US transportation secretary Pete Buttigieg on Monday said human drivers must pay attention at all times after videos emerged of people wearing what appeared to be Apple’s recently released Vision Pro headset while driving Teslas.
Buttigieg responded on Twitter/X to a video that had more than 24m views of a Tesla driver who appeared to be gesturing with his hands to manipulate a virtual reality field.
Despite their names, Tesla’s assisted driving features – Autopilot, Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self-Driving – do not mean the vehicles are fully autonomous, Buttigieg said Monday on social media.
“Reminder – ALL advanced driver assistance systems available today require the human driver to be in control and fully engaged in the driving task at all times,” Buttigieg said.
It’s like they’re competing for being the most punchable.
The complete disregard for road safety and personal well-being (not to mention the well-being of others) never ceases to amaze me.
I see several videos every day on social media of people taking videos while driving.
Saw another guy doing a (very unimportant) delivery with a trailer across state in a clapped-out old van on the 1 day of the year there was ice on the road, and predictably crashed badly.
Is the US government also alarmed by all the text and driver or the rising pedestrian deaths?
Naw, it’s not topical
Stupidity. Stupidity never changes.
“You can’t fix stupid” - Ron White
Let Darwin take them.
And the innocent others that they may kill in the process?
No motorist is innocent 🙂
I don’t know what that means. Are you saying all drivers and passengers on the road deserve to die?
🤭
I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean.
It means queermunist is a rank piece of human garbage, basically.
God damn cringe overload is what it is…
They could also kill pedestrians
Point.
Actually they’re more likely to do that huh?
Damn. Just another reason to ban driving.
I meant pedestrian are innocent in this case and we let Darwin deal with them innocent pedestrians might die.
Yeah, and I meant we should ban driving. Motorists are the devil.
yeah but most people unfortunately just love to drive
Yeah it’s a shame all those food delivery trucks delivered most of the food you probably ever consumed
I have literally never gotten anything delivered.
I’m sure that’s true 🙄
But anyway, I was talking about all of the food that is delivered to grocery stores, restaurants, and anywhere else in society that wasn’t personally farmed or hunted by yourself. Almost every retail food seller of any kind has their stock delivered by trucks for the last mile at least.
Not to mention all of the various other tangible goods that are purchased for a typical modern life. Those are mostly delivered by trucks to the stores too.
The term “motorist” generally refers specifically to people who travel by car. Truckers are a different category.
That said! Society does not need to be structured in a way where everything is delivered by trucks and it’s actually extremely bad!
Sure keep moving those goalposts, that’ll do it
I love your overall disdain for humanity, but your cherry-picking is disgusting. 😘
Ah yes, so the little baby in the car with no other choice isn’t innocent. You must subscribe to the IDF idea of how to draw the line….
A lot of the people that drive these things are acting like children in adult bodies. I have seen some wildly dumb shit happen. It’s like the car company created by the Darwin Awards…
I literally once saw someone eating on a little folding table/desk of some sort in their Tesla (driver seat, of course) with the dash screen playing some sort of media.
Another time, the person was playing a handheld gaming console of some sort, in the driver seat.
An the automatic lane switching doesn’t adjust for people speeding up in the passing lane well. I’ve seen a couple near accidents there.
acting? I’m gonna need to see some evidence of that.
I mean the table thing and the gaming sounds cool… The issue is them doing it while “”“driving”“”.
Obviously that guy is dumb enough to do this, he bought a cyber truck…
This guy definitely has a crypto wallet and a monkey jpeg
I doubt he has a crypto wallet of his own. Probably an account on coinbase though.
When HMD becomes permanently part of their face upon airbag deployment they might finally realize it was a bad idea.
I am more concerned about the innocent people who will pay for the assholes “bad idea” will their lives.
Realization might only last for about a millisecond or two.
At some point, doctors are gonna tell a guy, “your face is already irreparably damaged by these AR devices in your sniff… just as an experiment, why not improve the enhancements surgically?” And that’s how cyberpunk 2077 gets on the rails.
Building a new 6 Million Dollar Man.
Except that’s what you now have in medical debt.
Eeesh I didn’t mean to inspire anyone haha
After seeing some people having their face branded with their car logo from the wheel the the airbag fired… actually this might be better protection…
It’s Fred. Don’t worry about him at all, he’s really good on speed runs up and down the 5fwy. He always gets home with extra tokens and a good 5000 points.
