade to let the states decide. Then when a state votes in favor of abortion, they don’t want to honor the people’s decision.
-Trying to stop legalization of marijuana (even when it’s put to a state vote) despite it being overwhelmingly favored by both parties.
-Banning/preventing life saving medical care (example ectopic pregnancies).
-Blame gun violence on mental health but then vote against mental health programs…
-Ignore experts in fields of science and education because it goes against their agenda.
-Plead to let the people decide on a new supreme court judge at the end of a presidential term (i.e. let the next president appoint the judge), only to not do the same when they hold office.
-Have Nazis on their side…
-Are in favor of gerrymandering (an unfair political strategy)
Oh wait, all that wasn’t the left…
To say the left has gone crazy with the current state of affairs is blatantly ignorant. And to cast a wide net on anyone who opposes what you think is right is also extremely dangerous and akin to facism. I don’t think every Republican is out of touch or crazy. I think they have many valid concerns. What I disagree with is the majority of Republican politicians. There are actually a few Republican politicians I do like just like there a ton of Democrat politicians I don’t like. It’s the direction the Republican party is going in regards to policies that I disagree with.
And the right literally have stated they are in favor of smaller federal/national government and that states should have more power (hence a smaller government…)
I like how you make this long list, and a bunch of them are lies, misleading or a normal thing they both do. Dude, the left is better at marketing, and they have convinced you of things that are not true. I am not a republican, but if you drill down on most of those, they are more right.
Which are lies? I’d be happy to present sources. I mean, if the left’s “marketing” is wanting to help others, yeah, that’s pretty good marketing. I personally like helping others which is why I lean left I guess…
What have they convinced me of that’s not true? Please enlighten me. I do like debating and am open to having my mind changed (I did consider myself a Republican for the majority of my life after all).
Did you even read the article? This is literally their playbook.
And its all exaggerated or misleading.
You’re saying that a document that they literally wrote is exaggerated or misleading and is actually just fear mongering by Democrats?
You’re an idiot.
You’re an idiot.
Nice work, you used the correct your!
Are you fucking dense? They are telling you what they will do just like they overturned roe v wade. Gtfo with your fascist supporting garbage.
I am very dense, and it hurts my feeling to have you point it out :(
These P25 people are just so…hateful. Carrying all that hate seems like it would not be fun.
Perfect time to teach Biden a lesson by not voting for him – or so I’ve been told by those with too much privilege and not enough brainpower.
What’s more realistic: Shaming everyone in the country until they vote for someone doing genocide, or telling Biden to stop facilitating a genocide?
If you don’t vote, you’re saying that you’re completely fine with allowing others to choose for you. Because whether you know it or not- someone will be elected with or without your participation.
This is not up for debate. This is a HARD fact.
So fold your arms and pout all you wish, but an election is happening- and as many have said, Palestine is going to face a MUCH worse under Trump.
My vote has never made a difference. I still vote despite it being pointless.
You have completely lost the plot. The election isn’t for 7 months.
Instead of convincing Biden to stop the genocide, which he can do right now, today, you’re spending your time trying to get people to say they’re gonna vote for Biden even if he continues facilitating genocide.
And that’s a major over simplification. Biden isn’t God he can’t snap his fingers and make Israel do what he wants, certainly not without putting the alliance between the US and Israel at risk … and it’s getting to be a dangerous time in the world when having friends is important.
Just today they announced the US would be air dropping aid to Gaza. It’s not like nothing is being done. I’d like more to be done, but yeah I’m voting for him either way because the alternative is Trump. I’m not going to pretend I’m not voting for him and the many other things he’s done and his policy objectives that I like because of the actions of another country that he’s supporting… Matching decades of US policy precedent.
Biden isn’t God he can’t snap his fingers and make Israel do what he wants
He can stop sending them the tools they’re using to carry out genocide. Ronald Reagan merely threatened to do it once and they came to heel.
the alliance between the US and Israel
Israel depends on the US for its existence. They will do what is required for financial, military, and diplomatic aid.
it’s getting to be a dangerous time in the world when having friends is important.
How friendly do we look when we’re facilitating a genocide, and bombing Yemen for trying to do something about it?
Dropping food does not make up for our client state machine gunning people trying to get food.
If the US really wanted to make friends, they’d oppose the existence of a zionist ethnostate.
https://www.legion.org/landingzone/260767/why-america-cares-about-israel’s-security
What you’re proposing would be a pretty radical shake up in the US approach to the middle east. The equivalent of telling all our current friends to fuck off and the people we’ve been saying fuck off to, hey do you want to be friends and let us place this critical military infrastructure in your country?
Some might even call it insane, because who is going to go for that?
Israel depends on the US but the US also depends on Israel. This isn’t a free lunch they’ve been given and they know it. They’ve also got the equivalent of Trump as their prime minister currently and I really don’t think he cares about any of that anymore than you do.
His country was attacked and his policy is scorched earth. He’s not going to stop if the US stops sending help. His “iron dome” will fall though and then he’s going to just throw everything he’s got at eliminating Palestine.
