• jam_scot@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I switched to Firefox many years ago, after their announcement I switched to Waterfox and I’m very happy with it.

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    2 months ago

    Ima be honest. I don’t run ad blockers. The way I see it, if I’m consuming content from a given source and that source invested time and/or money into said content then they deserve to be compensated for it. I am not willing to pay a subscription for every website out there, so ads are an acceptable compromise.

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        2 months ago

        If enough people block the ads then that’s a significant hit for publications.

        It doesn’t really annoy me though. I guess I have high tolerance. Maybe it’s also because I rarely use YouTube, thats the only place ads have annoyed me and only because they are constant and impossible to ignore.

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      2 months ago

      At this point ad blocking is more about security and optimization than stopping ads themselves. If a site wants to run some banner ads to pay for costs, I have nothing against it, but once Javascript is involved, that just becomes a vulnerability for attack.

      Also, websites that bury their content in layers of overlay and popup ads with loud audio and several unrelated videos can go fuck themselves.

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      2 months ago

      I agree with you in principle but in practice way too many sites are doing ads in bullshit ways. If they were just along a sidebar or at the top/bottom of the page I’d have no issue but usually they affect the actual usability of the site and I’m not dealing with that. If they want to expose me to ads they need to make it not a problem for me.

    • SHOW_ME_YOUR_ASSHOLE@lemm.ee
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      2 months ago

      I legitimately don’t understand how people tolerate using the internet without an adblocker just from a usability standpoint.

      Some pages are fine but frequently wandering to new pages on the internet is an experience in frustration.

      I use an adblocker. I wouldn’t click on an ad even if I could see it.

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      2 months ago

      I run ad blockers. As a security measure. Ad companies collect insane amount of data and do a bunch of shady stuff whenever they can get away with it.

      I want to support websites whenever I’m able, but the way ad companies operate just ain’t it.

      If they clean up their act, maybe then I could stop using ad blockers, but it’s been decades and I don’t have high hopes.

      Also using ad blockers for performance and usability reasons. For example, I used to use a bunch of Fandom wikis and couldn’t understand why people hated the UI. Then I saw how Fandom looks like without ad blockers and holy shit how can humans live like this

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      2 months ago

      There have been very decent alternatives, but they never took off.

      One such was Flattr. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flattr

      Flattr was a Swedish-based microdonation subscription service, where subscribers opted in to pay a monthly patronage to help fund their favourite websites and creators. It shut down in November 2023.[1]

      Flattr subscribers installed an open-source browser extension that records which websites they frequent and shares this data with Flattr.[2] Flattr processes this user data and pays out shares of the user’s subscription to each registered Flattr creator based on which websites the user consumed.[3] Flattr filtered websites by domains with a default allowlist of participating domains, but individual users could override and contribute to any website they want or withhold contributions from any website.[4]

      I used it for a while, but not many websites and creators used it, so most of my money was going towards a select few.

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      2 months ago

      I respect your stance and I agree with the subscription vs ads decision, websites need to make money somehow and I dont want to pay a subscription for everything either. I do run an adblocker but whitelist websites I use often and that dont have intrusive ads. It unfortunately affects websites that I visit quickly and dont come back to, they get a visitor but no advertisements. Its not a perfect solution but ads tend to be very intrusive on random websites.

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      2 months ago

      You remind me of the old guy at work who called me a “FUCKING FREELOADER” because I told him about uBlock origin.

      I’m never recommending it again to anyone and I have since kept it a secret that I use an ad-blocker. I guess it’s a problem for people.

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        2 months ago

        That guy sounds like he thinks his kids owe him money for raising them. Disregard the stupid bastard.

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        2 months ago

        Don’t let this one person stop you.

        I’m still recommended it to everybody.

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      2 months ago

      I do, but it’s less about the ads and more about privacy. I don’t use things like sponsor block because there’s pretty much no privacy violation there. But I do use an ad blocker because advertisers track me across websites to build up a profile.

      I also don’t want to make a free account, again because of privacy concerns (both from the site and from any data breaches.

      I’m happy to pay a little for content, but I haven’t yet seen a system that respects my privacy and is reasonably priced. If that was a thing, I’d totally pay.

      • Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works
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        2 months ago

        I just use Safari and private relay for that. But yeah I can understand that particular point. I mean I’m not against ad blockers, it’s just that I don’t use them for the reasons I stated.

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          2 months ago

          That’s totally fair.

          I’d really like some extension where I can compensate websites in exchange for not having ads. Let me load up a balance and present the option to deduct $0.0X to see read/watch past the teaser. The website wouldn’t need to track me to get paid, and the browser/extension could merely track balances and keep an anonymous accounting of transactions to send a single larger payment later (to save on fees).

          I’d totally use that.

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            2 months ago

            Axate (used to be called Agate) is trying something like this. Popbitch (sue me) use it to charge 0.25 per article or 0.50 for access for a week, but it doesn’t seem to be very widespread

            I tried https://popbitch.com/royal-blush/ on firefox with ublock turned off and the microtransaction box after the faded out text still didn’t display so it might have some way to go yet

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      2 months ago

      I still use Google news, I really need to get rid of it but I’ve been slacking. Anyways, every once in a while I’ll click on a story and the website will literally be paragraphs separated by gigantic, scrollable ads, and ads between paragraphs done in a way that you’re not sure if you’ve actually finished the story or not.

