This is the most punk rock thing I’ve seen folks do in a long time.
Have you seen more than the one video floating around? Cuz I’ve only seen the one, could use some more for the spank bank.
Gen Z seems to be refusing to swallow the bullshit the rest of us grew up having fed to us. A shame I’ll be close to aging out by the time they get much political power.
They’re literally following a TikTok Trend. They’re submerged deep into bullshit and eating it up.
And for many of them it will bite them in the ass.
Yeah the Gen-Xers who have been beaten into submission acknowledge that not having a job or any prospects kinda sucks.
I was more thinking about the laws against recording people, and particularly publishing those recordings. Along with the recordings being proof of other things, like maybe the person who took snacks on their way out could be accused of theft.
If you could ask for early retirement now then they would get power that much quicker
I’d have to not be a broke Gen-Xer for that to make much sense.
Oh i feel ya. I just get ideas when im stoned.
Adopt both UBI and lower retirement to 45 at the oldest.
The world will be an amazing place
Oh boy I can dream. 🙂
thats everyone at their age.
the difference is they can broadcast it into the world now.
Hmm that’s some of it, probably. I don’t think it’s all of it. And even if so, I think that phenomenon can build further momentum.
id go as far as doubting its at all of it, but AFAICT every recent generation had some good thinking about the problems and were keen on dissenting somehow when they were young.
even a lot of the boomers (who are seen as very conservative now) had their counterculture thing when they were young.
i think my biggest point with this is that the kids are generally alright and we can do good by laying off the juvenoia a bit.
Nah. When I was a kid, my peers were happy to bend over backwards to work harder for nothing extra.
Times have changed. That’s what happens as the disparity in wealth continues to grow. More people feel disenfranchised.
i was never that dumb to work for free, my friends werent either, sorry to hear your friends were.
You don’t need to wait for them to get political power, start organizing a union and get that toxic shit out of your workplace now
Much easier said than done.
Guillotines aren’t particularly difficult to assemble.
They are exceedingly difficult to get away with using, nowadays, unfortunately.
Well, not with that attitude.
I know, I’m an organizer for a 650 person unit. It takes time and energy, but it’s worth it.
I mean, I genuinely think that all we need is a *How to unionize for dummies" like a video or guide. I’m pretty clever, pretty Marxist and I still found myself overwhelmed when I wanted to start the process in my last job. Calling a local Local didn’t help much either.
I agree with the article. Gen Z are more open to sharing their life with the world. I wouldn’t say early generations just swallowed the bullshit. They just didn’t have a platform to express it to the masses. In the 70s or 80s if you got fired, maybe you reacted the same way, demanding a reason and expressing your frustration. But the only people who witnessed that, were the ones in the room and later on your buddies when you told them the story.
Started with Gen X, which is why the baby boomers retiring is creating such a desperate demographic crisis. Nobody wants to buy into such an obviously corrupt system, which has rewarded every consecutive generation with less and less compensation despite the abundantly obvious massive advances in productivity. People are realizing that most of their work is not at all about generating value, but instead is all about occupying their time and energy in an apparently attempt to reduce competition.
Society will probably collapse by 2040.
2030 is my guess because roughly half of the kids from the 60s will be mid 60s then and retire or be unable to keep on hustling because of age while all support systems will get into absolute overload.
It’s seven years until 2030.
5 years 10 months 20 days
You might want to recheck your math on that one
It’s seven years until 2030.
“Gen Z kids refuse to learn math!” Tune in to hear more at 11.
Joke is: I’m one of these boomers, born in the 1960s 😄
Classic example of rage math - I’m always furious about the shit and the terror my generation didn’t prevent. We knew and know everything and chose and choose to carry on.
Assholes all around. I’m dead serious about this.
i think you underestimate how bad it can get before they can’t stop a collapse anymore.
we already have a big homeless population and old people already in dire situations. i think that was the spark that got them so politicized in the first place.
and the biggest factors will probably be more related to climate change which will take a bit more time to reeeeally fuck with us.
