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I’ve had TPM disabled in the BIOS since I got this machine (which is getting pretty long in the tooth, granted). Can’t upgrade, doesn’t bug me about it.
Next computer will be the latest OS at the time, but I get to decide when that is.
It can still pop up the blue upgrade dot, but will fail if you try to “check compatibility”. I assume the full screen bs is further down the line
I finally swapped to Linux and it’s been easier than I expected. Don’t know if I’ll ever go back to only windows.
What distro did you go with? Been thinking of switching myself
Not OP, but there’s many beginner friendly distros. I’d look into Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Zorin, or Elementary
Same I was really surprised how easy it was. Thank you Lutris
There’s a reason everyone says “Just use Limux”
Everyone says to just keep it at Windows 10 or that Windows 11 is not that bad as that’s the majority of people. It’s a small group that says to just use Linux, and if you think it’s everyone it suggests you are in an echo chamber/don’t participate widely enough in various communities.
Well if you use a shit product you have constantly to fix because something is bothering you, you might as well change to something else.
Your fault.
Yes I agree. This is why I use Windows over Linux because Linux requires too much tinkering…
Thanks?
What smells like copium in here?
As a Windows 10 user who tried Win 11, it’s super gross. I’m hoping to get my shit together enough to convert to linux this year before Microsoft forces my hand.
If Microsoft forces my hand it’ll probably mean a month without gaming and I’ll be a sad, sad boy.
Linux gaming is a thing. Lutris and steam are working quite well. In some games I have better performance than windows. That being said not everything is working, some games are not working at all and other games have quite some settings and fiddling until they work. Check protondb where you can see users comments and game compatibility ranking for the games you play. Sometimes I want to go back to windows, but for the last 5 months I’ve booted windows once or twice. There is a learning curve and getting used to Linux, but in my opinion it is worth it. If you want to transition from windows don’t go with gnome. Start with kde or xfce, or cinnamon.
If you find a community like that then they are too tech illiterate to be taking advice from
If you have to be on Windows then you have to upgrade
If you can’t upgrade/want a better experience then it’s Linux
There should be no “stay on Windows 10” group because it will be EOL in a year
Eh I’m glad that’s for you and you’re happy, and I know Lemmy might as well be the Linux fan club, but for me personally?
I’ve tried to switch to Linux on 2 occasions in the past (mid to late 00s and again in the mid 20-teens) and both times I found the conversion process tedious, the experience within the system to be one that felt like I was constantly fighting the system to accomplish my goals, and ultimately after giving it a few months each time, was absolutely relieved and delighted to finally give it up and go back to Windows each time. I tried at least 4 different flavors as well, so I don’t think it was so much that I just happened to not like one specific software, but rather that my primary annoyance was that I just wanted Windows and none of the Linux substitutes were it.
I’m sure a lot of that is simply being used to Windows after using it since the early to mid 90s, and I’m not saying Windows is perfect by any means…but for me at least, even a slightly annoying Windows experience will remain preferable to me over a third attempt to switch to Linux for the foreseeable future.
I’ve tried to switch to Linux on 2 occasions in the past (mid to late 00s and again in the mid 20-teens)
I’m not saying Windows is perfect by any means…but for me at least, even a slightly annoying Windows experience will remain preferable to me over a third attempt to switch to Linux for the foreseeable future.
To be fair, Linux gaming in the 2015s is not anywhere near as good as it is today in 2024.
I’d honestly say it’s worth another try, the third time may be the charm for you.
I just wanted Windows and none of the Linux substitutes were it.
Of course not. At the very least you have to be fed up with Windows before moving elsewhere. If you want Windows, stay with Windows.
You shouldn’t continue using Windows 10 after end of life though. Once it doesn’t get security patches anymore, it is a time bomb. And since the code base is easily 80-90% the same across versions, new vulnerabilities patched on newer versions are just hints for malware devs making the obsolete version even more likely to be attacked.
Every time I’ve tried to upgrade Windows major versions in place, it’s been a terrible experience. And not on potatoes, either!