The only thing more dangerous than an angry nation is an angry nation with nothing to lose and a vendetta.
I don’t like any of this. However, for fuck sake Joe Biden is not out there in a cheerleading outfit yelling “go Israel, murder innocent civilians.” Things are rarely so simple as “just (don’t) do X.” Hell, that’s half the problem with Trump, he’ll just say shit like “well let’s just nuke the hurricane.” We end up with two problems a nuclear bomb and a hurricane.
If the Israel president was anyone but Netanyahu things might be different.
The equivalent of telling all our current friends to fuck off and the people we’ve been saying fuck off to
It is not. We took the same steps for Apartheid South Africa.
The only thing more dangerous than an angry nation is an angry nation with nothing to lose and a vendetta.
You know what’s worse than an angry nation? An angry nation with more weapons.
Joe Biden is not out there in a cheerleading outfit yelling “go Israel, murder innocent civilians.”
He is giving them the bombs they are using to carry out a genocide, there is no meaningful difference.
I’m not getting overly involved in this discussion as I’m tired of Lemmy devolving into endless arguments about this, but I just wanna take the opportunity to point out that the argument “Trump would be worse for Palestine” is a non argument. Joe Biden is a genocider. He advocated for genocide against Palestine and the Muslim nations surrounding Israel when he first entered politics. He has always held a genocidal disposition towards Palestinians, and he is currently arming, funding, and protecting the state of Israel in their efforts towards genocide. He is preventing the UN from forcing a ceasefire. He is literally, unequivocally, already doing the absolute worst he possibly could be in terms of Palestine. Trump wouldn’t be worse. Worse is literally not possible. The only thing that could be worse would be to invade Palestine with American forces, which Trump will absolutely not do as he has fascist military ambitions in Central America and is supported by a strong anti Semitic backing.
Stop downplaying Biden’s role in this. He is genocidal. He supports genocide in Palestine in literally every single way he possibly could. He is the reason this genocide is able to continue without being stopped. He is a zionist who believes Israel should conquer and colonize the entirety of the Middle East. He has long been a supporter of this.
You can say the million other reasons that voting for Trump is wrong. You categorically cannot say that he would be worse for Palestine. We will be very fortunate if Palestine does not collapse within the next 2 months into outright massive widespread famine. We could see literally over a million dead from starvation. They’re eating fucking grass. Stop excusing the actions of Joe Biden and start working to stop him. Dont pretend to care about genocide by slandering activists fighting for the lives of millions of people.
As opposed to you know doing literally anything to prevent genocide. How much food can they air drop? Enough for two million people? For how long? What about water? What about medical supplies? What about homes? What about electricity? What about healthcare workers? They gonna air drop a whole new country? Biden could stop it today. He could stop it right now. He could tell Israel no more money no more guns and join the UN in demanding a ceasefire. This is nothing. Optics.
I’m not responding to whatever your follow up is I’m just not doing this today. I hate that we live in the time-line where everyone, liberals conservatives progressives everyone all together, is fine with genocide because it’s Muslims this time.
So we’ve gone from ‘Trump would not be worse, worse literally isn’t possible’ to ‘Biden isn’t doing enough’. That was fast!
everyone, liberals conservatives progressives everyone all together, is fine with genocide because it’s Muslims this time
Said not a single person in this thread, except you.
Mhm. Yeah if you wanna re read the comment I’m responding to how is airlifting food going to solve a genocide
Brain time
I’m out I don’t have time for arguing with this shit for the millionth time on here.
Biden did not advocate for genocide. He is absolutely NOT a “genocider,” nor did he advocate for genocide at any time in his political career.
This is blatant misinformation, and it has been reported as such.
Biden did not advocate for genocide. He is absolutely NOT a “genocider,” nor did he advocate for genocide at any time in his political career.
Why are there multiple US aircraft carriers trying to break the blockade of the genocidal ethnostate happening in the red sea? Why is Biden trying to pass the fasicsts border bill so that he can get more ‘bipartisan’ funding for Israel?
On the subject of the genocidal ethnostates existence, Biden has said multiple times “if Israel did not exist, the US would have to create it to protect our interests in the region”. It’s because of cynical geopolitical calculus that Israel is supported to the end, even if that end is a pile of Palestinian corpses rivalling the brutality of the worlds worst dictators.
You are obviously a propagandist.
Nah he’s always been around and down with Israel colonization regime. I can’t find the link but early in his career he openly advocated for Israel invading neighboring nations to expand their borders.
Report me all you like.
When we go to YouTube for our arguments: we’re going to the same place that says Obama is a reptilian alien from Nibiru.
Not watching any propaganda YouTube links. Thanks. Go away now. I don’t argue with anti-democracy trolls that suggest non voting when democracy is at stake.
Blocking you now.
It’s videos of Joe Biden saying things. Way to click on it lmao
Its also very rich of you to call me an anti democracy troll when you’re literally defending a man who is actively supporting a colonizing regime
I never said not to vote for him, if you read my first comment, I said,
You can’t say Trump would be worse for Palestine. Palestine is undergoing genocide and is at risk for a massive famine and popluation collapse within months. This is already the worst possible situation
Why not both?