Well either see a brutal market recession as the boomers die off and/or sell off their retirement portfolio to buy more sand for their hourglass, while everyone else is too broke to buy it at the “market value” their financial planner promised them in 1992
Or capitalists will sweep in and buy it for cheap, exacerbating the housing crisis and continuing to make life unaffordable
Either way we’re in trouble
The Bullshit from decades ago was easier to swallow because at least people had a chance to make money and have a decent job while also paying a bit less for things like food, shelter or some luxuries.
Now people have no choice … they get paid less, they have no security and they have to pay more for food and shelter.
People were always aware of the bullshit … in the past we could put up with it because we could afford it … now people can’t.
Cost benefit analysis. I’m Gen-X and we had to deal with both Silent Gen “company loyalty” and Boomer toxic bullshit, but that was fine because we got a lot out of it and we were able tondo our own shit. In other words, a positive cost benefit analysis. Greed tilted that until it is now not worth it. Its funny how some people love capitalism until the system demands that they adjust. Sorry corpos, if you want a resource, you have to pay fair market value.
I quit Lowe’s a few months ago and they mistakenly gave me an exit interview. Not only did I put my grievances in writing, but I was adamant that the “HR” person typed what I was saying verbatim.
There’s no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.
There’s no point in those interviews unless you say what needs to be said.
" Yeah great, well I generally come in at least 15 minutes late. I, uh, use the side door, that way Lumberg can’t see me and, uh, after that I just sort a space out for about an hour. Yeah I just stare at my desk, but it looks like I’m working. I do that for, uh, probably another hour after lunch too. I’d say in a given week I probably only do about 15 minutes of real, actual, work. Oh yeah, let me tell you something about TPS reports. See the thing is Bob, it’s not that I’m lazy, it’s that I just don’t care. It’s a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don’t see another dime. So where’s the motivation? And here’s something else, Bob, I have eight different bosses right now. Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That’s my only real motivation, is not to be hassled. That and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that’ll only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired. Listen, I’m going to go. Uh, it’s been really nice talking to both of you guys. Good luck with your layoffs, all right? I hope your firings go really well."
But what do you think that accomplished?
Even if the HR person did type it verbatim and show it to you, they’re just going to turf it the second you leave and spin a tale that makes their boss happy.
There’s zero chance that the upper management who needed to hear what you said actually heard it.
Meh, they get taken seriously at least where I work. Especially if they were a high performer or if there is a significant trend in departures.
That said, some leadership will hear parts that don’t make them feel so bad and gasp onto those.
I love exit interviews.
P.s. Chris, you were the worst manager I’ve ever had. You’re a terrible human. That’s why the entire department left and got hired at another company… the one I went to. The entire department, Chris. I made that happen.
I’m of the opposite opinion. Exit interviews are just a way a company can further pretend to give a shit what you think, while not actually giving a shit. Do you really think what you say will make a difference?? If they didn’t listen to you while you were working, why would they listen to you if you’ve quit? It’s all smoke and mirrors designed to make you feel good while giving the company marketing material to say, ‘we listen’ when they don’t. HR is on team company. They are not your friend. The odds of them actually doing anything different based on an exit interview is zero. If anything, they’ll use what you say against you to frame it as ‘clearly he/she is not a happy person’ so they just dismiss what you say. Just like they did when you were working for them.
I deny them that chance so I don’t do them.
Fuck them. Leave and say nothing and just be happier at your new job. They had their chance and blew it. You don’t owe them anything and you’re better off channeling that energy into something more in line with what makes you happy.
That’s just my take though.
Well, Chris got fired… so, yeah I guess losing an entire department in a weeks time, each person citing Chris as the reason, might cause some actions.
They don’t care whether you think they give a shit or not. The contract has already ended, they have no “legal” motivation to give you the light of day.
The reason exit interviews exist is that some people within the company do care about employee feedback / retention rate, because from a strictly practical point of view, hiring/training costs many thousands of dollars for any vaguely skilled position so knowing if there is an avoidable problem is valuable.
The flip-side is that in most cases, circumstances are out of control of whoever is in charge of exit interviews. If an employee quits for personal reasons, can’t do anything about it. If the owner is a cunt, can’t do anything about that either. However, if five employees quit because “Chris is the worst manager in the world”, then maybe Chris will eventually find himself “promoted” to a non-management position.From an employee perspective playing nice and being professional can be worthwhile, depending on the size of the industry, whether you’re willing to burn bridges, and the importance of networking for your job position. The company you were working for may suck but your previous manager might get a new job and offer to hire you there.