From XP to Vista, everything broke. This was long enough ago that I don’t remember exactly how it broke, just that it made my computer unusable and I had to reinstall from CD. I mean, that makes sense though, right? Vista was terrible. From Vista to 7 (on a different machine), I just did a fresh install.
I skipped 8. After that, my Windows 7 machine (a third machine now) kept begging me to upgrade to 10, so I tried it. But even though Microsoft’s own tool told me everything would work just fine, the install was absolutely trash. I was stuck at 1024x768 (on a 16:9 monitor). Performance even with no programs running was so bad—on a machine that could easily run Adobe Premiere and Photoshop simultaneously under Win7—that it took ±30 seconds to open Task Manager. Exactly zero drivers for any USB peripherals worked; I had to dig out my PS/2 keyboard to revert the install.
At this point I must just be out of my mind, because last fall I let Windows 11 install on my Windows 10 computer (a fourth machine). The installation took several hours somehow, and when it was done wifi didn’t work. There were a few other annoyances, like stealing back defaults and reverting my Firefox default on every reboot. Being in no mood to deal with the nonsense, I switched back to Windows 10. And guess what? Wifi was still broken. Windows 11 broke network connectivity on Windows 10.
These were all good computers, and I don’t do anything particularly odd or unusual with them.
I’m never doing an in-place Windows upgrade again. No way, no how. Not gonna happen.
Ultimately it will all be anecdotal.
I’ve done plenty of upgrades without issues.
And I’ve tried Linux and found it abysmal with way too much of the sorts of issues you’ve mentioned.
So for me Linux is obviously a no go, but I could see why it would appeal perhaps to someone like yourself. Ultimately we are directed by our experiences.
Ultimately it will all be anecdotal.
Oh, for sure. But in any case, their QA isn’t as robust as it seems. With only one such experience, it would be bad luck. Maybe even with two. But with multiple, across experiences with few common factors, it seems more like ineptitude; and what else have they missed?
And I’ve tried Linux and found it abysmal with way too much of the sorts of issues you’ve mentioned.
Right, but I think what I’m trying to communicate is, if I’m going to run the risk that I’ll have to deal with this nonsense either way, why not at least use an OS which has goals aligned with my own?
I jumped onboard last weekend. Built my new computer from parts because I couldn’t find a system I liked that didn’t come with a Windows license, and I refuse to pay for a shitty OS I won’t use.
I installed Mint have been happily gaming for just over a week now. I even upgraded my kernel when I came home for lunch one day. That’s not something you can say about Windows!
Linux gang, but I use Windows at work and do a full update (“Please wait… We’re working on things…”) weekly over lunch due to being trapped in the Windows insider program. It takes about half an hour. Longer than compiling a kernel though.
The pain of this. I have two separate Windows work laptops (one for my employer, one for the firm we work with; data separation fun). The number of times I’ve booted up the second laptop ready to dive into a meeting or to quickly grab a reference only to be confronted with 15 minutes of that.
Between pestering me to check for updates, pestering me to restart to complete updates, hanging on shutdown to carry out updates, and hanging on startup to finish updates, I feel like I spend an unfeasible amount of time and brainspace thinking about system updates. Why? I’ve got actual work to do too!
that’s awesome, i’d recommend trying out EndeavorOs for your next distro
I’d recommend staying with your current distro if you’re happy with it!
There is a reason these people get blocked
It’s really so much better. I’m going on a year now since I ditched windows and I have to say it’s been great and there’s nothing I miss about windows.
Windows 11? Ads. New outlook program? Ads. Old outlook iOS app? Now injecting ads there too.
Ads are a cancer on the internet.
Nadella has ruined Microsoft.
As a software developer: MS has been 100X better to work with under Nadella. He may not know what to do with the operating system side of things, but the .NET/Azure/android/linux etc side has never been healthier.
Are you implying it was good before that?
He did make it worse, but I don’t know about “ruined”
Are you kidding? He’s made some…questionable decisions over the last couple of years, but look at where Microsoft is at today compared to when Ballmer left. It’s a much more successful, more exciting, and more open company than it was. Could you imagine Ballmer’s Microsoft releasing WSL? Or greenlighting a major faithful remaster and re-release of all 4 of the big Age of Empires games, as well as developing an entire new one? Or buying and actually being a surprisingly good steward of GitHub?
