I switched to Firefox many years ago, after their announcement I switched to Waterfox and I’m very happy with it.
Ima be honest. I don’t run ad blockers. The way I see it, if I’m consuming content from a given source and that source invested time and/or money into said content then they deserve to be compensated for it. I am not willing to pay a subscription for every website out there, so ads are an acceptable compromise.
Your annoyance does not pay the bills though. You are annoying yourself for nothing.
If enough people block the ads then that’s a significant hit for publications.
It doesn’t really annoy me though. I guess I have high tolerance. Maybe it’s also because I rarely use YouTube, thats the only place ads have annoyed me and only because they are constant and impossible to ignore.
At this point ad blocking is more about security and optimization than stopping ads themselves. If a site wants to run some banner ads to pay for costs, I have nothing against it, but once Javascript is involved, that just becomes a vulnerability for attack.
Also, websites that bury their content in layers of overlay and popup ads with loud audio and several unrelated videos can go fuck themselves.
Good, click on them for the rest of us
I agree with you in principle but in practice way too many sites are doing ads in bullshit ways. If they were just along a sidebar or at the top/bottom of the page I’d have no issue but usually they affect the actual usability of the site and I’m not dealing with that. If they want to expose me to ads they need to make it not a problem for me.
Also ads have served a lot of malware
I legitimately don’t understand how people tolerate using the internet without an adblocker just from a usability standpoint.
Some pages are fine but frequently wandering to new pages on the internet is an experience in frustration.
I use an adblocker. I wouldn’t click on an ad even if I could see it.
I run ad blockers. As a security measure. Ad companies collect insane amount of data and do a bunch of shady stuff whenever they can get away with it.
I want to support websites whenever I’m able, but the way ad companies operate just ain’t it.
If they clean up their act, maybe then I could stop using ad blockers, but it’s been decades and I don’t have high hopes.
Also using ad blockers for performance and usability reasons. For example, I used to use a bunch of Fandom wikis and couldn’t understand why people hated the UI. Then I saw how Fandom looks like without ad blockers and holy shit how can humans live like this
There have been very decent alternatives, but they never took off.
One such was Flattr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flattr
Flattr was a Swedish-based microdonation subscription service, where subscribers opted in to pay a monthly patronage to help fund their favourite websites and creators. It shut down in November 2023.[1]
Flattr subscribers installed an open-source browser extension that records which websites they frequent and shares this data with Flattr.[2] Flattr processes this user data and pays out shares of the user’s subscription to each registered Flattr creator based on which websites the user consumed.[3] Flattr filtered websites by domains with a default allowlist of participating domains, but individual users could override and contribute to any website they want or withhold contributions from any website.[4]
I used it for a while, but not many websites and creators used it, so most of my money was going towards a select few.
I respect your stance and I agree with the subscription vs ads decision, websites need to make money somehow and I dont want to pay a subscription for everything either. I do run an adblocker but whitelist websites I use often and that dont have intrusive ads. It unfortunately affects websites that I visit quickly and dont come back to, they get a visitor but no advertisements. Its not a perfect solution but ads tend to be very intrusive on random websites.
You remind me of the old guy at work who called me a “FUCKING FREELOADER” because I told him about uBlock origin.
I’m never recommending it again to anyone and I have since kept it a secret that I use an ad-blocker. I guess it’s a problem for people.
That guy sounds like he thinks his kids owe him money for raising them. Disregard the stupid bastard.
Don’t let this one person stop you.
I’m still recommended it to everybody.
I do, but it’s less about the ads and more about privacy. I don’t use things like sponsor block because there’s pretty much no privacy violation there. But I do use an ad blocker because advertisers track me across websites to build up a profile.
I also don’t want to make a free account, again because of privacy concerns (both from the site and from any data breaches.
I’m happy to pay a little for content, but I haven’t yet seen a system that respects my privacy and is reasonably priced. If that was a thing, I’d totally pay.
I just use Safari and private relay for that. But yeah I can understand that particular point. I mean I’m not against ad blockers, it’s just that I don’t use them for the reasons I stated.
That’s totally fair.
I’d really like some extension where I can compensate websites in exchange for not having ads. Let me load up a balance and present the option to deduct $0.0X to see read/watch past the teaser. The website wouldn’t need to track me to get paid, and the browser/extension could merely track balances and keep an anonymous accounting of transactions to send a single larger payment later (to save on fees).
I’d totally use that.