They’re all over the fucking place here. It’s wild.
They’re almost for certain foreign cointelpro.
Where do I collect my cheque?
The thing is: the US is not a well-functioning democracy. It currently tries to be to some extent, but it’s system especially at the national level is set up in a way that heavily biases power towards wealthy interests and rural states, both of which tend to favor conservative politics, and which mathematically garuntees only two parties can be viable at a time, with third parties merely providing a negative effect on whatever major party is closer to them. In a well designed democratic system, there’d be a much greater variety of political groups to support such that one that actually reasonably approximates a given person’s views may exist, and voting for those groups would have practical consequence. But, we don’t have that. Voting isn’t completely inconsequential, hence one should still do it, but in our current state it’s not enough to fix things by itself. But again, since it still does something even if not enough, it makes sense to try to get as much utility as possible out of it. At the moment, the only candidates that have any chance whatsoever of winning are a neoliberal and a fascist. Now, you can argue that the popularity of the fascist is a result of the failures of neoliberal policies and so voting for the candidate supporting those policies won’t stop the popularity of the fascist ones, and that could be true- but the fascist is just going to bring about the fascist policies even faster. “The candidate that can fix things” isn’t on the ballot of either major party right now, and the system mathematically garuntees that third parties are counterproductive at this level, so voting for meaningful change isn’t an option here.
I’m not saying one should give up pushing for meaningful change. I’m saying that at the moment, getting that change is going to require more than just voting, at least at the national level and especially in the presidential election. I do not plan on voting for Biden in the coming general election because I am under some illusion that he’s going to fix things. I plan on voting for him to stall for time. It isn’t exiting, it’s downright depressing, but on balance, it’s still more moral in my view to take that option than the fascistic one, or to do nothing at all.
Exactly… It’s almost like there’s no interest to change any of that from those who benefit and continuing to vote for them or support them will continue to perpetuate this inevitable spiral.
Sometimes the only winning move is not to play. - Joshua (John Wood), War Games, 1983
Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.
Perhaps, but this is not one of those times.
Half the country DGAF about Gaza, but wants to remove your bodily autonomy, persecute minorities, and undermine all future elections.
They’re going to vote.
66% of americans make the “winning move” every election cycle.
Are you actually claiming that not voting will change things for the better?
Cheque? lol don’t give yourself away too hard comrade.
I know this is doing to be fucking mind-blowing to you, bust some of us are dual nationals.
You’re saying in one breath that Trump and Biden are the same and in the next that voting for either one of them equally insane. Both of those things are plainly false.
Won’t make a difference means zero difference but Trump is literally the accelerationist choice.
You need to work on your comprehension. I never said they are the same. I said one is the product of the other.
isn’t going to make a meaningful change
My reading comprehension is just fine. You need an argument and it’s not the one that you’re getting.
Surely what the Democrats are doing is effective, and Christo fascism is now less of a threat than it was in 2016 and 2020. Right? They should clearly keep doing the same thing, it’s working super well!
Actually? 😂
Okay, so who should we vote for?
I do think theyre making perfect be the enemy of, well not exactly good, but in this case the better option, but Im not so sure theyre foreign ops. If you were running a campaign like that, wouldnt you want to concentrate your messaging on the places where the greatest number of people would be to see it, or at least a lot of people? Lemmy is certainly not immune to influence campaigns, Id bet it might even be more vulnerable than most given the lack of central control that might try to inhibit one, but its also currently incredibly small and obscure as far as social networks go. Would it really be considered worth the resources, to such a campaign, in its current state?
Agreed. They’re dangerous and privileged – it really doesn’t need to be more complicated than that.
Imagine voting for neolibs and having the gall to call progressives privileged. Progressives are younger and lower income but sure we’re the privileged ones. You don’t give a shit about anything except character assassinating anyone you see as an enemy. There’s never any honest attempt at engagement from you people.
What more privileged position is there than the one which favors purity over pragmatism?
Imagine advocating for actions that directly increase the risk of a Trump presidency.
Grow up.
Oh no, how dare I publicly criticize a political candidate in a democracy. It’s fucking crazy that you think you’re actually one of the good guys. This is exactly the kind of shit fascists say to shut down opposition.
Go take a nap.
Haha, yeah nothing to see here.
There was a point in 2016 when the bernouts started spouting on about how they were now voting for Trump. It’s the exact same situation. They will disingenuously demand something that is not feasible then they will show their true colors while acting like they didn’t intend on voting Trump from the get go.
For the love of god don’t fall for it again.
Still bitching about Bernie Sanders seven years later. And still not taking responsibility for the Democratic Party’s complete failure to increase turnout and fund local operations. It’s all someone else’s fault, always.
You losers are fucking unbelievable. And you wonder why people hate you so much.
Would it really be considered worth the resources, to such a campaign, in its current state?
I think it’s more about the fact that this is the only place that doesn’t just ban them.
Perfect time for Democrats to nominate an 81 yo guy that most people think it’s too old to run. This election won’t even be close if someone other than Biden ran. His accomplishments don’t really matter in the face of his mortality.
