Tel Aviv has stepped up indiscriminate attacks against displaced Palestinians in northern Gaza due to the army’s failure to ‘dismantle’ Hamas
This source is heavily biased against Israel. I wouldn’t trust them for news regarding this conflict.
While it demonstrated a clear opposition to Israel and the West, The Cradle did not appear to weigh in on other topics relevant to right-left U.S. politics. Site searches for “liberal,” “conservative,” “right-wing,” and “left-wing” yielded few results.
However, The Cradle frequently cast “far-right” Israeli politicians in a negative light. While the reviewer noted that this was likely due more to the region’s specific politics than any alignment with U.S. partisan polarization, The Cradle’s clear anti-Israel stance made it difficult to justify a Center rating.
The reviewer noted a general trend of coverage sympathetic to Arab Muslims and suspicious of Israel and the West. This could be seen in The Cradle’s extensive coverage of the Israel-Hamas conflict, which often highlighted faults by Israel. Notable headlines included “Israeli police unable to verify ‘Hamas rape’ stories,” “Israel defender Alan Dershowitz named in Epstein court docs,” “Michael Hudson: A roadmap to escape the west’s stranglehold,” and “‘Unprecedented’ surge in West Bank settlement activities.” The Cradle also published interviews with representatives of militant groups like Palestinian Islamic Jihad and Middle Eastern politicians like Iraqi ex-PM Adil Abdul-Mahdi.They’re biased against a genocidal fascist state? Say it isn’t so!
I suspect this story from CNN is about the same incident: https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/29/middleeast/gaza-city-deaths-food-israel-intl/index.html
Thanks!
Step 2: show that what they said was wrong.
I said it was from a biased source, not that it was wrong, but if you want to see an example of why it’s bad compare the death count in the CNN report vs. this one. It’s not “thousands” gunned down, even according to Hamas:
The Palestinian Ministry of Health in Gaza said 104 were killed and more than 700 injured in the incident, one of the deadliest since the war in Gaza began.
It also includes IDF statements which paint a very different picture of events:
In an initial account, Israel said Gaza residents surrounded the aid trucks and looted the supplies. “During the incident, dozens of Gazans were injured as a result of pushing and trampling,” the Israel Defense Forces told CNN.
An Israeli military spokesperson later said in a briefing that there were two separate incidents involving aid trucks.
First, he says trucks went to the north and were swarmed by crowds, with trucks running over people. Subsequently, he says, a group of Palestinians approached Israeli forces, who then opened fire on the Palestinians.
“The truckloads went into the north, then there was the stampede, and then afterwards, there was the event against our forces. That’s how things transpired this morning,” the spokesman said.I don’t believe anything offhand from such a source, especially on matters regarding Israel, nor should you. Stick to credible organizations if you prefer objective reporting to emotionally charged propaganda.
It also includes IDF statements which paint a very different picture of events:
Stick to credible organizations if you prefer objective reporting to emotionally charged propaganda.
You ok?
Don’t you think articles should include statements from both relevant parties?
Israel is responsible for making these people desperate enough that they get trampled in a rush for scarce food. Israel also admits it opened fire on a crowd of hungry civilians. Nothing about this makes the IDF look anything other than very bad.
Although that may be true, a shooting by defense forces at a chaotic scene of looting is certainly more understandable and less egregious than opening fire on innocent people orderly lining up. This article distorts the fundamental facts of what happened. It’s clear they want to make Israel look as villainous as possible, objectivity be damned.
Dudes drunk the koolaid. Probably not worth the effort to get him to think critically
These people are straight up dogs of the empire. This user’s history is just denying the ongoing genocide and defending “israel” and the US’s “democracy”
Because I disagree with you the only possible explanation is that I don’t think critically? Piss off.
Because you’ve got some naive beliefs about the state of the world …
We should just agree to block each other. Cheers
Slightly misleading title: Preliminary estimates range from 80-200 dead, uncounted hundreds wounded.
Fuck israel.
I’m assuming they counted the people wounded.
No. The article says the number wounded is likely in the hundreds. The headline is exaggerating a tragic event.
Let’s not split hairs between dead or wounded. Getting wounded while starving and no hospitals functioning and everyone around you has dysentery dooms someone to a very slow, very painful death.
I’m not splitting hairs over dead vs wounded.
The headline says thousands were gunned down (dead and wounded: total casualties), but the article says combined dead and wounded are in the hundreds.
I’m “splitting hairs” over the headline exaggerating an already horrific event by an order of magnitude.