He’s far from perfect, and all the enshittification of the last 2 or 4 years should be roundly criticised. But overall, Nadella has been a net positive for the company both financially and in terms of the company’s societal impact.
The same can not be said for Google’s Pichai…
Yes, let’s look at it. Great for the shareholder, not for the customer.
- phone, dead
- AR/VR product dead
- non-Xbox peripherals, dead
- App Store, a joke
- other stores like books, music, and retail, closed or sold off
- windows is now a crap ad-infested product that only runs on new hardware
Somehow other companies in these spaces have not had problems making this stuff work. It’s obvious all Nadella is interested in is cloud based products with subscriptions. And while that might be insanely profitable, it’s driving the consumer space to Google, Apple, and Linux. All the creativity and inventiveness has been removed from Microsoft. Xbox somehow survives in spite of his leadership.
I have an issue with calling Edge “a bloated privacy invading Chrome clone”. It’s a “a bloated privacy invading Chrome repackage”, thank you.
phone, dead
A product which, as interesting as it was, had sadly failed pretty resoundingly in the market under Ballmer’s leadership.
AR/VR product dead
As far as I’m aware, Hololens still exists? True it’s a product not getting as much attention as might have the potential to, but the same can be said for the entire VR market. Outside of a couple of very narrow fields, nobody has managed to get VR to really catch on the way the hype suggested it might back when Google Glass was a thing or when Hololens was first announced. (Who knows, maybe Apple will manage it with their product like how they made smartphones and tablets mainstream.)
non-Xbox peripherals
Honestly that seems like a real stretch. What exactly was their raison d’être? There are so many options for peripherals from companies that are better at it.
App Store, a joke
A joke when it was released under Ballmer. Still a joke today. That’s not a mark in Nadella’s favour, for sure, but nor can it really be counted against him.
Edge now a bloated privacy invading Chrome clone
Edge only existed under Nadella. Under Ballmer Microsoft still had Internet Explorer.
Great for the shareholder, not for the customer
Depends on what customer you’re talking about. As a software engineer, his tenure has been incredible. WSL is probably the single greatest thing to happen to Windows since '95. .NET Core and later simple .NET is such a huge improvement over the ancient .NET Framework for developing modern applications.
As an RTS gamer, I suspect he probably didn’t have a lot of involvement here, but it was still under his leadership of Microsoft that we’ve seen the greatest era in Microsoft’s first-party gaming since the 1997–2007 period when the original trilogy + AoM were being released by Ensemble Studios.
The creativity and inventiveness at Microsoft died under Ballmer. Nearly any Microsoft watcher will tell you he’s turned it around for the better not just in terms of business, but in terms of how it impacts the customer, as well.
Personally I’ve been relatively disappointed with Microsoft over the last 2-ish years, but compared to the last half-decade or so of Ballmer, the first 8 years of Nadella’s tenure were impeccable.
Microsoft is still alive. That is bad. And nadella made it bigger. Even worse.
No company that size and power should exist at all.
Whether Nadella is running Microsoft well is a separate argument from whether trillion dollar corporations should be allowed to exist.
Thought the original comment was that nadella ruined microsoft by letting it live. And comment i replied to missed that point.
Maybe wrong then.
WSL? Trying to keep developers on the platform. Ages of Empire? Bought up studios to get a grasp on the market. Github? Again developers on their platform.
Nadella has been a net positive for the company
Exactly. That doesn’t mean positive for the customer. He only made the cancer bigger.
MS is still alive ONLY because of the licensing model they use which makes all corporations globally dependent. Period. The bundles, the product dependency, the price. If it’s not for this it would have banished years ago.
I would’ve preferred if he stayed away from GitHub, tbh
Honestly so would I, but looking back on it now, I can’t say that Microsoft has been bad for it. If Microsoft hadn’t bought it, maybe someone else would have, who would have been far worse. Google might have bought it and shut it down 6 months later. Or Facebook data-mined it and sold all your private repos off to Russia. Or we could have been in a world where Microsoft did what many (myself included) expected would happen, with them ruining it themselves.