My favourite generation so far
I’ve been hearing about how older generations always hate younger generations all my life. How I must be destined to grow in to some crochety old man by 40.
I gotta say these kids seem like they’re headed in a pretty good direction, they’re funny, they’re not taking shit, frankly it seems like it’s going pretty well.
Yeah dude. I’m Xilenial, was told how I would grow up and be just like them. No, really, becoming old is a choice. My younger brothers are full on MAGA and hate-filled. They look and act older than I do by a long shot. I work with teams of Gen Z students and stay young by being around them.
You can age without becoming old. Some people chose to be old, and those types tend to hate younger folks and also hated the older people when they were younger themselves.
Right?! I was way more conservative in my teens and have gone way further to the left and less conservative as I’ve aged.
“When you buy a house you’ll understand” … yeah, nope, maybe it’s the fact that it took 3 of us to buy the house instead of ONE salary being able to, but, nope - still not a crazy jackass who has no empathy just to keep my property taxes low.
ETA: Gen Z is great. I love the no fucks given attitude in the workplace and they’re a fucking inspiration.
I think you’re right. Boomers were much more liberal than their parents but became neoconservatives once they got into housing ownership and the stock market. They then projected their own wants and desires on the next generations and assumed that everyone would follow them.
I was also very conservative as a teen, but that was only because my family lived in a shithole suburb and complained nonstop about California and liberals. As soon as I get away from them, my tune changed pretty much instantly.
There’s also such a thing as conditioning that we must recognize. Alt-right groups are actively targeting people for conversion and radicalization into the MAGA mindset.
Innuendo Studios has done a number of videos on this that are well worth watching. Like this one:
YES… and this is why I want to.punch every clown who says “fascism will die off with the Boomers”. It never has, and never will
They are also not fundamentally brain damaged by years of the inhalation of lead and then being irradiated by one of the worse nuclear disasters of all time.
Actually only Gen Z will be free of the epigenetic effects. It actually takes 2 gens of not being exposed for a generation not to be affected.
Actually only Gen Z will be free of the epigenetic effects.
Literally the exact generation we’re talking about.
I guess we can say Stoly is not a gen Z then
I knew about the lead for Gen X. Are you talking about both Millennials and Gen Z not having been poisoned in their developmental years or are you referring to Boomers (and older), some of whom were irradiated and/or got hit by smog, etc. It sounds like you’re saying something also happened to Millennials otherwise, and I never heard about this.
No, just gen Z. Even a large number of the Millennial population were fairly exposed. Millennial generation starts in 1981, leaded gas didn’t become illegal to sell until 1992. And Chernobyl happened in 1986.
Oh that’s right, Chernobyl! There were staggered end dates to the sale of leaded gas though, so the years will vary more or less by continent. Nevertheless, your point remains valid even if the lead pollution was at its peak in the 1970s.
“I have, like, really given my whole energy and life over the last four months to this job, and to be let go for no reason is like a huge slap in the face from a company that I really wanted to believe in,”
First mistake was giving your whole life. Second mistake was believing in a company.
I worked at Disney for 5 years, they gave me a yearly incentive to stay with them, bonuses, and my 5 years of service pin… and then laid me off a month later.
Millennial / Gen X cusp here. I feel like this really started with my generation. Many people no longer look for a job, they look for a job that allows them to make the world a slightly better place. Many of us have had that drilled into our heads from childhood.
Companies know this, so that’s what they sell when they’re hiring. And when you combine that with the cognitive bias for people wanting to do good through their work, this is the result.
Bingo. I mean I accepted pretty early on that A. I wouldn’t enjoy working and B. Someone else is going to make a lot of money off what I do.
As long as I work for an employer that does something or makes something that can be a net positive, I feel like I’ve found something good.
-is the lie I keep telling myself
This is effectively the only tool we will ever have against them, and we should use it before too much of the labor force is converted and automated, and the remaining employed shut up out of fear.
A company like Microsoft worth 3 trillion dollars (with a T), who spends billions to acquire another business in a strategic move, should not be allowed to dump the burden on the thousands of people they let go afterwards, just so the books look good.
