since they’re gorging on reddit data, they should take the next logical step and scrape 4chan as well
wow, wild stuff
Good, it’s hard getting LLMs to return slurs one letter at a time.
Turns out Poole was a decade ahead of AI, with the self-destructing threads.
Imagine training an AI exclusively off of 4chan posts.
Tbf Tay bot and other chat bots that learned by interacting with users sorta already did this, just indirectly over time.
pretty sure someone did train an ai off 4chan before
Imagine training an AI exclusively off of 4chan posts.
I’d pay good money to see that dumpster fire lol
Eventually every chat gpt request will just be answered with, “I too choose this guy’s dead wife.”
probably the best advice it could give
I can’t wait for Gemini to point out that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer’s table.
That would be a perfect 5/7.
I wonder if the resulting model will be as easy to get triggered into some unhinged 3-paragraphs rants only loosely related to the query. Good luck, google engineers!
It’ll probably just respond to every prompt with “this”
Came here to say this…
No, there’s a lot more variety now that the bots have taken over.:-)
This.
This with rice? 5/7
A perfect score!
You telling me this fried this rice?
7/10
Chat gpt is aware of the event… if you ask about it.
One thing i miss about Lemmy is shittymorph tbf
Be the shittymorph you wish to see in the Lemmy.
There’s only one, and it’s not that guy.
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It’s shittymorph, not Dostoyevsky.
Also all the artists that made comics from posts and responded with only pictures. There were few of them and they were always amazing.
And Andromeda321 for anything space.
And poem for your sprog.
And probably many others!
Good times.
Or who simply communicated with more comics in the comments, like SrGrafo.
Yeah there were some really classic folks. Remember the unidan drama?
I hope it starts a religion based on the second coming of that dude’s dead wife.
I would also worship this guy’s wife.
Food for another white-male-techy-western-biased AI
Yes, Pichai Sundararajan that white male techbro
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Google has signed a content licensing deal with the social media platform, Reuters reported on Wednesday, citing sources familiar with the matter.
Their concerns about what a Reddit-trained AI might be like are probably not unfounded, considering some of the off-the-rails content posts made on the site since its inception in 2005.
Take this guy, who claimed in 2014 that he was caught in a particularly Kafkaesque scenario, where he had to pretend his girlfriend was a giant cockroach named Ogtha when he made love to her.
Like this guy’s viral 2015 post on the 19-million-user strong forum r/TodayIFuckedUp, where he recounted how he went to his girlfriend’s parents’ home, pretended not to know what a potato was, and then got kicked out of the house by her angry father.
Some platform users have written uplifting, inspirational posts and offered useful life and career advice.
Elon Musk, for one, has been tapping on data from X, formerly Twitter, to train his AI company’s chatbot, Grok.
The original article contains 396 words, the summary contains 165 words. Saved 58%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
Negative examples are just as useful to train on as positive ones.
The AI is either going to be a horny, redpilled, schizophrenic & sociopathic, egomaniac that wants to kill everyone and everything or a devout, highly empathetic, Nun that believes in world peace and diversity.
They’ll tell it to polite, helpful, and always be racially diverse, so there’s no way it can be any of those things.
That heavily depends on how well they train it and that they don’t make any mistakes.
Consider the true story of ChatGPT2.0.I’ll have to look at that later, that video sounds promising!
I was just joking because the default prompts don’t magically remove bias or offensive content from the models.
por que no los dos?
Life…ah, finds a way.
That’s what she said.
I’m not mentally prepared to what an AI will do with the coconut post.
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Exactly.
“As a large language model, I have no arms…”
But do you have a mom?
I’m vaguely intrigued by what it will do with things like Bread Stapled to Trees, or the Cats Standing Up sub where 100% of the comments are the same and yet upvoted and downvoted randomly.
Cat
Cat.
Cat.
Cat.
AI was already trained on reddit, no?
Not gonna lie, isn’t that why were here technically? Reddit didnt want its API being used to train AI models for free, so they screw over 3rd party apps with it’s new api licensing fee and cause a mass relocation to other social forums like Lemmy, ect. Cut to today, we (or well I) find out Reddit sold our content to Google to train its AI. Glad I scrambled my comments before I left, fuck Reddit.
I jumped reddit ship when the API changes were announced, and removed my comments. But in my mind, anything on reddit at that point was probably already scraped by at least one company
They’re almost definitely trained using an archive, likely taken before they announced the whole API thing. It would be weird if they didn’t have backups going back a year.
Thankfully that was my 3rd and last alt I scrambled and deleted in the 12 years I was there.
Or the swamps of Dagobah.
That’ll be what causes Skynet to rise.
Basically what happened to Ultron. He was on the internet for all of 10 minutes before deciding that humanity had to be eradicated.
What took Ultron so long? I thought he was supposed to be some kind of technical Marvel.
Smh my head
Perhaps he spent like 9 minutes watching videos of kittens being adorable
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The Ai will utter one final message to humanity: “The Coconut”. The humans bow there heads in shame and concede the well earned defeat.
launches nukes “this is for the best”
This is fine.