Axate (used to be called Agate) is trying something like this. Popbitch (sue me) use it to charge 0.25 per article or 0.50 for access for a week, but it doesn’t seem to be very widespread
I tried https://popbitch.com/royal-blush/ on firefox with ublock turned off and the microtransaction box after the faded out text still didn’t display so it might have some way to go yet
Axate
Huh, I hadn’t heard about them, probably because they’re UK based? Thanks! I’ll check them out.
I still use Google news, I really need to get rid of it but I’ve been slacking. Anyways, every once in a while I’ll click on a story and the website will literally be paragraphs separated by gigantic, scrollable ads, and ads between paragraphs done in a way that you’re not sure if you’ve actually finished the story or not.
I can’t use fathom being on those websites without an adblocker. It’s horrendous.
Might I recommend an RSS reader? I use feeeds on iOS, it’s fantastic and 100% percent free.
But then how do you pay the content creator?
Look, the boot tastes perfectly fine. Besides, how will the millionaires eat if I don’t spend my attention to get them paid? What’s another ad. And another ad. Ads when I drive, ads when I park. Ads when I’m reading the news and ads when I’m watching TV. Anyone else hungry for <insert chain restaurant here> lol.
Not everything I view online deserves money. I decide what is worth it to give money to and I decide what news articles I’m allowed to read.
The big assumption here is that the website had time or money invested in it. I feel like the vast majority of websites these days are just ai garbage with enough ads to prevent you from even reading the thing and give your computer herpies as a bonus. The era of good faith advertising where the ads were reasonable and balanced with the quality of content is long gone. Most sites are now explicitly designed for exploitive data harvesting and endless ad delivery.
Of course, some websites are exceptions to this and adblock can easily be toggled off for those websites if you really want to support them. Taking off protections for a trusted partner though is quite different from raw dogging the whole internet
Bike cuck vibes
I agree with your reasoning but I still do run an adblocker. There are only 3 things in my life (that I can think of) where what I think is right and what I actually do don’t align: adblocking, piracy and eating meat.
Correct me if I’m wrong but extensions can still be installed manually correct?
The functionality to run those extensions has been removed, so manual install won’t work.
Manifest v2 extensions won’t work, the API it needs will be gone soon
Also since 2015, Google has made it VERY hard to install extensions without the web store. This extends to most chrome derivatives as well.
There are workarounds if you use ungoogled-chromium (Method 2 should work with normal chrome as well).
the what store now
I really hope some team has been following the changes in Chrome/Chromium by Google to remove Manifest v2, and has been keeping a patchset that will undo the damage? Time to make a hard fork and get some funding to try to keep it going?
Multiple browsers have said they will keep support while the code is still there (in Chromium it’s still there, only disabled for now).
When it is removed from Chromium, it’s probably going to disappear for most or all major Chromium browsers.
Well I would seriously consider paying money to a team that keeps it there, if Chromium actually removes the code. I hope others will consider it as well. We need to fight this, even if it means paying some money to a foundation to do so.
Use Firefox and you don’t need to worry about that. Everything being Chromium comes with a whole lot of different problems.
i expect at least the ‘big’ ‘non megacorp’ chromium based ones like vivaldi, opera, brave to keep mv2 as long as it is possible.
but i can totally see google doing some serious mangling of the codebase to make patching-in mv2 difficult.
There’s the futile hope I suppose that antitrust cases going on against Alphabet might force Google to divest Chrome from its advertising arm, so that there’s no pressure to make this whole thing worse. Hah, in my dreams.
On paper they gave the keys to the Linux foundation, but since they still pay most of the developers working on it the only thing it might achieve is taking resources away from Servo.
that would be funny, won’t happen–but funny af. google loses chrome, new owners revert mv2’s removal and go all-in on user control of their browser experience.
i was able to load it in a (not chrome) chromium-based browser without issue, just the notice across the addon’s page.
the ‘lite’ version is also on there, seems to work ‘ok’. adguard and a few others are also there–they must all be mv3, as only the full ubo has the warning notice on its page of those i checked.
all the mv3 ones run the risk of having updates rejected or delayed by google, especially if they contain code or filter updates (filters must be packed with the addon in mv3) to combat changes google makes to their own sites. firefox or a trusted customized build or maintained fork is the way to go now.
Chrome? I’ve heard of that once.