They pull billions out of the company in profit, and then claim the company is broke and needs to distribute some losses socially. It’s completely insane that we just allow this to happen in mass. I’m lucky I can choose my companies and I don’t touch the big big corporations so it doesn’t affect me, but we need to do something collectively fast.
I worked for them in a division that was very customer facing. We got told over and over things we needed to improve the experience weren’t in the budget. I always vaguely waved my hands in the air with a “look at the piles of money” face.
Bet that person is never loyal again. Live and learn.
I think most people make this mistake when first entering the workforce though, right? I know I did. Now, I get called pessimistic and cynical. But, I’ve got three decades of experience at various levels of company. With all that experience, I’d prefer to call myself a realist.
Recruiters aren’t blind to it either, at least for more senior roles. They stopped talking about the “family” that they are, and how much more “fun” it is to work there. They also stopped asking me why I chose this company, and instead ask me why I chose this role, because they know I don’t give a shit about the company. They cut straight to “here is the pay and benefits, we give extra for this that and that”. It should be like that for all levels, from junior to director.
Yes, it should be. But businesses aren’t people, they don’t have a conscience, they don’t care about their employees. They will use any tool they can to underpay someone, and work that same person harder than the rest of the team paid more. Because, they can.
If there was hope, it must lie in the proles, because only there in those swarming disregarded masses, 85 per cent of the population of Oceania, could the force to destroy the Party ever be generated. The Party could not be overthrown from within. Its enemies, if it had any enemies, had no way of coming together or even of identifying one another. Even if the legendary Brotherhood existed, as just possibly it might, it was inconceivable that its members could ever assemble in larger numbers than twos and threes. Rebellion meant a look in the eyes, an inflexion of the voice, at the most, an occasional whispered word. But the proles, if only they could somehow become conscious of their own strength. would have no need to conspire. They needed only to rise up and shake themselves like a horse shaking off flies. If they chose they could blow the Party to pieces tomorrow morning. Surely sooner or later it must occur to them to do it? And yet-!
Word of advice, don’t give yourselves to corporations that pretend to be human. Don’t give yourselves to ANY corporation in fact. They’re trash, the idea is trash, they don’t care because they’re not paid to.
I have been working since I was 9 years old. I have never cared about a company and have always been a fuck you kind of guy to companies since I was a product of child labor.
Don’t waste your time. Just do good enough and save your money so you can find something better to do.
Fuck corporations, especially the weirdos who run them.
Working since you were 9? My god, that sounds like it fucking sucked
Yea, family businesses don’t have labor laws as good as regular people and businesses.
Brittany is a narcissist who got fired because she makes everything about Brittany… she didn’t even allow the HR guy to finish a sentence before she had to actually interrupt him and start explaining why they were wrong… you got fired because you don’t listen, Brittany baby…
They fired her, listening to these folks ain’t her job anymore.
Why would I care about the HR guy’s canned message to me when I’m being terminated?
The meeting was specifically about her. That’s not narcissistic.
She knew she was being laid off, so there’s no need to hear the HR person out to completion. Say your part, and be on your way.
Here’s your breakfast
uh huh, bunch of rebel memers
Whoa whoa whoa you cant just let boss say that to you. Not with dirty shoes! Get those shoes cleaned up first before you talk again and make sure to say thank you
Boot licker
you’re a narcissist worshipper, like a lot of people nowadays… you answer the call to the Cult of Personality…
This is the first “TikTok trend” I’ve seen that doesn’t make me cringe
Just wait for the inevitable fakes to show up.
- The recent rise of sea shanties
- Detailed instructions for operating abandoned Russian military vehicles
- This
- Girl Math
Funny as hell. The manosphere bros who took it seriously made it even funnier
Every TikTok trend should make you cringe. They’re all aiding a hostile dictatorship.
honestly you could’ve left a single comment in opposition against tiktok and left it there but had the audacity to voice against it multiple times.
sure tiktok is pure evil spyware, you aren’t wrong, but mate just calm down and speak your concerns in a single comment and call it a day.
more karma too lmao
Fuck Karma, I came here to express myself.
with how passionate you are with this opinion i thought you were trolling and farming for internet points
Love to see class consciousness rising above artificial generational conflict
As an older GenX I thank the Millenials for that. Generation Z seems to love their consumerism a little too much but at least they seem to know who’s screwing them and its not the poor folk.