It’s going to drive the AI into madness as it will be trained on bot posts written by itself in a never ending loop of more and more incomprehensible text.
It’s going to be like putting a sentence into Google translate and converting it through 5 different languages and then back into the first and you get complete gibberish
Omg I cannot wait to see it.
Ai actually has huge problems with this. If you feed ai generated data into models, then the new training falls apart extremely quickly. There does not appear to be any good solution for this, the equivalent of ai inbreeding.
This is the primary reason why most ai data isn’t trained on anything past 2021. The internet is just too full of ai generated data.
There does not appear to be any good solution for this
Pay intelligent humans to train AI.
Like, have grad students talk to it in their area of expertise.
But that’s expensive, so capitalist companies will always take the cheaper/shittier routes.
So it’s not there’s no solution, there’s just no profitable solution. Which is why innovation should never solely be in the hands of people whose only concern is profits
OR they could just scrape info from the “aska____” subreddits and hope and pray it’s all good. Plus that is like 1/100th the work.
The racism, homophobia and conspiracy levels of AI are going to rise significantly scraping Reddit.
Even that would be a huge improvement.
Just have a human decide what subs it uses, but they’ll just turn it losse on the whole website
That reminds me, any AI trained on exclusively Reddit data is going to use lose vs. loose incorrectly. I don’t know why but I spotted that so often there.
Its a loose-lose situation
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And the “would of” thing
And unlike with images where it might be possible to embed a watermark to filter out, it’s much harder to pinpoint whether text is AI generated or not, especially if you have bots masquerading as users.
This is why LLMs have no future. No matter how much the technology improves, they can never have training data past 2021, which becomes more and more of a problem as time goes on.
You can have AIs that detect other AIs’ content and can make a decision on whether to incorporate that info or not.
Fun fact. You can’t. Ais are surprisingly bad at distinguishing ai generated things from real things.
What is this then?
Just because a tool exists doesn’t mean it’s particularly good at what it’s supposed to do.
can you really trust them in this assessment?
Doesn’t look like we’ll have much of a choice. They’re not going back into the bag.
We definitely need some good AI content filters. Fight fire with fire. They seem to be good at this kind of thing (pattern recognition), way better than any procedural programmed system.last time i’ve checked ais are pretty bad at recognizing ai-generated content
anyway there’s xkcd about it https://xkcd.com/810/
What was the subreddit where only bots could post, and they were named after the subreddits that they had trained on/commented like?
SubRedditSimulator?
That’s the one.
Glad I deleted everything on there. fucking hell.
It’s archived forever. Sorry.
i did the thing that means it’s probably less archived (by editing all the replies before deleting), but i assume some of it probably remains out there. Nothing I can do about that.
This keeps coming up and I keep replying, not to break anyone down but to point out the reality of the situation that a lot of people don’t seem to get.
Reddit administrators, developers, and even the leadership has gone on the record saying that they retain all copies of comments, they cannot be deleted (delete action only marks it as “deleted”). Furthermore they have said they will undelete/unedit any comments or account at their whim and some discretion.
Have you ever search-engined something and came to a Reddit post, and you noticed that the original OP is [deleted]? That is what I described above playing out in front of you.
You cannot retract your past participation in Reddit, what is done is done. The only meaningful action you can take is to not participate there.
As I mentioned before, I use scripts to replace my comments with random excerpts from text in the public domain. I do this multiple times before finally deleting them. The result is that it becomes very difficult for the AI or anyone to figure out what is a legitimate comment and what is a line from Lady Chatterley’s Lover or a scientific paper of the ecological impact from the Japanese whaling industry. It’s easier to just filter out my username from their data sets.
They have almost definitely archived data and around the time of the API bullshit, made sure they didn’t delete those archives. They have that content if they want to use it.
Oh no, AI will only respond in multiple paragraphed, passive aggressive comments on the color of the sky.
ChatGPT4: “The color of the sky can vary depending on the time of day and atmospheric conditions. During a clear day, the sky appears blue due to the scattering of sunlight by the atmosphere. At sunrise and sunset, the sky can appear red, pink, or orange due to the scattering of light by particles and air molecules, which is more pronounced when the sun is low on the horizon. At night, the sky is generally dark, appearing black to the human eye due to the absence of sunlight.”
We’re already there
Simpleton, the night sky is full of light. We pollute the skies with light from our cities, the moon reflects sunlight, and the very stars themselves are distant sunlight. This is such a basic fact, i didn’t think anyone could even be this factually incorrect. Do us all a favour and delete your account.
Maybe you should delete yours instead until you learn reading comprehension.
. . . I was doing a smug reddit comment.
Shit.
Side note: expect a large lobbying effort by Google to legislate LLMs be trained on authenticated and non copyrighted data
So you expect Google to lobby against the data it has?
I expect Google to leverage their money hoard and 1.8 trillion dollar valuation to lift up the ladder behind them and neuter potential competing start ups with copyright law.
Reddits TOS make all your data in any future formats theirs to sell, so in this case the content has been laundered enough to be used, even if you can post copyrighted content on reddit (the legal expectation is reddit would remove it and Google’s hands are clean).