Did you canvas for anyone else to challenge him in your state’s primary?
Because you had time.
You know nobody else stands a chance against an incumbent president in a primary unless the president drops out on their own, so that’s a moot point just for the sake of arguing.
So “this election won’t even be close if someone other than Biden ran” but it wasn’t worth trying to primary him?
Like I said, DNC and Biden himself needs to realize that he should step down, given that this is a very important election. If they don’t want to do that, there’s nothing anybody else can do about it. Your point is moot and you know it. Talk to Dean Phillips and ask him how his campaign is going. Being too idealistic just for the sake of argument doesn’t help anybody. Need to be more practical.
That’s a lot of words for “I didn’t try.”
Oh right, because individual citizens can beat the entire democratic party machine on their own. What a ridiculous fucking comment.
Behold! The beating, indifferent and apathetic heart of the American body politic!
That’s how grassroots democracy works. But it’s much easier to sit on your ass and berate people on the internet.
I’m voting for Biden to stave off Jerry Lewis Hitler, as I did last cycle and Clinton before.
That said, a lot of Biden enthusiasts need to stop with the “you also need to say you like him and his politics” crap.
No one should feel enthused about always getting wildly varying degrees of bad as the only choice, merely afraid. At this point we’re voting whether to keep the water pumps on as Titanic sinks to buy a little time instead of declaring the water at our waist “fake.”
Vote to keep the pumps on, sure, but it helps nothing to pretend our rigged capitalist hellscape, that neoliberals and fascists alike declare as “the only way,” isn’t eating the itself and us while it continues wrecking the planet for a few more short term cash grabs before the owners fly odd to their prepard haven’s con complete.
A vote for Biden is a vote for us to not add state sponsored scapegoating and persecution and ending bodily autonomy to our doom in motion like a cherry. Yes let’s do that.
…but don’t delude yourself into believing it’s any kind of salvation.
That said, a lot of Biden enthusiasts need to stop with the “you also need to say you like him and his politics” crap.
What’s great about this is that the lack of awareness and strategy practically guarantees that far left will never rule in the US.
What sucks about is that since vote margins are always razor thin, saying things like that might very well put Larry the Fascist Guy back to power.
That said, a lot of Biden enthusiasts need to stop with the “you also need to say you like him and his politics” crap.
That’s certainly not a significantly pervasive mindset – at least not around here. The general sentiment is “hold your nose and vote for him anyways”.
It’s literally all over this thread and in most threads about Palestine. You’re lying.
… No it’s not
No, I’ve seen the critique that we must all be enthused to convince others to vote for him with how great he is.
I prefer for us to rise or fall honestly. Leave the lies to the politicians themselves. I advocate others vote for Biden not to make things better, but to keep the pace of things getting worse where they are instead of hitting the gas.
But I’ve been yelled at for not trying harder to sell the metaphorical Biden car like I need the commission.
I’m sure you’ve seen it, it’s just not happening in significant numbers. At least not around here.
AKA – you’re preaching to the choir.
…but don’t delude yourself into believing it’s any kind of salvation
Why, are there very many evangelical democrats that need reminding?
I just want a functional fucking government
Functional government
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No one is saying you have to be enthused. They’re saying you have to pretend to be enthused. Because the strategy of “I’m going to tell everyone I hate this guy so I don’t loose any cool points with my friends who the maturity of 16 year olds” is a losing one for you and minorities and LGBT people and women and basically everyone you’re fucking over.
Or you could say that this issue and all the others mean so little to the Democratic Party that running anybody but Genocide Joe is off the table.
Hi, it’s me, a Palestinian American, how about don’t use my people’s plight to justify letting the guy who wants to deport my ass for liking Knaffeh get into office?
I have enough issues without truck nuts McGee feeling re-emboldened to call me Sand Nigger and Towelhead.
Thank you so much, friend. I don’t think these “Genocide Joe” people understand what Trump has planned.
I wonder if they’re even aware that he’s already announced that he wouldn’t accept any Palestinian refugees?
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-vows-expand-travel-ban-gaza-rcna120711
Or how about his plan to sacrifice the West Bank for a “Gaza Plus” without full statehood, where somehow Egypt gives up the Sainai Peninsula, all Palestinians, including Palestinians in the West Bank and Egypt, are forced to live there, and all right of return claims are nullified in perpetuity?
And then there’s Project 2025, where Trump and Republicans plan to make the U.S. a Christian theocracy. How do they think Muslim Americans will be treated?
But none of that matters because they can call Biden “Genocide Joe” and say not to vote for him because of it.
That sounds absolutely bonkers and I don’t want any of that to come to pass. But I can’t sleep with myself at night knowing that I’m voting for someone who is going out of his way to send weapons to facilitate an active genocide.
Instead of framing this as my failing for bringing about Trump because I won’t vote for continued genocide, try to see it in terms of your (the rhetorical “your”) failing by insisting that my choice be fixed between enabling an atrocious genocide or bringing about the end of our civilization. The solution is the obvious third choice, run somebody else beside Biden. He is too unpalatable to reliably beat Trump, so don’t run him.