      I can’t use fathom being on those websites without an adblocker. It’s horrendous.

    • WagyuSneakers@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      Look, the boot tastes perfectly fine. Besides, how will the millionaires eat if I don’t spend my attention to get them paid? What’s another ad. And another ad. Ads when I drive, ads when I park. Ads when I’m reading the news and ads when I’m watching TV. Anyone else hungry for <insert chain restaurant here> lol.

      Not everything I view online deserves money. I decide what is worth it to give money to and I decide what news articles I’m allowed to read.

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      2 months ago

      The big assumption here is that the website had time or money invested in it. I feel like the vast majority of websites these days are just ai garbage with enough ads to prevent you from even reading the thing and give your computer herpies as a bonus. The era of good faith advertising where the ads were reasonable and balanced with the quality of content is long gone. Most sites are now explicitly designed for exploitive data harvesting and endless ad delivery.

      Of course, some websites are exceptions to this and adblock can easily be toggled off for those websites if you really want to support them. Taking off protections for a trusted partner though is quite different from raw dogging the whole internet

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      2 months ago

      I agree with your reasoning but I still do run an adblocker. There are only 3 things in my life (that I can think of) where what I think is right and what I actually do don’t align: adblocking, piracy and eating meat.

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    2 months ago

    I really hope some team has been following the changes in Chrome/Chromium by Google to remove Manifest v2, and has been keeping a patchset that will undo the damage? Time to make a hard fork and get some funding to try to keep it going?

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      Multiple browsers have said they will keep support while the code is still there (in Chromium it’s still there, only disabled for now).

      When it is removed from Chromium, it’s probably going to disappear for most or all major Chromium browsers.

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        Well I would seriously consider paying money to a team that keeps it there, if Chromium actually removes the code. I hope others will consider it as well. We need to fight this, even if it means paying some money to a foundation to do so.

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      i expect at least the ‘big’ ‘non megacorp’ chromium based ones like vivaldi, opera, brave to keep mv2 as long as it is possible.

      but i can totally see google doing some serious mangling of the codebase to make patching-in mv2 difficult.

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        There’s the futile hope I suppose that antitrust cases going on against Alphabet might force Google to divest Chrome from its advertising arm, so that there’s no pressure to make this whole thing worse. Hah, in my dreams.

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          On paper they gave the keys to the Linux foundation, but since they still pay most of the developers working on it the only thing it might achieve is taking resources away from Servo.

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          that would be funny, won’t happen–but funny af. google loses chrome, new owners revert mv2’s removal and go all-in on user control of their browser experience.

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    2 months ago

    i was able to load it in a (not chrome) chromium-based browser without issue, just the notice across the addon’s page.

    the ‘lite’ version is also on there, seems to work ‘ok’. adguard and a few others are also there–they must all be mv3, as only the full ubo has the warning notice on its page of those i checked.

    all the mv3 ones run the risk of having updates rejected or delayed by google, especially if they contain code or filter updates (filters must be packed with the addon in mv3) to combat changes google makes to their own sites. firefox or a trusted customized build or maintained fork is the way to go now.

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    2 months ago

    I am from Germany and it is just sad how many people use these apps from shit companies without thinking, when suitable alternatives exist everywhere. Just use Firefox, it will work for 99,9% without any flaw. I would love to ditch WhatsApp, but could only convinge a few people to change to Signal. It is as easy as downloading a new app to prevent supporting Meta, but that’s too much effort for many :-(

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      Does Vivaldi not just use the Chrome store for extensions? Also, aren’t they losing manifest V2 as soon as it’s dropped from Chromium in a few more months?

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        Not sure how Vivaldi uses extensions since you cannot add new ones from the chrome store, but if that happens we’re gonna need to go to Firefox eventually. I currently love Vivaldi due to simplicity and the swipe up to open tabs page. Wish more browsers integrated that or just better & fluid animations

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          Not sure how Vivaldi uses extensions since you cannot add new ones from the chrome store…

          Extensions in Vivaldi come from the Chrome Web Store, not sure what you mean by this

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            I’m using the mobile app which doesn’t let you use extensions from the chrome store, if you guys are talking desktop, I might be wrong.

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      Any Chromium-based browser will be in the same boat sooner or later. None of them have the resources to continue to support v2 long-term, or to support their own extension stores.

      At this point the only viable alternative is Firefox and its dirivatives.

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        I didn’t realize there were firefox forks, are any of them significantly better than firefox?

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          I use librewolf just because it’s privacy focused.

          But, there is also waterfox, floorp, and mercury, just off the top of my head.

        • katy ✨@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          librefox is very good; it comes with ublock and various other privacy features pre-installed, i’ve been leaning toward them more just because they embraced mastodon more. mullvad also has one.

          i typically go between firefox nightly and librefox.

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    Probably not a popular choice, but my VPN comes with an ad blocker which works great.

    I’m still using Nord VPN as I got an insane deal a few years ago. Now it has something called Threat Protection which blocks all ads whether on my desktop browsers or on mobile.

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    It’s really annoying to me that Firefox doesn’t seem to work well on my chromebook, so I’m stuck with Chrome until I need a new computer…