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    This is most prevalent on androids, even stock pixel. As much as I like to shit on apple, they have less bloat on your phone. Of course whatever native app you have on there, you wouldn’t able to delete, whereas on android you could delete it if you really wanted to.

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      I mean, yeah, but there’s also manufacturer bloatware. This model year, Samsung in particular has outdone themselves with the implementation of their AI chatbot nearly zero percent of their customer base wanted.

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    For the same reason we have every fucking other problem in the world right now.

    Capitalism.

    You cannot align incentives towards growing the wealth of a microscopic yet astronomically lecherous group of monsters and expect society to not just crumble under the weight.

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    Basically, because we don’t own our devices. We are allowed to use our devices by the good graces of the manufacturers that charge a premium for them.

    This really needs to change. I remember the preinstalled app antitrust suit(s) in the early 00s. Those need to happen again, but likely the EU will have to as the US is entering a dark age, and the US will continue to have inferior everything to the rest of the world for the foreseeable future.

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      Wait a second, iOS is chock full of garbage that you can’t uninstall whatsoever. At least on Android you have a chance to get rid of everything.

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        With the exception of Safari, you can uninstall every application using the standard process.

        Can you do that for Android carrier crapware that’s preinstalled? Just tap on it and choose uninstall?

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          I never buy phones from carriers, always directly from manufacturers, so no idea. Manufacturer bloat can be deleted pretty straightforward.

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            You do understand that you’re not in the majority?

            The root problem is that Android lets carriers “enhance” their devices with crapware and also make it hard or impossible to install without technical know-how

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      iOS doesn’t come with any preinstalled Apple bloatware either. Oh, wait.

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        It’s hardly intrusive, no pop ups or “hey I’m here” notifications. You can uninstall most of them in seconds without special tools.

        Android crapware is much more deeper, it’s not stuff your grandma can uninstall.

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          Android crapware is much more deeper, it’s not stuff your grandma can uninstall.

          installs custom rom

          not every person can-

          Their problem.

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          It’s hardly intrusive, no pop ups or “hey I’m here” notifications. You can uninstall most of them in seconds without special tools.

          If that’s your definition of bloatware then this point:

          Android crapware is much more deeper, it’s not stuff your grandma can uninstall.

          Is pretty silly as Android has less apps built into the OS, and I can actually go into settings and disable them very easily. Specific phone carriers might add bullshit on top of that, but that’s not Android doing that

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            Android is giving the carriers the option to do that. They don’t need to give the tools for crapware installation

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              Implying that we should not give anyone any freedom just because it can be abused, Developers can make better and more privacy respecting OS than vanilla android and we should just flush all that drown the drain and instead shove everything vanilla into everyone’s ass. GREAAAT!

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          Can you uninstall Apple TV, Apple Music, Books, FaceTime, Fitness/Health, Podcasts, and News?

          Can you disable Safari or the App Store?

          Can you install non–Apple-sanctioned apps?

          Which isn’t to say Android’s situation is great for various manufacturers, just weird to not include iOS.

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            Yes for all of the first group.

            No for Safari.

            My need to install “unsanctioned” apps on my phone is on par with my need to install random apps on my PS5. Zero. YMMV.

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        They are a prefect example of I’m a prviliged person who has not suffered so I refuse to believe that the current system causes suffering

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    The problem is that most phones don’t support ROM’s like Graphene or Linage, as people installing custom roms is a relic of years past. Next time you get a phone, think about if you want this option for yourself. Also, do keep in mind that some phones have HW backdoors on them, so even installing a stock rom/graphene does not save you from privacy.

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      That’s true. Graphene is majorly Pixel limited, I guess. And even Lineage has a small set of devices when one considers the nos of OEMs and variants they manufacture per year.

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      Even pixel or Fairphone is fairly free of bloatware compared to Samsung and shitty Chinese brands as long as you are not privacy paranoid about Google services.

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          And that’s fine, but first people like you (and me to some extent) are in the vast minority and that’s also not an issue of bloatware per se.