Insisting that we hold our nose and vote for an unelectable candidate failed with Clinton (how we got Trump the first time) and she was just unpopular. Going ahead with the same demonstrably failed strategy with someone who is a direct party to a genocide is even more foolish.
I’m not going to vote for Biden unless he reins in Israel and stops facilitating war crimes there and it’s still going to be hard knowing what he has done. I would vote for any other Democrat that runs in his place. Insulting me because I won’t vote for a candidate who is a party to war crimes won’t work. If you need my vote, you can’t ask me to do what I’m telling you I won’t do. There’s nine months to figure out how to get the DNC to run another candidate in place of Biden. If you don’t want to risk Trump again, you should consider that option.
The solution is the obvious third choice, run somebody else beside Biden. He is too unpalatable to reliably beat Trump, so don’t run him.
Fine. Which one of those obvious third choices did you canvas for in your state?
I’m not going to vote for Biden unless he reins in Israel and stops facilitating war crimes there and it’s still going to be hard knowing what he has done.
Bold of you to do that in the face of a Palestinian person telling you that you’re in the wrong for that position. I guess you know what’s best for them.
Also interesting that you didn’t say that to them, but said it to me.
So you’re insisting that your role in this is really nothing more than to tell me I’m wrong for not voting for Biden and that I’m to blame for whatever comes? I’m not the only person who feels this way and I’m informing you that this strategy of yours is unduly dangerous. Digging in and trying to shame a couple of people on the internet isn’t mitigating the risk here.
That some self-proclaimed internet Palestinian says that they’re ok with somebody sending a fascist state the weapons that are being used to murder innocent people doesn’t change my view on things. If I tell you that I’m Palestinian too, will that change your mind?
Nope. A Palestinian person told you that you were wrong. The Palestinian you apparently don’t have the guts to talk to directly and are talking to me instead.
And now you are claiming they’re lying about being Palestinian to defend your paternalistic position that you know what’s best for Palestinians.
You also still haven’t told me who you canvassed for.
I’m not the guy who wants Trump in office. I’m just the one who doesn’t want to vote for somebody who is repeatedly bypassing Congress to send weapons to literal fascists committing war crimes. That’s someone I can’t just hold my nose and vote for. His political career is over.
Why can’t we have any of the other people who ran in the 2020 Democratic primaries instead of Biden? This idea that it absolutely has to be Biden or else the DNC will let the country fall apart with Trump is so completely messed up.
Back in reality, the choices are a) vote for Biden, b) vote for Trump, and c) don’t vote. That’s it, those are your choices.
Just know that options b and c help Trump. You can bend and twist reality in any shape you want, but that is the actual effect of those choices.
So ask yourself, do you want Trump as president?
Why can’t we have any of the other people who ran in the 2020 Democratic primaries instead of Biden?
Which one of them did you canvas for?
I like how someone actually responded to your ridiculous question and you suddenly stop mouthing off to people. What a surprise. /s
You mean the comment posted 22 minutes ago when I wasn’t active here? My apologies for not being on Lemmy on your specific schedule.
Dean Phillips, but he has little chance against an incumbent who has the support of the Party leadership. In order for anyone to solidly beat him in the primaries, Biden would need to step down or the Party would need to acknowledge that the Clinton strategy of pushing their pick even if unpopular isn’t a safe one.
Voters tend to not show up for primaries against incumbents, but unenthusiastic or marginalized voters also tend to not show up to elections. Or put another way, an incumbent winning a primary isn’t indicative of a candidate winning an election. And I have no faith that Biden can win an election. That the DNC does is frightening and delusional.
Or are you saying that you wouldn’t vote for any Democratic candidate except Biden? What on earth does the party have to lose by having Biden step down?
What exactly did you do to help Dean Phillips’ campaign?
Or are you saying that you wouldn’t vote for any Democratic candidate except Biden? What on earth does the party have to lose by having Biden step down?
I’ll vote for whoever will stop Trump to prevent the ongoing queer genocide you apparently don’t care much about from getting worse and taking my daughter with it.
Who do you suggest I vote for if Biden appears to be the one most likely to save my daughter’s life?
lol, it’s nothing but moving goalposts with you, is it?
Your daughter’s life doesn’t mean enough to you to help me get an electable candidate through the primaries. When she asks you what you did to save her, you can say you argued with people on the internet. Sleep with that on your conscience.
Genocide Joe
Jesus Christ. The US government has never given a single shit about the plight of the Palestinians.
The politicians just need a bit more time steeping before they’ll be ready to pretend that they supported Palestine all along. That is of course, if the public continues to like the cause.
Sure, but this is part of the process. If we don’t call them out, they assume that everything is peachy and the status quo is their mandate. I’ll admit it’s inflammatory and over the top, but it’s sort of catchy.
It is catchy, I’ll give you that.
I guess being a Muslim and feeling pain when I see a dead baby is “privilege” nowadays. Have you considered the idea that for some people not funding a genocide is more important than anything else? You can’t keep bombing the middle east, say “orange man bad” and expect people to vote for you. I don’t give a shit at this point. I’ll vote for whoever’s running against a person who took a dime from AIPAC.