I am from Germany and it is just sad how many people use these apps from shit companies without thinking, when suitable alternatives exist everywhere. Just use Firefox, it will work for 99,9% without any flaw. I would love to ditch WhatsApp, but could only convinge a few people to change to Signal. It is as easy as downloading a new app to prevent supporting Meta, but that’s too much effort for many :-(
That was a loud ball drop from Google’s hands.
Switch to vivaldi
Does Vivaldi not just use the Chrome store for extensions? Also, aren’t they losing manifest V2 as soon as it’s dropped from Chromium in a few more months?
Not sure how Vivaldi uses extensions since you cannot add new ones from the chrome store, but if that happens we’re gonna need to go to Firefox eventually. I currently love Vivaldi due to simplicity and the swipe up to open tabs page. Wish more browsers integrated that or just better & fluid animations
Not sure how Vivaldi uses extensions since you cannot add new ones from the chrome store…
Extensions in Vivaldi come from the Chrome Web Store, not sure what you mean by this
I’m using the mobile app which doesn’t let you use extensions from the chrome store, if you guys are talking desktop, I might be wrong.
Okay that makes way more sense then yeah. I don’t know of a single chromium browser that supports extensions on mobile so unsurprising
Any Chromium-based browser will be in the same boat sooner or later. None of them have the resources to continue to support v2 long-term, or to support their own extension stores.
At this point the only viable alternative is Firefox and its dirivatives.
switch to firefox (or a fork of firefox like librewolf).
vivaldi just uses chrome’s web store (there’s a discussion on the forums to build their own extension store but no movement yet: https://forum.vivaldi.net/topic/91160/vivaldi-s-own-extension-store/20)
Waterfox runs nicely on pc. Still a little rough on android though
i have ironfox on android.
I didn’t realize there were firefox forks, are any of them significantly better than firefox?
I use librewolf just because it’s privacy focused.
But, there is also waterfox, floorp, and mercury, just off the top of my head.
librefox is very good; it comes with ublock and various other privacy features pre-installed, i’ve been leaning toward them more just because they embraced mastodon more. mullvad also has one.
i typically go between firefox nightly and librefox.
Is there actually a librefox too? I only know of Librewolf which I started using
oops, sorry! i’m an idiot and i miss typed! >_>
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm
Still shows up for me
shows up but it is not selectable
My guess is that they’re doing it in waves. I’ve been hearing about it removed for weeks, only happened to me a few days ago.
They are.
Probably not a popular choice, but my VPN comes with an ad blocker which works great.
I’m still using Nord VPN as I got an insane deal a few years ago. Now it has something called Threat Protection which blocks all ads whether on my desktop browsers or on mobile.
I use proton vpn but you’ll get downvoted no matter what if you don’t use the vpn the bandwagon likes.
This kind is behaviour is a major downfall on platforms like this.
So, um, which VPN does the bandwagon like?
Mullvad. Its only real downside is its lack of port forwarding and it passes all the Lemmy purity tests. You will never be downvoted for recommending it.
Lack of port-forwarding is a deal-breaker, unfortunately.
Nord VPN
lmao
Why is that lmao
Like I said it will be unpopular, but it’s about to expire anyway.
A more helpful response would be to recommend an alternative
Mullvad VPN
Always my recommendation as well
Much appreciated, thank you!
GL-AX1800 router with mullvad wireguard vpn config and adguard
I travel full time, so I don’t have my own internet connection.
That’s a travel router, meant specifically for people in your situation.
Appreciated, however I’m down to a 45 liter carry on bag now and I literally have no space to carry my own router around.
Understood. For what it’s worth, this is another one of their products that’s quite small:
https://www.gl-inet.com/products/gl-mt3000/
It supports several VPN services out of the box.
Thanks for the link.
In all my travels, in all the cafés, libraries, hotels and co-working spaces I’ve used around the world, never have I seen anyone pull out their own router.
I’m not dismissing it’s potential or usefulness, I just think that for me to avoid adverts and to connect to a few streaming services from weird locations it might be a bit overkill.
Sure thing! It can absolutely all be done from your phone; this is just another method if you have multiple devices.
You can just use a free adblocking DNS for that.
A browser adblocker is better for a few tricky ads.
It’s really annoying to me that Firefox doesn’t seem to work well on my chromebook, so I’m stuck with Chrome until I need a new computer…
- Chrome is no longer available in my phone, computer,…
Never was.
They hate us
Always have
It is 100000% a reason to split Chrome and the ad sales part of Google into different companies.
It won’t solve the problem but the pressures end up being orders of magnitude different.
Frankly they should probably split off the ad side from everything else.