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            yeah the only problem is that i have to participate in this hellhole capitalist society. Im trying to figure out what the best VPN is to use, along side if tor is worth using.

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        With a rooted phone you can install Zygisk (magisk + zygote) and then a bunch of modules that simulate system integrity.

        What you need are “play integrity fix” and “playcurl_NEXT”.

        The first module lets you bypass the google play integrity check, the second one will download updated integrity fingerprint files every 5 minutes to ensure that the bypass never fails.

        If you know how to install custom ROMs, this part is not a big challenge.

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          Thank you. Yeah I was aware that there is magysk. Problem is - it’s becoming too many hacks to deal with. And I bet it probably breaks from time to time and one has to hack/fix it again?

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      HW backdoors

      Tell me more!

      And lil papa google now forces GPlay Integrity so custom Roms are fucked

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          I’m using Grapheneos and rooting the room will make it less secure 🤷‍♂️ and I don’t see why root my phone

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            It’s android but without google . Given how much google fucks with me, I’m willing to say fuck u to google

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              Google fucks with everyone, now more than ever with this “recommended” (forced) play integrity. Look at the recent ban from Uber, Authy (thank god I switched a few days ago) and some other apps

              I was curious why Hauwei and not LineageOS, GrapheneOS, Calyx, etc

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                tbh recently I just don’t have time to futs with roms.

                Ive used lineage for many years. And would love to use it permanently but banking apps is a problem for me and having to hack things too much is a problem for me.
                Obviously some linux mobile distro would have been ideal. but There isn’t anything usable.

                calyx/graphene - the model selection is just too limited. And I would never buy a google or apple device.
                lineage os doesn’t support oneplus 12R I use now (well there is unofficial rom).

                so I would like to try huawei, the hope is - it’s like android but naturally without google because its designed like that.

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        Well its known that SoC’s have backdoors on them. Usually it calls home to China, so you can guess what that’s for.

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        Just keep it offline and get yourself a Nvidia shield as a multimedia station. They are excellent.

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            Same for my dishwasher. I don’t even understand why that thing asked for a wifi connection in the first place, it’s not like I can remotely unload it or anything. And a notification is perfectly useless when I can just check my watch…

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              heck I was mad years ago when my microwave wanted to know the year. this stuff is getting rediculous. I need to start a thing like the amish but no internet connections allowed except for computers and phones. well ok cameras and sensors.

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                Luckily most devices work perfectly fine without internet. And I get the convenience of being able to switch on the heating or lower the window blinds and stuff from the office before leaving so that it’s nice at home, but we did that back in the 90s with a simple timer.

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      1. buy a laptop/desktop
      2. boot up windows and setup with fake shit
      3. download and flash your favourite linux distro
      4. disable secure boot
      5. boot from usb.
      6. ???
      7. profit!
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            I want to add here my deeply missed Playnite. There is nothing under Linux that comes close. I’ve settled for the combination of steam, heroic and lutris, but that is not even close for sure.

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            • Internet Download Manager (IDM): Yee, I know it may not increase your download speed but was kinda good to have the main folder of downloads and every file by category downloaded in a subdirectories: Images, Documents, videos, etc. Using JDownloader 2 but it’s not the same
            • Affinity Designer: I know there is “Inkscape” but I still prefer affinity for it’s UI and because I’m used to it
            • AMD Adrenaline: Yeah, maybe was a bloatware and shit but kinda liked the built in record feature and tweaks you could do
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              fair enough, nobody is forcing you to switch, but Inkscape is there, and i am pretty sure there is a replacement program for on-the-fly recording (never looked into it, i don’t really play games like that)

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                I tried Xubuntu years ago because my PC was shit then kinda abandoned it, got tired of windows and installed Linux. After a big update, Linux broke and trying to reinstall it I… Picked the wrong partition and deleted windows lol

                Inkscape is nice but in used to Affinity Designer and kinda love it. For Adrenaline I’m sure it exists but steam built-in feature is enough.

                I love my Linux and fuck Micro$oft