Have you considered the idea that for some people not funding a genocide is more important than anything else?
Do you really think orange stain isn’t going to start absolutely pouring money into Israel? If you think it’s bad now…
In the US we are currently stuck with a 2 party system, a vote for any third party candidate is a throwaway vote in a presidential election.
Actually, voting for a 3rd party is almost always a vote for Trump. The people talking about abstaining or voting 3rd party are overwhelmingly of progressive mindset.
The people talking about abstaining or voting 3rd party are overwhelmingly of progressive mindset.
so it’s not a vote for trump at all. in fact, he’s running on the republican ticket, so a vote for a so-called third party would be a vote against him.
Nope z that isn’t how math works. You make the incorrect assumption that those people would ok d vote for Democrats if they didn’t have a choice, which all dats shows is wrong.
A vote for a third party is equivalent to not voting. That’s a fucking fact z and I’m sick of you liars trump to bully people into voting for your corporate protofascist. It’s never worked and never will, but that won’t stop you from doing it because it’s so much easier than engaging someone and validating their concerns. A
Is this even English?
I guess being a Muslim and feeling pain when I see a dead baby is “privilege” nowadays.
Weird guess, but no.
Privilege is knowing that not voting for Biden increases the risk of a Trump presidency, and making that choice anyways. The only way it isn’t is if you genuinely believe Trump would be better.
Orange man is bad. Of course he is.
Oh I didn’t say I’m not voting for Biden. Read again. I said I’m voting for whoever’s running against a person that took a dime from AIPAC. Fuck anyone who thinks what’s going on in Palestine is acceptable. Things wouldn’t have come to this point if morons like you actually spoke up and protested against Biden instead of calling people idiots for not voting for him.
If you’re voting for Biden, then you’re pretty clearly not the type of person I’m calling privileged, right?
Things wouldn’t have come to this point if morons like you actually spoke up and protested against Biden
Don’t call me a moron. And don’t claim that I didn’t speak out against Biden. Be better than that.
Fuck off with your privilege bullshit. You don’t know any of the people you’re talking to. Straight up character assassination.
So childish.
“I don’t like the guy who’s not cutting off funding to Israel because he thinks a soft touch is needed to talk them off the ledge, so I’m going to let the guy who handed them East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights back into office.”
That’s what fetishizers think any muslims or arabs (because they are not the same thing l3anhon’allah!!!) will do here and cite to justify letting “orange man” back into office.
Fuck Putin, and his puppet Trump.
I’ll vote for whoever’s running against a person who took a dime from AIPAC.
In other words, you’ll vote for someone who has zero chance of winning.
Why bother voting at all?
By the way, you might want to look up Project 2025 and Trump’s plan to turn the U.S. into a Christian theocracy. You’ll probably feel a lot more pain as a Muslim when it’s happening to you.
There are millions of people who will read the first half of your comment, think it’s a good idea and skip the rest. What have you done?
Or billions, even. Billions and billions. Good people, the best kind of people. I know them, personally.
I keep telling people- the queer genocide that has already begun with Republican restrictions on trans rights and medical care is going to ramp way up and encompass queer people as a whole. Including my daughter.
And yet I keep being told I’m excusing genocide by voting for Biden in order to stop Trump from killing her.
I will now be voting for Biden exclusively for this guys daughter
And I didn’t even get you anything!
And yet I keep being told I’m excusing genocide by voting for Biden in order to stop Trump from killing her.
Lucky. I’m being told that I’m endorsing it for the same reason.
The thing I love is that I ask them- name me a candidate that has a significant chance of beating Trump who isn’t Joe Biden.
Obviously, they can’t. But they try very hard to avoid that.
Yeah. I’ll be doing this from now on. If it’ll shut them up.
Do you think this might be conflating internet-style “genocide” with the kind of genocide that involves gunning people down at an aid truck while they queue for food during a famine?
Moot point as I really don’t think either party would be doing anything to stop the crisis. I do think we should be more careful with how we dilute language, though.
Not all genocides involve shooting people at an aid truck.
Some US laws have been described, including by journalists Emily St. James and Katelyn Jones, as meeting criteria mentioned in the United Nations definition of genocide, including laws banning gender-affirming care (“causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part”), and those allowing child protective services to pursue child abuse claims against the parents of children receiving gender-affirming care and remove said children (“forcibly transferring children of the group to another group”).[26][27]
Transgender healthcare bans in the US have been condemned by medical organizations. A report published by Yale School of Medicine in response to bans on gender-affirming care in Alabama and Texas argued that the bans were no more ethical than a prohibition on healthcare for any other life-threatening medical condition.[28] The president of World Professional Association of Transgender Health wrote an opinion article in the New York Times stating her view that these laws constituted an effort to “rid the world of transgender people.”[29] Similar sentiments were expressed in a WPATH public communique: “Anti-transgender health care legislation is not about protections for children but about eliminating transgender persons on a micro and macro scale.”[30]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocide#United_States
WASHINGTON — The Human Rights Campaign (HRC) — the nation’s largest lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer (LGBTQ+) civil rights organization — denounced the onslaught of transphobic statements threaded throughout the annual CPAC political gathering this past weekend. For several days extremist politicians and commentators peppered hateful statements toward trans people casually through remarks on unrelated topics. The wave of hatred culminated with a speech in which a Daily Wire commentator called for the “eradication” of transgender people.
