• IninewCrow@lemmy.caEnglish
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    14 days ago

    The religion they are alluding to is not Christianity … it’s the holy all powerful and all consuming religion of MONEY

      • 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de
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        14 days ago

        Nah, it was originally about making sure your population had good morals, then about controlling your population more generally, then about making money, then about banning fun for some reason, then about making money again

        It’s been quite the wild ride

        • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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          14 days ago

          A lot of old testament stuff had to do with hygiene. Look at all the kosher rules regarding food. Deut. 22:9 also forbids growing mixed crops, which likely had to do with the chance of crossbreeds being infertile and the inability for Bronze/Iron Age tribes being able to replace seed stock quickly enough.

          • SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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            14 days ago

            Or some priest or political leader took revenge against a pig farmer who slept with his daughter.

            And the mixed crops this was more likely to make sure farmers are not self sufficient.

            • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world
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              14 days ago

              No. The seed thing is explicitly so the farmers could grow the same crop from year to year. If you grow a cucumber in the same plot as squash, the seeds from both will be a hybrid and not give you anything useful. Cucurbits are meritoriously easy to hybridize and create useless offspring. The genetic mechanics wouldn’t have been know, but you would still see the results. People needed to live in groups then and now. No farmer would ever be able to be completely self sufficient regardless, especially then.

              I was thinking more along the lines of shellfish for a primarily desert people or the Rabbi being the defacto food inspector.

              • SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works
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                13 days ago

                I would think that farmers were experienced and smart enough to know which crops would hybridize and which don’t. They would not need the clergy to tell them that.

                We don’t see farmers today getting farming advice from the church. They get it from other farmers. I don’t see any reason for it to be different back then.

                I do see however that the church wanted to sound important and wise. So they wrote things down, but without having a full understanding, so a lot of the advice they wrote down is too simplistic.

        • Cypher@lemmy.world
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          14 days ago

          I don’t for a second believe that religion was required for people to have good morals. It was required for control.

  • Zloubida@lemmy.world
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    14 days ago

    There are many possible points of disagreement within Christianity because, like it or not, the Bible is unclear and even contradicts itself on many subjects (and this is a Christian saying this). But prosperity theology is so clearly the opposite of everything in the Bible that any self-respecting evangelical should ostracize it. That they don’t is the proof that the gospel is not what many evangelicals are interested in.

    • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
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      13 days ago

      To reinforce this, Jesus didn’t just say it was hard for a rich person to get into heaven, he said “And again I say unto you, it is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich [person] to enter into the kingdom of God.” --Matthew 19:23-26

      Personally, I think this is specifically referring to the level of greed that it requires to hoard enough wealth to become (and stay) a billionaire while the world suffers. It’s important to understand that this is our Bible, the foundation of everything Christianity is supposedto be about. These freaks have twisted it so much, it’s unrecognizable…

      • clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world
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        13 days ago

        No issues with you comment, but I find it disheartening that leadership in churches around the country do not condemn what is happening

        • Empricorn@feddit.nlEnglish
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          13 days ago

          That’s how far we’ve come. I know many here are vehemently opposed to any faith-based belief system, and that’s 100% your right. But churches and religious leadership promoting Trump and hate are shitting on everything God said in the one book he gave us. Modern Christians should read the Bible and find a church that follows it. If possible. Not the other way around…

          • MutilationWave@lemmy.world
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            12 days ago

            I try to tell Christians to just read the words of Jesus if they don’t have time to read their whole book. Some bibles have them helpfully marked with red ink.

      • Klear@lemmy.world
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        13 days ago

        It goes on though:

        When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

        But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

        So what I’m getting is “everyone goes to heaven, but don’t say that too loud or people will be dicks to each other”.

      • rami@ani.socialEnglish
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        13 days ago

        fun fact, the “eye of the needle” isn’t referring to a needle. they’re small gaps in the big stone walls just big enough for a person to squeeze through but intentionally designed so that a camel cannot get in. he’s not even saying it’s metaphorically impossible he’s saying it’s literally impossible, and by design.

    • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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      14 days ago

      You might enjoy reading some of the works of Bart Ehrman. I’m an atheist who has been reading a lot about Jesus and the early church (first three centuries). I would recommend, How Jesus Became God.

      Anyway, good for you for recognizing prosperity bs for what it is.

      • Snowclone@lemmy.world
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        14 days ago

        It’s literally a sin in many sects, not to say those sects aren’t entirely hypocritical on the matter, but trading priestly duties for money is explicitly a sin in a lot of Abrahamic religions.

        • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
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          14 days ago

          Gestures broadly at the pastors with their AMG Mercedes/M BMWs, mansions, private planes, helicopters, beach/mountain vacation houses, etc…"

      • ChromaticSnail@piefed.socialEnglish
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        14 days ago

        Ehrman is great, as are his books and his podcast (which is called “Misquoting Jesus”). He’s one of the most objective mainstream New Testament scholars (in the field of textual criticism), and he doesn’t try to advance any agenda. He states clearly whether his points are the consensus of non-evangelical scholars, or whether he’s in the minority (which is rarely); whether other scholars disagree with him (and why); what the evangelical scholars say, etc. He doesn’t encourage either atheism or religion; he’s simply a textual criticism scholar.

      • Zloubida@lemmy.world
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        13 days ago

        I like Ehrman. I think Jesus had, before the Resurrection, no clear idea of who/what he was and that what Ehrman shows is how the early church not invented but discovered the divinity of Jesus.

    • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
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      14 days ago

      What she cites the bible for

      Though she clarified that donations wouldn’t actually go to help those infected, White used medical imagery to add urgency to her fundraising plea during a pandemic. “Every single day we are a hospital to the sick, not necessarily the physically sick,” she said. “But we are a hospital for those who are soul sick, those who are spiritually sick.” White went on to suggest that contributors offer a $91 donation, citing Psalm 91, or “maybe $9 or whatever God tells you to do.”

      What I cite the bible for

      Matthew 21:12-13 Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer,’ but you are making it ‘a den of robbers.’

      • Zloubida@lemmy.world
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        13 days ago

        Calvin was totally opposed to this kind of theology. I presume you’re referencing to Weber; but if you read The Protestant Ethic closely, he didn’t speak about mainstream Calvinism of his time, but German puritanism, which was opposed by mainstream Calvinism.

  • some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org
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    14 days ago

    Her faith in Christ enabled her to get away with all that bs. I don’t see why this isn’t taken into account.

    I’m gonna convert to christianity and become a big-time crook. I can’t lose.

    • ms.lane@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      14 days ago

      Always- no.

      Since G.W. Bush? Yes.

      Obama and Biden kept it going, Biden actually restored it after Trump 45 left it to languish.

            • modeler@lemmy.world
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              14 days ago

              I’m interested! I thought both words derive from Latin prosequi/persequi and had essentially the same meaning as modern English. Which language do you speak?

              • bobs_monkey@lemm.ee
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                14 days ago

                They do, but in modern English it helps to break them down via the root words, here specifically the pro and per prefixes. Sequi is “follow,” while pro essentially means forward, with prosecute to be follow forward. Persecute takes the same sequi but per is now *through," as in follow through. Both of which have legal origin, but the differentiation is that prosecute is to “follow forward” in a court of law, almost as an ante, while persecute being “follow through” is more of a present verb signifying current action.

                Edit: this website is a great resource for breaking down words for meaning and origins.

  • leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl
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    14 days ago

    incurring more material wealth is the tenet of her faith.

    more wealth === more blessed

    for sure her greedy god and the jealous god are two different things.