Yes, GitHub staying independent would have been the best-case scenario. But what we got was probably second-best.
Trust bust tech
So. If my PC cannot be upgraded because of your bullshit requirements, can you leave me alone please.
Also in win 11… if I have an office subscription activated in the OS can you please not throw ads for office 365 then.
It’s nonsense.
i just set up a new one the ‘right’ (according to microsoft) way; allowing it on the network and to link to msa right off the bat, during oobe. sure you ‘installed’ the office (had 365 on that msa)–it was already there, you just ‘activated’ it. you also messed-up the document libraries, relocating three to onedrive, even though no pc on the msa has ever even had onedrive turned on in the first place. you also linked the edge browser to msa, even though the user has never, ever used edge for anything (user has been using firefox, exclusively, forever).
there were full screen ads more cloud space and for xbox whatever-the-fuck-that-was during ‘first boot’.
I think with the latter it might be them pushing a personal account, assuming you’re logged in with a work account. It often does this to me on my work computer. Or, it’s just being typically annoying - that would make sense too.
No I have it on a personal account on that pc… it’s part of the family network.
Ok, so it’s just being extra annoying then. Doesn’t surprise me.
Thanks for thinking with me. Keep on being excellent!
I’m a Mac user. I like using Macs, and I like using macOS. Apple are just as bad as MS for this shit.
I have an old MacBook Pro, as well as a pair of older minis. All three were left behind by macOS a few years ago, but if they weren’t all running Sonoma through OpenCore, they’d have an update in the App Store to upgrade to a new OS that Apple won’t let them run.
That’s it Microsoft…keep pushing more people to use Linux. 🐧
Look, no hate, but I always find these kinds of comments funny because I’ve been reading them for over twenty years.
It’s not going to happen, certainly not in any significant numbers.
Hell, look at the fediverse. The vast majority of internet users find signing up to mastodon hard, let alone lemmy. How the hell are these people supposed to install linux, for example when they follow many an ‘easy’ linux installation guide, but then find Rufus isn’t able to create a bootable USB stick in fat32? How are they supposed to verify their data, or hell change the bios settings when the guide they read gives them the wrong key to press to enter the bios? And then if by some miracle they do manage to install linux, you expect them to move away from all the apps they’ve grown used to? They’ve never even heard of LibreOffice and probably think it’s the same thing as MS Office.
TLDR: Gretchen! Stop trying to make mass linux adoption happen! It’s not going to happen!
It’s not going to happen
It’s…been happening. Notice how gaming on Linux is an actual thing and large companies like Valve now put out things like the SteamDeck that use Linux, not Windows.
windows costs money, per device. microsoft places limits, pretty strict ones, on how far oems can go wrt customizations of the oobe, the ui/ux, and other shit. valve didn’t chose linux because of anything other than it was the only reasonable choice for what they wanted to produce.
Just the fact Linux is a viable, and preferred, choice for a gaming handheld speaks volumes to how far Windows has slipped. This was an arena that nobody else competed in 10 years ago, the only choice was Windows. Now if you want a gaming handheld that won’t chew through the battery via piles of ads and background processes, Linux is the choice.
I don’t think entry level users are what will be converted, at least first. It’s users like you and me. Users that, for whatever reason, haven’t preferred Linux historically. I’ve tried the new popular distro every few years to ‘check in’ with Linux, and each time I ended up running into some issue which reaffirmed my preference for Windows sooner or later.
Until I tried Debian 12 a couple of months ago, that is. Between nonfree drivers, Wayland and its compatibility throughout the ecosystem, and updates to GNOME, it’s honestly been refreshingly user-friendly and feels more optimised than Windows.
Importantly, in searching for alternatives to Windows-only software I use, I didn’t have any problems and in one case actually ended up finding new software I prefer.