I wish my Toyota gave me points for driving it!
Aren’t these new Apple things AR devices you can see through, though? You could have a HUD that assists with driving.
Yeah and what would you do if the device malfunctions or runs put of battery? You’d literally be blind.
You take it off… It’s not bolted to your head. What do people who wear glasses do if they fog up while driving?
Yeah, sure. You just “take it off” while driving a +2000kg metal block that’s circulating at 40 to 160km/h. It’s totally fine to lose control over your friggin eyes while operating a machine like that.
I’m sorry but you’re either a troll or just very dumb.
They’re not true AR devices, they’re VR headsets masquerading as AR, you’re still just watching a video of the world around you. As good as the Vision Pro’s passthrough video, it’s still passthrough video and doesn’t have the same resolution as our eyes would have, plus it probably blocks out at least some of your peripheral vision. I do think having a HUD while driving would be nice, but it would need to be able to restrict any sort of extraneous content out (like youtube videos or whatever) and ONLY show information needed for driving (maybe have music/audio controls at most).
the only “HUD” I want while driving is one that dynamically dims LED headlights while leaving the rest of my view unaltered.
Speedo and tach projected in the bottom edge of the windscreen is really nice tho.
The issue is the government’s biggest concern isn’t safety, it’s being able to legislate those being unsafe. Which can actually be conflicting, because even if a VR headset showing directions on the road itself is less distracting than looking at a separate phone/GPS- a cop doesn’t know if you’re doing that, or if you have YouTube in the corner of your eye.
Oh, you “could.” But I’ll bet you these individuals aren’t. These morons are looking at videos or scrolling the web or some other stupid attention diverting shit.
I’m not sure there even exists any kind of hypothetical “AR driving assistance” app for the Apple Vision. And there probably never will, for the obvious massive liability reasons.
This is one of the things about assisted driving tech that’s always confused me. It seems unlikely that we will have fully self-driving cars soon, but the illusion of being able to be absent while driving seems really dangerous. It doesn’t seem like an improvement to me to remove the human element from most of the driving tasks while also requiring that human to spring into action seemingly at random.
Like don’t get me wrong, people do dumb shit on the road with or without assistance, but having a system that requires human involvement at a zero-to-hero level seems like a bad system.
Then again, based on this actual content, maybe people just shouldn’t be allowed to own vehicles full stop.
It seems unlikely that we will have fully self-driving cars soon
Maybe not from Tesla, but Mercedes already sells 2 cars which have limited Level 3 self driving functionality. Up to 50 mph you are legally allowed to divert your attention from the road and do something else, you just need to be ready to take back control within 10 seconds of the car telling you to do so. Mercedes is so confident in that system that they are taking legal liability for any crashes caused while the car is in self driving mode. And Mercedes is already planning to get the car certified for speeds up to 75mph soon, so it will be usable at regular highway speeds
I find it baffling that people are so eager to put their faith in this shit 😂
Have you been in the road?? Human drivers are fucking scary.
Well, so far these cars have driven a lot of miles without crashes. They don’t need to be perfect, they just need to be better than a human driver, which is not a very high bar to set
I’d sooner place it there than with humans.
You are of course correct but the problem is that Tesla are irresponsible, shocking I know.
All the other car companies are holding back their self-driving tech until it actually 100% works, but Tesla are like, nah we’re going to use our customers as bata testers. So what if they die they’ve already bought the car.
I fucking love people
Dumbasses, the videos are fake viral marketing.
Marketing for what? Being incredibly stupid?
Marketing for the Apple VR, which is working, because now we have hundreds of news articles, social media posts and now the goverment talking about it.
So you’re saying Apple paid these people?
I really don’t think these are staged. All its doing is making Vision Pro users look like assholes
The thing doesn’t work when you’re moving and the cameras detect that your surroundings are moving. It is 100% staged.
Source? I heard that it’s usable on an airplane
Maybe that’s the point.
The movements in the video definitely look exaggerated especially the wavy hands at the end
I don’t deny that it’s probably staged. Imo it’s more likely just rage bait
There’s no way that isn’t satire or similar commentary. Problem is I suspect way too many people are too dumb to get it. People who don’t realize it’s a faked scenario and are dumb enough to try it.
You have too much faith in the average commuter.
That’s not an average commuter. It’s utterly ridiculous which is why were even taking about it. This is tide pods all over again.