The social conservative wish list calls for ending abortion, diversity and inclusion efforts, protections for LGBTQ people, and most importantly, banning any and all LGBTQ content. In fact, “The Mandate for Leadership” makes eradicating LGBTQ people from public life its top priority. Its No. 1 promise is to “restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children.” They are explicit in how they plan to do so, as you’ll see in the paragraph below. They plan to proceed by declaring any and all LGBTQ content to be pornographic in nature.
“Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.”
https://www.damemagazine.com/2023/08/14/the-gop-has-a-master-plan-to-criminalize-being-trans/
And if you think Joe Biden is in favor of any of that, you’re insane.
I am getting really fucking tired of people telling me I should sacrifice my daughter to this genocide because there’s another genocide somewhere else. Along with people like you denying it’s even happening so you can accuse people like me of supporting a different genocide.
Well, don’t get hysterical. I don’t want to kill your child, and I’m not accusing you of supporting… anything, really.
Denying that an ongoing genocide perpetuated by Republicans that my child will be caught up in if Trump gets elected isn’t even happening implies that, at the very least, you don’t give a shit if my child dies and that voting for Biden wouldn’t help anyway.
Because it’s either that or you are totally ignorant of many years of Republican attitudes towards queer people in the U.S. and the many attempts to erase them from society which are only gaining steam.
And I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you don’t live under a rock.
I don’t live in the USA, no.
Okay, so then maybe don’t deny a genocide you’ve just been informed exists just because you don’t live in that country.
You spend too much time on the internet.
Yeaah… It won’t stop at transgender. Dude will have a kill list of all political opponents day one. Being liberal in America will be like being a jew in WW2 Germany. You’ll have a target on your back if identified.
I dont think it will be that extreme, being a liberal in America will be like being a liberal in America during the red scare.
Bro he shot teargas at protestors for a shitty photo-op and that wasn’t even the worst of it, also, that implies that getting the red scare treatment wasn’t a hell unto itself, people had their lives ruined by that shit on the reg.
How quick we forget…
People need to get their head out of their asses in regard to Trump and his supporters. I don’t know how you can be this naive this late in the game. Trump and his supporters will be every but as bad as we fear. Do you know how I know? They were ready to hang Mike Pence on January 6th and he was previously on their side what the hell do you think they’ll do when you’re not on their side.
I dont think it will be that extreme, being a liberal in America will be like being a liberal in America during the red scare.
How naive.
I know you gotta sell ads, but how fucked is it the one on this article was promoting a shirt that says, „if you want to make everything electric, start at the border wall.“
I don’t get it. What does that mean?
Electrify the border wall to zap the people who managed to get past the river boobytrapped with razor wire.
Wow. I don’t even want to know who would wear a shirt like that.
About 62 million Americans if the last national poll was accurate.
I hate being right sometimes. Pretty soon interracial marriage will somehow be a topic again.
Trump is already talking about how American bloodlines are getting too muddy. It’s already here, they just haven’t said the quiet part out loud yet.
Don’t forget. Black people love him!! 🤪
He made them sneakers!
“You people like your sneakers!”
Some of the shit he said during that speech… “my favorite color is black.” “I can only see black people.” “I’m just rapping with you.”
And then Jimmy Kimmel got a shot of the audience- a sea of white faces.
There was an association for Jews who liked Hitler
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
Clarence Thomas and His Elaborate Ruse That Dismantled a Nation Because He Was Too Much of a Coward to File for Divorce
For a moment there I thought you were talking about Henry the eighth
No, that’s just the title of latest manga by Junji Ito
Why would he divorce her? She’s his insurance.
In January they’re going to be too busy trying to steal another election for trump
Every time I see this photo I think he’s wearing a French foreign legion kepi
Keep in mind though, that there’s a LOT of bad-faith propaganda-shilling accounts right here on lemmy desperately trying to convince you that both sides are equally as bad and not to vote this year.
Best advice is to report and block them when they share their misinformation and don’t fall for it.
I’m sure we all know who I’m talking about.
I address those people with “Fuck Putin.”
Please do not take this as a rejection of the necessity to fuck that bastard, but these people most likely have no connection to him. They are your own, homegrown problem that you need to deal with. And given the numbers, in a non-violent way, unless you really are into civil wars.
Whatever you say, Ivan. Dasvidaniya.
“Fascists gonna fascist” is hardly Russian propaganda. Russia had certainly played a part but it’s foolish to imagine they bear the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening now. Homegrown fascists were putting the pieces in place long before Russia (or the Soviet Union) had an effective propaganda program.