No. Many are still unaccounted for.
The latest count on Al-Jazeera was 109 with over 800 wounded, and reports of 40 bodies bulldozed away that no one can reach. They did shoot at a crowd of thousands.
Ok. Why lie? Those numbers are fucked enough. Now I feel mislead
Also is this the same event?
They’re shooting to kill. If they hit someone, that person has been gunned down whether they die immediately or after bleeding out. They’re shooting at a crowd of thousands, and 800 are dead or dying as a result, according to Al Jazeera. So maybe we need to wait a few more hours before the 1000+ number can be confirmed, but it’s already obvious Israel was aiming for ‘thousands’.
“Israel” really wants to dethrone nazi Germany huh. No wonder zionists and nazis have a history of cooperating.
Excuse me, the US is still the king of genocide.
Gonna throw a hat in the ring here for the British Empire as the king of genocide.
Please, do tell, how is the USA the most genocidal country on this earth?
No the first try was enough, I was just giving you the benefit of the doubt in case you were a child or just got a computer.
Benefit of the doubt in what regard? The claim was that USA was the most genocidal country.
I appreciate you giving a child like me the benefit of the doubt. Are you smarter than a 5th grader?
Iirc ghenkis khan has everyone else beat.
Depends on the estimates you use.
No it doesn’t. It’s not even close. In terms of the worst genocides in history by death toll, the U.S. doesn’t even make the top 10 list. Same with a more general list of anthropogenic disasters by death toll.
Leave that hurr durr US is big bad amirite shit on reddit.
Do you… Think that list is authoritative?
The population of Indigenous Americans is estimated to have decreased from approximately 145 million to around 10 million.
135 million.
Not all of that was the US, the old empires of France and Spain and England played a huge role, but since it’s founding the US has killed millions along with Canada and Mexico. Disease played a large role, but much of that was deliberately spread which muddies the estimates.
And that’s just one of the genocides the US was involved in. There have been many others.
Do you… Think that list is authoritative?
Do you… want to provide more authoritative sources? Or even just start with one? So far you’ve cited zero.
Remember, your original assertion was “the US is still the king of genocide.” Assuming your vague phrase of “king of genocide” means total number of people killed, then show an authoritative source that proves it, then we can talk.
My attention was originally brought to this by the book Lies My Teacher Told Me - I listened to an audiobook so sadly I can’t really search it for the relevant passage without investing a bunch of time. Instead, here’s the relevant Wikipedia article which covers it. “The population of Indigenous Americans is estimated to have decreased from approximately 145 million to around 7-15 million between the late 15th and late 17th centuries, representing a decline of around 90-95%.”
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Where is your list, or sources? Or should we just believe queermunist who I’m guessing is more sympathetic to communist nations?
Leave that hurr durr US is big bad amirite shit on reddit.
I think you misspelled China. Reddit being completely filled with imperial core propaganda is one of the main reasons a lot of us came to Lemmy.
Brits and Spaniards didn’t kill like 50 million people for you to give the crown to an upstart
That genocide isn’t the only genocide the US has been part of, either as a direct genocidier or indirectly by supporting the genocidal regime.
No one is gonna take this crown from the US!
Hot take, but I think we got a dethronement.
They try to not be open about it though, at least to its own population, unlike “israel”.
It’s basically a US colony in Palestine though so ig it’s a moot point.
No, not really. There’s a lot of whitewashing of US history, especially in textbooks. If you ask the average American they wouldn’t even call anything the US did “genocide.”
I recommend reading Lies My Teacher Told Me.
There’s a lot of whitewashing of US history, especially in textbooks. If you ask the average American they wouldn’t even call anything the US did “genocide.”
That’s what I mean. The US is built on genocide and colonization just like “israel”, but they try to not be open about it.
Oh no that’s new. Back when the genocide was in a more active phase and there were “Indian Wars” they were very explicit about it.
But today, you’re right, they just teach a few key atrocities and handwave the other hundred million. I must have misread lol
I think that’s just the different stages of settler-colonial development.
Smallpox did most of the genociding, killed ~90% of Native Americans. It would have been a much different situation and outcome if colonists arrived and the Americas were not depopulated from pandemic. I often wonder what that world would be like.
Go back far enough and everyone is where they are because their ancestors killed whomever was there first. Not that it justifies anything, but it’s genocides all the way down. Even native Americans wiped out a prior civilization if you go back far enough.