The peace of mind of my OS not trying to sell me something or trying to farm my engagement is nice too, but not why I’d recommend giving it a try. I’ve always gotten behind it in principle support of free software, but now I can get behind it actually using it. I’d recommend it because it genuinely seems better in my general use.
TL;DR:
“Stop advocating for things you care about, it’ll never happen. Fuck your passions and your want to share them with people.”
That’s how you sound.
Linux has something like 15% market share in India and growing
So, do you stop rooting for your favourite sports team because they can’t be world champion? Do you not support a small artist you like because he won’t ever be as big as van Gogh?
Like, will desktop Linux overtake Windows anytime soon in market share? No. Do I use Linux on all my machines? Yes. Does that mean I’m not allowed to like it / hope for more adoption or hell, help people who would like to get away from Windows?
I get your point and I mostly agree. But why exactly should that be an argument for people to stop liking / improving something that’s objectively got more future?
he won’t ever be as big as van Gogh
Wait until you learn how big van Gogh was during his life…
It’s working. I’m in the (looooooong) process of moving over to Linux.
Same here, I used to be 100% Windows, now I only have a single device in my house that uses it. Windows becomes less useful over time as they push these dark patterns as Linux continues to improve.
I’m similar, I have my gaming desktop running Win10, and my old gaming desktop which migrated from Win7 to Win10 acting as a media center PC. Everything else is using Linux, either Debian or Proxmox. When Win10 hits end of life, the media center PC is an easy upgrade to Debian, but proton only supports ~70% of the games I’d like to play well, so I either need to keep a Windows machine around, or do virtualization + hardware passthrough, both of which are a pain.
With the direction Windows is going, I don’t think I’ll really even want a VM in 2030.
Gaming is literally the only thing keeping me chained to windows. As you said 70% is not 100% and I play a lot of random games. It’s not enough to play some of what I want just to avoid Microsuck even though I reallllllly want to…
Exactly. I only have my workstation on Windows still. Well, it has Linux too, but I use some Windows only software and hardware so it’ll be some time before I figure that out. Will probably have to run Windows in a VM with hardware pass through, if I can get reasonable latency for music production that way.
Linux people are so annoying
Yeah we are… but not more annoying than Microsoft pushing ads everywhere. 😋
what was that nice app that would block Windows 10 upgrades?
There’s a registry setting for telling Windows that the target feature release is a specific version (it should be 22H2) which also will stop it from trying to push win11 upgrades
If anybody is curious, here are the details on how to do that: https://www.pdq.com/blog/how-to-block-the-windows-11-upgrade/
If you want to take it a step further, write a Powershell script that checks that the registry entry is what you want it to be, and then changes it if it is not. Then create a scheduled task to run at login that runs the script. That way if/when Microsoft pushes an update that switches the registry entry back, the scheduled task will flip it back after installing updates/rebooting/logging in.
I am currently fighting this battle with New Outlook in Win 11 23H2. It’s really annoying. I can get rid of it with registry entries, but when windows does updates it reverts the registry changes back. So scheduled task it is. It would be great if there was an Intune configuration profile to deal with this, but that would go against Microsoft’s current methods of shoving new products down your throat.
But 11 wants sometjing from my computer that it doesnt have, so it cant “upgrade”…
Linux. (ducks)
(ducks)
Penguins. :D
Damn a new distro? I can’t keep up…
Linux Ducks sounds delightful. I’d give it a shot.
It will curse and swear to helll with unintelligible error messages.
You say that like that’s not a feature.
Never said it wasnt ;)
You might be talking about Never10, made by Steve Gibson over at GRC.com. It has since been updated and renamed InControl. It now also works to prevent unwanted Win11 upgrades, as well as other things. https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm
This popped up over the weekend on my work PC. It was an emergency and I absolutely needed to get to my desktop ASAP.
Nope. Full screen advertisement for Windows 11 demanding my immediate and undivided attention. Blocking all other functions, commands, and inputs. I must interact with this ad or else I cannot use my computer.
Fuck. That.
I am never installing Windows 11. I am never buying another Microsoft operating system. Specifically because of this sort of heavy-handed dark patterned bullshit. Not to mention the fact that Windows 10 is dog shit.