Given how many people I see texting and playing on their phones during my commute, VR headsets scare the crap out of me. Too many people cannot unplug.
Texting and full immersion headsets aren’t even remotely the same thing.
I know with the Apple headset you can be in a “world” where you can still see you surroundings. Its a video feed of your surroundings so obviously you would not want to drive while doing it and I don’t know the range. But maybe what they were trying to do is have a small screen with a video or to be charitable, Apple maps open in a corner of their vision while still having a full view of the world.
Again, I’m not saying I trust the technology for this purpose but having your GPS directions, semi transparent on a HUD would be really cool.
The video is staged and that’s the beginning and end of my point. I’m not trying to argue about whether the technology is cool or terrible. I’m saying the video is staged.
They are when you are driving. It’s really hard to believe this needs to be said but, you need to pay the fuck attention when you drive.
I’m not telling people to text and drive, I’m saying being completely blind to the world around you is a whole other thing.
Gotcha. I haven’t seen the actual video.
It really is not a problem that’s actually happening though. Not worth worrying about at all.
Smartphones are the actual danger, that is actually happening and they are ubiquitous. Most distracted drivers will be on phones, some will be eating, cops might be looking at their car-laptop… and nobody you ever encounter will likely be driving with a VR/AR headset on.
Man I’ve seen so many other ridiculous things over the years. One was a guy reading a damn paperback book while driving down a busy highway. He was holding it up head level with his head tilted back like he was reading thru bifocals.
I’ve seen so many idiots texting and driving, stuffing their faces with hands full of food, doing makeup, drinking and driving…
Then with Teslas, there’s notorious examples of people putting trust in self-driving while they watch movies, play games, jerk off, or have sex.
It sounds like you’re just lacking life experience on the road and oblivious to irresponsible ‘self-driving’ car owners.
I’ve got over thirty five years of driving experience, and I’ve had a fair bit of VR/AR experience as well. I don’t care how stupid people are, the video is an obvious fake and the fact that people actually think it’s real is the actual problem. Because idiots who can’t tell will try to repeat it and it will go really poorly.
I want to say I’m surprised by how many downvotes you have. But then I remember what the average internet user is like, they love a common enemy and will ralley at any opportunity to follow the masses.
Agreed.
Lemmy users: “I’m not a social media sheep! I don’t fall for gimmicks and ad-revenue-pushed content!”
Also Lemmy users: (well… do I need to generalize? just scroll around lmao)
Like sure, it’s pretty damn obvious we need stronger driving laws, but reporting on a tweet from Pete Buttigeg is hilarious, especially since it’s the absolute bare minimum he could be doing for improving safety of people on/near roads.
I don’t understand what you mean by “faked scenario”. This person is definitely driving and they definitely have the headset on. What do you mean is “faked” about this? Can you clarify?
I’ve clarified in other responses. “Faked” in that it was staged. The dude doesn’t actually drive around wearing a VR headset except, you know, just long enough to film it to present the ridiculous idea that someone might do this. I don’t have the time or energy to go in depth on every single response that says [DOUBT] but you can get a sense of my thought process and I guess either agree or not.
So you’re just implying that the person filming wasn’t a random passenger on the road that saw this? The whole issue is that the person recording was “in” on it? That’s what you’re getting worked up over?
Because the person is driving and they are wearing the headset while doing so. Even if it was only for the duration of the video and then stopped immediately after recording ended, it is still a monumentally stupid thing to do.
If you think it was only done to elicit a reaction then it’s not a trend, right? As in we don’t need an act of Congress over one dipshit looking for attention.
Idk. Attention whore gets attention. News at eleven I guess.
Considering that there have now been multiple videos of people driving while wearing the Vision Pro, the reason people are doing it is irrelevant. They’re still idiots for doing it.
If I understand those headsets correctly it shuts down if it detects movement. Either walking, driving etc. The review I was watching a dude couldn’t use it in a subway. So there is no way this dude is using it while driving down the road. But still obstructs your vision too much.
I don’t think that’s the case. I’ve seen videos of them being used on the subway. I also know somebody that has one and it definitely doesn’t mind if you walk around.
This is not entirely true. You can be moving but the headset needs tracking information to keep things stationary. There’s specifically a travel mode for the Vision Pro for using it on subways and planes and things. I’m assuming you’re talking about Casey’s video on the subway. He didn’t know about the travel mode.