“Fascists gonna fascist” is hardly Russian propaganda. Russia had certainly played a part but it’s foolish to imagine they bear the majority of the responsibility for what’s happening now. Homegrown fascists were putting the pieces in place long before Russia (or the Soviet Union) had an effective propaganda program.
You got my name wrong, but that is ok. It was not Putin who voted for Trump, and not him who keeps supporting him even now. Though Putin must feel really good about them, I am sure. Anyway, keep daydreaming your country into collapse if you like. This empire must also end, as all of them.
Lol have you seen hexbear recently? They are outright rooting for Russia to steamroll Ukraine. They don’t even hide it. The whole thing is so obviously a (very stupid) Russian psyop it’s honestly a bit shocking more people can’t see it plainly.
Nope, i have the whole instance blocked - enough shit in my life without them. It is actually quite amusing how the hard right ppl in Russia and the US are somehow gravitating to each other. Given the fact that they also hate each other for being from the enemy states (they always have very strong beliefs on the subject of who is the enemy), it is puzzling how they can voluntarily be so close in other aspects.
Yep. I’ve had multiple people suggest that Biden would be just as bad when it came to the rights of queer people. The sad thing is, some people get convinced by that.
Some people really will believe anything about someone they don’t like. Like I’m not a Biden fan, but he has been solidly ok for a US President
He’s sure as hell better than the alternative on offer.
Exactly. I can hold my breath and vote for a candidate I don’t like if his opponent is a fascist. Especially one so brazen.
We didn’t get here by fascists holding their vote unless the right went right enough. They spread their ideology and encouraged people to see it as bit enough of a problem to abandon their single issue while indoctrinating enough people into their camp to gain the ability to primary in sufficiently fascist candidates.
We on the far left need to become a dependable voting block that is worth courting then start winning primaries.
We didn’t get here by fascists holding their vote unless the right went right enough.
That is a very good point I plan on using in the future.
Glad to help. My wife and I have been discussing how we got here lately and I think that’s an important discussion for the left to have. While we were arguing the far right gerrymandered half the country and took control of their party.
Tactics are cause agnostic. It’s a valuable lesson to learn for two reasons: your enemies will steal any tactic you use on them and you can steal any tactic they use too. Some tactics don’t work for some causes, you can’t manipulate fear and xenophobia to create a diverse society of equality and acceptance. But we can primary the shit out of anyone unwilling to deal with climate change or who isn’t fully in favor of an explicit right to privacy and bodily autonomy. We can have a left wing version of the tea party.
Someone just earlier today told me that Biden and Trump’s policies were exactly the same except maybe on abortion. They 100% believe that. I don’t know if they’re stupid, ignorant, or evil.
Sure, right wings are way way worse, yes, don’t vote for Trump, vote for (probably) Biden
But don’t fall in the trap where you just block anyone that disagrees, or you’ll find yourself becoming that which you hate, just on the other side.
Just because Biden isn’t as bad as trump, it’s a VERY low bad to cross and there is plenty to criticize. Still vote for Biden, obviously, but that doesn’t mean he should get a free pass
Jesus fuck, no one is saying that.
I have gotten a ban for reporting very obvious right wing trolls flying under the thinnest veneer of “leftist” ideology. It’s pretty clear that this is a top down issue on certain instances
Yeah but at least they will stop the genocide in Gaza, right?
Absolutely. By January of next year all the Palestinians should be dead and the genocide will be ended.
If he would only just extend his fingers when he gestured like that. Then it would be a lot clearer to more people what a nasty thing he is.
It wouldn’t change a single thing, I’m pretty sure
That must’ve been the ‘proud boys’ over there, to the RIGHT hand side.
Ice is cold.
Conservatives Plan to Ban Abortion and Cut LGBT Rights
There’s a problem with this headline.
If they f**k with long-established law like this, they’re not “conservatives”.
Sure they are. It’s just what they considered long established and what you consider long established are different. They don’t want to go back to the 70s. They want to go back to the Gilded Age. Or Hell a straight-up feudal monarchy.
I used to think that, but these days I think it’s basically the No True Scotsman fallacy. When most of the the people who call themselves conservative are fascists, then conservatism is fascism. It wasn’t always, but it is now.
They’re conservative insofar as they think peak society was when only cishet white men were allowed to participate.
Conservative doesn’t mean they don’t want to change things, that’s an intentional misconception. Its obvious if you see how much settled precedent they are willing to overturn. Conservatives just believe they deserve power, they think they have the divine right to rule over others and that other people do not have that right.
Conservative doesn’t mean they don’t want to change things, that’s an intentional misconception.
Indeed; they are the masters of Orwellian doublespeak.
Its 2016 all over again.
Every effort to drag the Democratic party over to any kind of popular position is getting labeled as a betrayal. Every effort to oppose Republicans at the state and local level is denounced as uncivil. And as soon as the dust settles in November, the national media will fall in love with the winner, and grow increasingly irate at anyone critical of this abysmally unpopular tumor of a Presidency.
So we’ll just vote them out of office.
After they fucked everything up? They never should have made it into office in the first place.
Yeah, we did that and there was an insurrection… Do you think if they get voted in this time and then lose next round that they will leave peacefully?