I feel you. I wish I wasn’t supporting 3500 windows endpoints but that’s the job. Refuse to use that shit at home though except for gaming. Luckily my home windows 10 has all that dumb shit slipstreamed out. I use a Mac or iPad for most other stuff.
I work at an MSP and it has made me hate Windows with a passion. I don’t even want to look at my own computer when I get home. I do almost everything I need to at home on my phone (a pixel 7) and I game on my PS5, switch, and I will be getting a Steamdeck at some point soon.
I adore my steam deck! I play it at home more than my gaming PC because I can be on the couch with my partner instead of another room. Luckily when I do game on my PC I never have to mess with windows, it’s just opening steam and picking something.
I’m saving up for a fence for my yard and a new patio roof, because those take precedence over fun shit. After that I’m gonna get a steam deck. I wanted to get one with my Xmas bonus, but I had vet bills for my puppy and I was out of work for two months due to an injury.
You can support a Windows domain and tons of endpoints from Linux. I know. My work PC runs Arch, btw.
xfreerdp is much better than mstsc.exe
Welcome to the real corporate world where we have teams of people and good luck trying to get your help desk to support Linux, they can’t even figure out Macs
I doubt my helpdesk staff will support my PC. I manage the company including helpdesk PCs from my PC.
It will probably be last PC working when the dummies in that department manage to get spearfished and all windows boxes are encrypted.
There’s not a lot you can do against idiots with Domain Admin credentials other than off-site backups (on a non AD joined Linux PC of course).
I paid full price for Windows 10 twice, from Microsoft’s website. I believe in paying for good software but Windows 10 was anything but. After the whole forced Microsoft account thing I had very little patience and then Windows 11 dropped. I switched to Linux and never looked back.
I understand if anyone can’t switch or disagree with my point of view, you don’t have to leave a comment.
What do you mean by forced Microsoft account? You can make local accounts out of the box in 10 and 11. It’s just annoying to get around.
There isn’t much stopping them from patching the workaround and forcing a setup screen right after the update. I’m glad it works for you, I’m just not interested in making excuses for a three trillion dollar company .
The point being that he paid for the software and he shouldn’t have to get around if
I agree, but I’m just pointing out that it’s possible to get around it. Microsoft fucking sucks, but I want people to know ways around stuff so they aren’t wasting time and money if they don’t have to.
Yup. Personally only use it for work. Linux all the way on all my machines
I’ve never worked with Linux and I get so drained from work, that I don’t even want to look at a computer when I get home. Idk if I have the energy to learn Linux lol.
I switched to Linux in 2014 mostly because Win 8.1 happened to me.
Learning Linux MInt felt about like learning a new Windows version. Think about what it was like to cope with 7 if you’re used to XP, or 10 if you’re used to 7. It’s about like that. But on Linux, it doesn’t go through those dramatic pointless UI changes. Features get added, they sometimes change the default theme, but they don’t drastically change the workflow from one version to the next. If anything, the UI felt more familiar to me than Win 8.1 did. Coping with things like the new way file systems are handled can be a thing, but as I was already playing with Raspberry Pis and had learned how to type cd and ls in a terminal I was kind of okay with that.
Install mint (cinnamon). Very easy to use for starting. Will make computers fun again. As for games. Most work fine but ymmv
Microsoft fucking sucks, but I want people to know ways around stuff so they aren’t wasting time and money if they don’t have to.
What is the way around Microsoft accounts during 10/11 setup?
10: put no@thankyou.com as the email and whatever the fuck you want as a password. It’ll give you an error then let you proceed with local setup. That’s if it forces you to connect to the Internet. I prefer saying I don’t have Internet and choose the limited setup option.
It’s just annoying to get around.
This right here is exactly why I jumped ship. Linux questions tend to be “How do I do this?” and ya learn something.
Microsoft questions tend to be: “Windows is trying to force some new commercially motivated shenanigans on me when I’m just trying to use the OS I already paid them for, how many clever steps must I take to work around their unending, ever-evolving nonsense… Until they pull something else with the next update?”