Check out Casey neistats video of the vision pro. He just walks around and rides his boosted board in nyc without getting sick. By his own words, the pass through seems to be so amazing and fast that he forgot it isn’t reality.
Someone linked his video. It’s pretty impressive, especially if unedited. Around 1:10 in the video I can see the low FPS and high latency which most folks say makes them sick when using VR, so that guy must have a hell of a stomach because I’ve got a pretty strong one and pass-through gave me intense nausea and headache in very short order and that has been the case for every single experience with pass-through I’ve read about before.
Dude, are you for real?
What you have been seeing is a screen recording that was cut into a video, which was compressed by YouTube. That’s nowhere close to the high resolution 90hz display that’s actually in front of his eyes.
Just accept that you overreacted and don’t be such a sucker for being right.
It’s not the resolution, it’s the latency. I also never overreacted except possibly in disbelief over how many people accept this as real - as in something this person actually does and not simply staged for a reaction. Well, guess he got it. But yeah I’m about done with all this. Not like anyone is going to remember me if and when we all find out it was staged.
Yea and guess what, you can’t see latency in a YouTube video either.
It’s the first device that keeps the latency sub 12ms. Frankly, I never tried it, but it’s something no other VR device achieved. I doubt it’s fake until proven otherwise, 12ms is almost instant.
Your only argument is “I get sick from VR pass-through”. Well, this is a new device that may have solved it, yet you continue to be set on your opinion based on past experiences with other, worse devices.
The new headsets show you the world around you and add an interface layer, like a HUD except the whole thing is on screen. You can walk around and still see in front of you, while your email interface floats off to the left. You interact with the interface through eye and hand motions.
I haven’t used it, but that’s what they claim it can do. It would not be impossible to do the things people are doing in the video.
Existing headsets also do this (not with integrated email but that’s not the point). I know because trying it walking around my house made me the sickest I’ve ever been using VR. It shocks me the number of people who insist this is real and either haven’t seen the video or haven’t used VR.
This was staged. Will some idiots do it for real? Probably, if they can (sometime else said apple headsets shut down while in motion, so that would be another reason this was staged).
But the number of people downvoting me for saying the video everyone is talking about is faked honestly has me flummoxed. It’s fucking obviously fake, just like the tide pod challenge.
You know with VR you get less motion sick eventually, they call it your “VR Legs” kind of like being on a boat or something like that.
That doesn’t mean this wasn’t staged.
I didn’t say it doesn’t, but your anecdotal experience with VR isn’t specifically proof either.
You keep insisting that it was staged, and nobody is disputing that it may have been staged. But your argument is that nobody could possibly do this, when “this” is precisely the function the headset was designed for.
I’m with you, VR and AR always makes me motion sick, too. But that’s not what happens for everyone. The reason you’re being downvoted is that you’re certain it was staged, but your reasoning doesn’t make sense.
You can walk and drive with one on (you should absolutely not drive with one on). What doesn’t work when you’re moving is the apps. You have to stop walking to interact with an app. There’s the one video of the guy in the crosswalk who stops in the road to click something. Plenty of videos show what you see while walking around wearing the headset.
There’s also Travel Mode for when you’re on a bus or airplane, or in a car (again, DON’T DRIVE WHILE WEARING A HEADSET) that ignores your motion and keeps the interface near you, but I don’t know how well it works.
So to sum up, yes it is possible that these videos are legitimate users being stupid. It’s also possible that they are staged ragebait. Either way, don’t wear one when you should be paying attention to your surroundings.
I appreciate your perspective. Have you seen the video? Because it was fucking ridiculous. Perhaps the reasoning I’m able to articulate doesn’t hold water but I’m like just waving my arms at the video and saying, “just fucking look at it - it’s staged.” The way that guy gets out of the car like he’s dual wielding pistols in the parking lot? Come on. The video is self-aware that it is absolutely ridiculous.
Wait, no, which video are you talking about? I’m talking about (and I assume everyone else is talking about) the guy in the link above who is behind the wheel of a tesla truck cruising along and using his headset. What video are you talking about?
Yeah the one I saw was like 2 seconds of the guy cruising along and then it cuts to him getting out of the truck in a parking lot waving his arms about like he’s living out a John Woo movie.