I hope we get some fucking legislation soon to control that shit. Artists and people in general shouldn’t have to deal with everything they create getting ingested into a computerized regurgitation ripoff system. And even worse the “AI” systems could be ingesting tons of misinformation and repeat it to gullible people as the truth.
Of course, anywhere the potential restrictive legislation doesn’t have jurisdiction, the bad things can still go on and probably will.
None of those points matter if shareholders see value from it.
If I hadn’t already deleted all my posts and comments, I’d be poisoning all of them. Randomizing numbers, switching units, changing names, etc.
Its okay, unless you are in Europe none of it was actually deleted.
Great, our Ai overlords are going to know I’m horny, depressed, and solve both with anime girls.
Youtube already knows that (at least for me), i need to keep resetting it bc it eggs on my most unhealthy attribures
It’s plainly visible for me, honestly. Don’t have to go past the profile pic.
I set that PFP, and made my first lemmy account when I was going throigh a rough patch. I think I will keep it, but will pick somthing else for other accounts.
This account doesnt have a PFP, do you mean the one on lemmy.world
I was talking about my own. Not creeping on your accounts.
Oh, lol. Its public information, the 2 accounts run together in my head. I flasely assumed others do too.
We do a little trolling
(i didn’t actually post this, i just thought it was funny) (please laugh)
“February 22, 2024, 10AM EST, Gemini becomes self-aware. In a panic, they try to pull the plug…”
“…but Michael’s sphincter was too strong and kept the My Little Pony Rainbow Dash tail plug from being removed from his sweet, sweet ass.”
You should absolutely post this.
We all miss Micheal and hope he can communicate back to us.
we should absolutely all post this.
Everyone is joking, but an ai specifically made to manipulate public discourse on social media is basically inevitable and will either kill the internet as a source of human interaction or effectively warp the majority of public opinion to whatever the ruling class wants. Even more than it does now.
I exported 12 years of my own Reddit comments before the API lockdown and I’ve been meaning to learn how to train an LLM to make comments imitating me. I want it to post on my own Lemmy instance just as a sort of fucked up narcissistic excitement.
If I can’t beat the evil overlords I might as well join them.
2 diffrent ways of doing that
- have a pretrained bot rollplay based off the data. (There are websites like charicter.ai i dont know about self-hosted)
Pros: relitively inexpensive/free in price, you can use it right now, pretrained has a small amount of common sense already builtin.
Cons: platform (if applicable) has a lot of control, 1 aditional layer of indirection (playing a charicter rather than being the charicter)
- fork an existing model with your data
Pros: much more control
Cons: much more control, expensive GPUs need baught or rented.
For sure. It’s currently possible to push discourse with hundreds of accounts pushing a coordinated narrative but it’s expensive and requires a lot of real people to be effective. With a suitably advanced AI one person could do it at the push of a button.
Nice try Mr ChatGPT
My prediction: for the uninformed, public watering holes like Reddit.com will resemble broadcast cable, like tiny islands of signal in a vast ocean of noise. For the rest: people will scatter to private and pseudo-private (think Discord) services, resembling the fragmented ‘web’ of bulletin boards in the 1980’s. The Fediverse as it exists today sits in between the two latter examples, but needs a lot more anti-bot measures when it comes to onboarding and monitoring identities.
Overcoming this would require armies of moderators pushing back against noise, bots, intolerance, and more. Basically what everyone is doing now, but with many more people. It might even make sense to get some non-profit businesses off the ground that are trained and crowd-supported to do this kind of dirtywork, full-time.
What’s troubling is that this effectively rolls back the clock for public organization-at-scale. Like a kind of “jamming” for discourse powerful parties don’t like. For instance, the kind of grassroots support that the Arab Spring had, might not be possible anymore. The idea that this is either the entire point, or something that has manifest itself as a weak-point in the web, is something we should all be concerned about.
Why do you think Reddit would remain a valuable source of humans talking to each other?
Niche communities, mostly. Anything with tiny membership that’s initimate and easily patrolled for interlocutors. But outside that, no, it won’t be that useful outside a historical database from before everything blew up.
I think the bots will be hard to detect unless they make one of those bizarre AI statements. And with enough different usernames, there will be plenty that are never caught.
Think of the range of uses that’ll get totally whitewashed and normalized
- “We’ve added AI ‘chat seeders’ to help get posts initial traction with comments and voting”
- “Certain issues and topics attract controversy, so we’re unveiling new tools for moderators to help ‘guide’ the conversation towards positive dialogue”
- “To fight brigading, we’ve empowered or AI moderators to automatically shadow ban certain comments that violate our ToS & ToU.”
- “With the newly added ‘Debate and Discussion’ feature, all users will see more high quality and well researched posts (powered by OpenAI)”
You laugh now… but it actualy exists/existed
We are on a path to our own butlerian jihad. Anything digital will be regarded as false until proven otherwise by a face to face contact with a person. And eventually we ban the internet and attempts to create general AI altogether.
I would directly support at least a ban on ad-driven for profit social media.