This is what happens when humanitarian aid is denied for weeks. When food becomes not only scarce but literally gone, there is no order, there is no line, it’s every person for themselves. Just looking at some of the replies to that X post reminds me:
- Why I don’t touch Birdsite anymore
- That many people are reptiles wearing human skin.
- That Gaza has become a death camp, run by Israel, overseen by the weakest hands the world could provide.
https://twitter.com/afalkhatib/status/1759750070487142895?t=CuLbFmHI4Aniab2ZUs23og&s=19
Northern Gaza right now is the scene of a true hunger/starvation crisis that is absolutely about to spiral out of control. Israel’s refusal to allow desperately needed food aid into the north is worsening this crisis. However, Hamas’s actions are giving Israeli decision-makers and war planners excuses and pretexts not to take rapid action and prevent a humanitarian catastrophe of epic proportions from worsening. Hamas’s irresponsible and damaging actions include continuing to launch rockets from areas where IDF troops withdrew, causing the Israeli military to re-enter those zones and prevent the return of civilians to their neighborhoods.
But here is a particularly egregious example: I and several others behind the scenes are pushing for food airdrops especially in northern Gaza which is unreachable, isolated and receiving virtually no aid from the south. Yesterday, Jordan announced its intention to carry out more airdrops in the north since that is seemingly the only way, for now, to deliver substantial food and humanitarian supplies to the hundreds of thousands of besieged civilians in the north. So, what do the Hamas dark lords in Gaza City do today? They publish videos of a few fighters using shoulder-launched surface to air missiles (SAM-7, Soviet-era Strela-2 IR launchers) to target Israeli helicopters and fixed-wing drones. There is no evidence that these launches successfully downed any aircraft, particularly because the system is ancient and most modern military aircraft are equipped with defensive countermeasures. However, what this does is complicate efforts to conduct food airdrops over northern Gaza either because civilian cargo aircraft lack countermeasures or, more importantly, food airdrops would need to be carried out at a lower altitude, elevating the risk of them being hit by shoulder-launched SAMs. Nevertheless, I maintain that food airdrops can be safely conducted while accounting for the operational risks which can be mitigated
King Abdullah and World Kitchen have both had successful food drops into North Gaza since this was written.
You do realise Israel can open one of their northern crossings and deliver that humanitarian aid with trucks, but they decided not to.
And then stating that they are the victim here is absolutely and utterly ridiculous. They have deliberately created this reality. At any point in time they could have decided to prevent this from happening but nope, they did not.
Plus air drop is an extremely expensive and ineffective way to deliver humanitarian aid and is definitely NOT a long term solution, which has a more symbolic role than anything else.
Not me saying it. This guy is from Gaza. Great that you take exception to what he says
The IDF says Palestinians were hurt by “pushing and trampling”
How irresponsible of the Palestinians not to file out in an orderly manner while being shot.
Considering the amount of people, no doubt that’s true. Starving people have to be handled differently. You can’t just show up with a truck full of food.
It’s the shooting part that’s the problem you sack of shit, it’s the using food as bait for a death trap that’s the problem, you fucking cretin
WTF?! What’s in the mind of those IDF soldiers? “oh look, thousands of hamas troops conveniently standing around in open space waiting to be shot”?
No they are thinking, “these none humans are in the way. Preventing me from owning beach front property. So killing them like vermin is the nice thing to do.”
They don’t really believe they’re shooting at Hamas. They believe they’re shooting at subhuman animals. This is the genocidal mindset.
They know what they are doing. They want the land, but first they need to kill all of the people living there.
This is not coincidence. This is policy.
There’s a Twitter link here from the IDF. The comments show exactly what they are thinking “these are ants, look how funny it is that we killed 100 of them”.
Literally people cheering for a military shooting at starving people. Christ this is what Nazis look like.
How long before Israel starts ironically selling arab skinned lamps?
In a follow‐up story, Haaretz correspondent Dan Sagir interviewed a deputy company commander in the armored corps whose unit served in Jenin at the start of the intifada.
The amount of “comedic” TikToks I’ve seen taken by IDF scum gloating and dancing over the murder of innocent Palestinians is sickening. Filth like this is the very definition of evil. Boycott Divest Sanction of Israel now, in no particular order
How long before Israel starts ironically selling arab skinned lamps?
I’m just gonna leave this link to an article here from 2009 and slowly walk away: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs
Christ this is what Nazis look like.
That’s the thing; they are basically nazis. Zionists have the same goal as nazis of getting Jews out of Europe and weaponizing and exacerbating antisemitism for an imperialist agenda (here, that’s colonialism and the destabilization of the middle-east).