At 1:10 in the video I can see some FPS and latency issues which is exactly what makes folks sick in the first place. Dude says he’s had it for an hour at that point. I wonder how long he’d actually been wearing it. But absent any sort of evidence that this is a misrepresentation, I’ll take it at face value.
If this guy actually used pass-thru for an hour straight without getting sick, he’s certainly the first one I’ve seen. It’s an impressive feat and kudos for finding it.
If he was in pass thru he’d be vommiting because there’s no faster way to make yourself sick.
The issue I have with your comment is this. You’re asserting that the experience you had with nausea and VR is the experience everyone has or will have with nausea and VR.
Some people can’t read a book in the car without getting motion sickness. Some people can read hundreds. Some can read a few pages.
Some people can read a book but not play a video game. Some people have the opposite problem.
There’s no way this was “fake” maybe staged, but this person was clearly in the driver’s seat driving down a public 4-lane highway. Staged video or not, that’s dangerous.
If you can find one person who has used pass-through while walking around for like 15 minutes and hasn’t gotten sick, you’ve found one more person than me. I’ve never heard anyone mention pass-thru that didn’t immediately follow up that it made them extremely sick.
I’m not a person prone to motion sickness. I’m on boats all the time. I drive hundreds of miles at a stretch without a problem. I started feeling queasy in pass-thru within about 5 minutes. But I stuck with it and within 20 minutes I was on the verge of vomiting. This is not a subtle thing or something that only affects those with a weak constitution.
So I don’t know. Maybe there are folks out there who are completely unaffected by it.
Then there is the claim someone made that a user experience video showed that the headset just shut down at high speeds and couldn’t even be used on a train. I can’t verify that quickly with Google.
I’m not sure where your line is between “fake” and “staged” but if they are only putting the headset on for the purpose of the video and they don’t actually drive around that way, I’m calling that fake. Because they aren’t actually using the headset except to draw attention to the fact that they are wearing the headset. People aren’t actually doing this. They created a fake controversy.
Hi, it’s me, I’ve done it. With my old quest 2 I walked all around my house for a good half hour through pass through no problem.
Your anecdote is not evidence.
With regards to the video being fake or staged, I’m not entering that ring today.
Yup me too. Meta has seen me take a piss more than my wife.
I walk around my apartment in pass-thru all the fucking time during weekend long vr sessions with friends. I never get vr sick at all.
Add me to the list. Have never gotten sick from VR. Ever. Passthrough on the Vision Pro doesn’t make me sick. Cooked a meal with the it on. Ran upstairs and down with it on. Refuse to drive with it on.
I think the other comments have touched on the motion sickness point enough…
I’m not sure where your line is between “fake” and “staged” but if they are only putting the headset on for the purpose of the video and they don’t actually drive around that way, I’m calling that fake. Because they aren’t actually using the headset except to draw attention to the fact that they are wearing the headset. People aren’t actually doing this. They created a fake controversy.
As for this, I only use fake if what appears to have happened didn’t actually happen, e.g. it looks like somebody got stabbed but they definitely didn’t (be it CGI, camera angles, fake knives, etc).
Where as staged is more “that’s what actually happened” but it happened intentionally to make a video. “Here’s your sign” and influencer videos can definitely qualify lol
Okay. I’m not saying the guy wasn’t actually wearing the googles. I’m saying the guy doesn’t actually wear the goggles except when he’s wearing them to poke fun at how ridiculous it would be to wear them. They are being worn ironically, not because the dude actually goes around wearing VR googles in his car.
For one, if a cop ever saw him, he’d be pulled over and cited, and he’d wind up in a fucking car chase and never even know it. Does autopilot automatically pull over for emergency vehicles? I can’t believe anyone is treating this with an ounce of seriousness except for the fact that morons that can’t tell the whole thing is a joke will actually go and do it.
It could be fake, but it’s just as, if not more likely real. The video is clearly a public road with other traffic around (waiting at the lights).
Also Tesla are having enough difficulty getting their autopilot features signed off, and Apple definitely wouldn’t want to advertise their Vision as a tool you can use while driving.
Why contribute to satire when it’s just as likely someone is really that dumb and has that level of disposable income?
It’s not just as likely at all. The fuck is wrong with people?
People on this site will shoehorn in a chance to hate on Tesla whenever they can. I got called a fanboy once for speculating why the cybertruck had such bad range. All I said was basically “I wonder if it’s a software bug,” and it was followed by 8 hours of being insulted by various people.