Valuable information to have for yourself and others
I hate corpo rats. If GenZ is able to fight the man and not get chewed up and spit out by the system, more power to them.
I’m surprised some are defending the CloudFlare HR rep. How is it “confrontational” to ask questions? At that point, all I would care about is unemployment and setting the record straight.
These recordings could save your ass.
I guess but companies will probably just counter by laying people off by text.
Then you share the text messages. Even easier
So it costs even less bandwidth to share?
Wow, they’re almost showing signs of intelligence. So close.
Gen Z is also more compassionate than we were at that age, they know about things like consent and when someone is uncomfortable but not verbally expressing it. They also stabilize in the job market as they age up.
Means fuck all when they give China blank checks en masse. If I could chose a compassionate dead person or a logical alive one, I would rather Gen Z learned to protect themselves better.
Fuck off with that noise. The whole damn world is giving China money you fool. Who do you think makes everything we consume.
TikTok is no worse than FB just different governments and from what I’ve seen the USA has done more to harm the world than China. And I’m a Brit that has a government that has committed horrors of epic proportions.
Chinese Exports have very recently plunged as a result of embargoes and tariffs due solely to how the rest of the world views them as a threat. FB Meta is paying a 5 Bn USD FCC Fine for how they handle data, more fines in other nations as well, and is currently in lawsuits in several countries as well. TikTok is worse because when they cause serious irreparable harm they don’t get sued or fined in their homeland: they get rewarded for a job well done.
lol as if Gen Z earns enough money to give blank cheques to anyone
If it takes them pennies to use an automated fraud system on millions of people then it doesn’t matter how little they can take, but taking a small amount from those who have little is more damaging than a large amount from people with wealth to spare. Median wealth in the USA for under 35 is $39,000 and average is $183,500 .
Imagine the majority of an entire generation with frozen credit scores unable to obtain vehicles, homes, business loans, and with identities so thoroughly compromised that the thieves have a better chance of verifying themselves than the real person. Tens of Millions of people. The USA would become financially crippled when extreme poverty is already a concern according to UN Special Investigations. It could ruin us for decades.
Even if YOU have nothing to lose, why would unashamedly wish that harm on so many others? For vines, but worse.
Better be including all ages then because everyone is on that thing.
Everyone who uses it is a threat to themselves and our society as a whole, that is how big a threat I think it is and I wholeheartedly believe China is willing to make full use of the authority they’ve been given. But it’s mostly the kids.
And I assume this is self reported data, so it’s probably even more children than just that.
This shows an almost perfectly even distribution across all age groups …
It shows exactly what I said it shows, but also why does it even matter in the context of this discussion?
Because you’re blaming the kids but 75% of the users aren’t kids
Your stats show it’s not just kids…
Unless you consider anyone under 50 to be kids.
My stats show the largest age group is kids, and the lower the age the higher the user percentage.
So kids: 25% ok Non kifs: 75% 🤔
Social media-induced work reform incoming?
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here. They will just change the laws to make it illegal and sue you/us.
Get in line, you can’t get blood from a stone.
It’s already kind of a thing with arbitration clauses being baked into almost every employment contract.
“Growing tik toc trend” only gives one example that we’ve all already watched. Either it’s a lie about it being a trend or piss poor reporting.
This is how right-wing idiots got trolled into believing that schools were getting litter boxes for furries.
I want to believe that your joking…but sadly I think I know better by now…
Yeah that was a whole thing like a couple years back. The sad reality iirc is that the litter was for something to do with school shootings, perhaps to help clean up the blood…
It’s for the event of a shooting and the class being stuck for hours in the classroom. Since you can’t use the toilets for obvious reasons then, students, that need to take a piss, can do it in the litterboxes.
Ah yep that’s what it was
My highschool used litter to clean up vomit.
Clearly your school was not metal enough. It’s not really a Monday unless someone’s bleeding.
Wasn’t the litter box thing just a suggestion from a lawmaker that refuses to do anything about school shootings?
I’m glad it’s happening, but… fuck, why does it have to?
Greed and they don’t give a fuck about you. And it’s going to keep happening, again and again, until we change it.