It’s a fascist colony built on the continued genocide and ethnic cleansing of the native Palestinians. It’s inevitable that what you get is a similarly fascist population not unlike that of nazi Germany. Specially with half of the colony’s population being military conscripts who directly carry out the genocide.
Well alright, but i still wouldn’t shoot a vunch of animals hanging out.
Aaahh this must be the famous Israeli security control.
“Are we the baddies?”
“Are we the what??? I can’t hear you over the sound of me shooting into a crowd of innocent children with an assault rifle, you are going to have to hold on a sec until I finish then tell me”
If it were just an “Assault Rife,” like an M16 or Uzi or something, then the casualties wouldn’t be nearly as high. But according to the article it was a heavy machine gun, like one of these:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M240_machine_gun
Which is something that is only depicted in Hollywood films when they want to really drive home the war-crime “bad guy” aspect by having the Nazi’s fire into a crowd.
Yes, but you know the cruelest thing isn’t the bullets, the bombs or the artillery. It is setting up a population of over a million purposefully in an impossible situation with nowhere to go, no access to hospitals (because you specifically destroyed them one by one), and no access to electricity, clean water or food.
Imagine having a fish tank full of cool little fish and just deciding you didn’t want it anymore so you unplugged the lights and oxygenator and stuck the aquarium outside your window in the cold. Then you pulled up a comfy chair next to the window and just sat and watched as the fish slowly starved, suffocated and froze to death. This is what Israel is doing to Gaza, except Gaza is full of human beings not fish.
Actually maybe I am being unfair, in this metaphor the IDF would probably put a post it note on the fish tank that said “EVACUATE AREA” which if you think about it really gives the fish the choice to stay or leave.
It is setting up a population of over a million purposefully in an impossible situation with nowhere to go, no access to hospitals (because you specifically destroyed them one by one), and no access to electricity, clean water or food.
It’s basically Warsaw ghetto, but bigger and with 5 times more people inside.
Your comparison absolutely nailed it. Chapeau
We invaded Iraq for nothing, but jerk off while this happens
jerk off while this happens
Not really. “Israel” is only able to do this because it has the full support of the US empire. They know they can get away with anything so long as the most war-mongering nation on the planet is with them.
If the US cut them off they would just turn to Russia. Putin and Netanyaho are like Putin and Trump. Russia would jump at the chance to broaden their foothold in the Middle East, and it would go perfectly with their narrative of fighting “Nazis” in Ukraine, and it would give the US a black eye.
The US should be doing far more to distance itself from what Israel is doing, but the only way it can actually stop it would be a committed invasion.
“How to radicalize an entire nation in 4 months.”
Remember like a couple of weeks back, when the UN said that Israel had shot at their aid convoy from the sea.
Or the Israelis sitting at the border crossing preventing humanitarian aid being delivered and Israel doing very little about it. All because the suffering of 100 is more important than the suffering of millions. What kind of twisted moral one should have to believe this.
Or Israelian authorities (COGAT) withholding tent poles and delivering the so needed tents without poles, because you know tent poles are very deadly weapons.
And Israel can alleviate the suffering of all Palestinians if they want, just that they don’t want, they want for Palestinians to suffer to learn their place. They are acting as a bully while screaming I am the victim in front of the rest of the world.
Nice Propaganda Welcome to Block
In any normal universe, thousands of innocent people being massacred on a single day would be bigger than 9/11. Yet aside from this post on lemmy, I’ve heard nothing of it. WTF is going on!?
It doesn’t strategically affect the 3 major powers. And also you probably need to tweak your news sources if none of them are telling you about this.
Still a massacre, but did you actually read the article? It says thousands were shot at, not killed. How many people upvoting your comment pointing out a lack of information actually read the article presented to them?
Israeli troops gun down thousands of Palestinians awaiting aid in north Gaza
It says Israeli troops gun down thousands of Palestinians awaiting aid in north Gaza, did you read the fucking article, it’s right in the title.
“gun down thousands”
That does not mean shot at, that means killed.
Did YOU read the article?
No official death toll is yet available; nevertheless, local reports say anywhere between 80 and 200 Gazans were killed during the latest Israeli massacre.
Those that care are powerless.
don’t you know? they’re brown, so it clearly doesn’t matter
Oh boy, I wonder what lie they’ll go for to justify this one.
At Twitter they’re saying that stempade is caused by Hamas trying to steal the aid.
Fascism is fucking horrifying. Fuck the IDF and fuck Netanyahu.
And fuck Biden and the American project. Israel would be nothing without them.