The complete obfuscation of making local accounts and pushing M$ accounts was infuriating.
I feel this in my bones. Can’t tell you the number of times I’ve been working on some late night or weekend work emergency when fucking Microsoft throws some random unnecessary bullshit in my path. Haven’t run into the Win 11 mandatory commercial yet. But MS is notorious for wasting our time with push notifications, Teams drama, mandatory updates, and slow ass software that glitches at the worst possible times.
MS lost the way years ago. They forgot that software is supposed to work for us. They demand we work for their shitty software.
“Just use Linux” indeed. Will be doing that in my retirement.
It seems like every other time I interact with teams I get a “ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS FEATURE” popup that I have to close before I can do whatever it was I was trying to do. It’s annoying as fuck. Then there’s outlook fucking up my view every time I open the calendar across all my work PCs.
Whenever that switch to linux comes, I recommend linux mint.
Works out of the box, the community using it seems friendly and happy to help, and can be pretty easily configured to fit with windows habits.
Thank you for the recommendation. I have dabbled but have a lot to learn. Looking forward to it.
I guess I’m lucky I just get the “System requirements not met” instead of the Win11 update option.
Purposely not fixing that issue
Yeah same here. Don’t have TPM, not buying a new CPU just to enable Microsoft’s bullshit, so we are at an empasse.
I do have TPM, still not turning it on.
that’s probably the case with the majority of those still using win10 outside of ‘enterprise’ (corporate managed) environments. those upgrade ‘offers’ are quite effective at tricking people into the ‘upgrade’
My computer is good enough to run any games I want to play, even recently released FPS types of games at reasonably high settings. Still not good enough for Win11. My weak-ass tablet, though, was upgraded straight away.
Yeah that’s funny how a gaming laptop with a beefy i7 can’t be upgraded but an enterprise laptop with whatever pitiful i3 can be. Even though gamers see windows as their primary OS, Microsoft clearly doesn’t see gamers as their primary audience.
Say what you will about Apple but I don’t have to put up with this insane shit at least on their computers.
The problem with Apple is that it’s not your computer. It’s their computer and they get to dictate everything you do on it.
Their phones maybe? But not really Macs… You can have full root access, edit system files, replace the OS, whatever.
How so?
Please elaborate.
You have to deal with different shit thought. Source: been using both Windows and Mac for over 20 years now.
Yeah for sure they both have their pros and cons, I’ve used both extensively. This just happens to be something that would particularly fucking infuriate me and I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it on my daily driver.
Sorta feels like someone kicking the door into your house and tacking up billboards on your walls or something.
People still use macrosh!t? 🧐
Windows 10 is the end of the line for me regardless of software compatibility.
Slows my pc down while downloading and prepping upgrade. Attempts upgrade. Not compatible. Undoes upgrade. Bitches to upgrade the next week…
You know who won’t do you dirty like this?
A certain penguin knows.
I’m actually transitioning. Windows for what I need it for but daily driver on mint. I think that makes the updates worse since I’m not using Windows as often.
I have a dual boot. And the penguin works and Microsoft is still sitting around not having an update. I don’t really care. But I can’t game with out Windows. So, bleh.
I can play every Paradox Game on Linux. Therefore, I can play every game that matters. Now, if you need me, I’ll be in Crusader Kings, trying to build a family tree that looks like a giant beanstalk.
Which games are keeping you on windows?
I’m curious because I’m in a similar situation, but really the only game I know isn’t going to work is Tarkov.
Fortnite specifically for me. My son plays it and it’s how we hang out. So, yes. I’m going to keep doing that.
I think the most major ones are
- Tarkov
- Valorant
- Overwatch
- Fortnite
If you know any other major titles LMK
Valorant and now League of Legends use kernel based anti-cheat, so they’re off the table.
I play overwatch on endeavouros and I have better experience on it than in windows. League of legends will stop working soon. In general most of the games with rootkit anticheat clients will not work on Linux. On protondb you can see rankings and user comments about games. Last I checked 2% of all games are not working on Linux.
Can’t play certain games* without windows
