ITT: a bunch of lemmings who apparently aren’t big fans of law and order.
You make any society worse, you asshats.
These companies don’t care about you, or your kids, or your grandkids. They have zero qualms about burning down the planet for a buck, so why should we have any qualms about burning them down to survive?
We’re animals just like everything else on this planet, except we’ve forgotten the law of the jungle and bend over for our overlords when any other animal would recognize the threat and fight to the death for their survival. “Violence never solved anything” is a statement uttered by cowards and predators.
(Quote from a book review made by the suspect)
A book review of the Unibomber manifesto! 4/5 stars lol
Why not 5/5?
He saw room for improvement.
I think they specifically mention less collateral deaths
5/7. Perfect.
The Unibomber had the right idea but his methods were sloppy and he was so messily indiscriminate with his targets that it and undermined his message.
The Unabomber had the right idea
Have you read his manifesto? Especially the first part? Dude would have voted Trump and been first in line on Jan 6.
I can’t believe they tracked down his Goodreads account. The internet truly never ceases to amaze.
A bunch of rich people were scared. Now we are about to see a bunch of theater to make them all feel safe and good about treating the peasants poorly. Mark my words.
They should stay scared. This is far from over.
You’re telling me the same guy who was proclaimed some kind of modern ninja-spy-assassin-genius on the back of his work in NYC was just stupidly waltzing around Altoona carrying an illegal ghost gun?
Doubt.
Why would he be carrying all of the evidence including handwritten motives, the same fake ID and firearm with him to McDonald’s after days of being on the run? If he really wanted a ghost firearm, he could have had a second one that fired another caliber. Why would he still be wearing a face mask to make him look exactly like the pictures that were released and triggering people to think of him?
Either this guy wanted to get caught, or we’re not getting the full story.
Proclaimed by whom?
Personally think he underestimated the target this would paint on his back. Either that or he knew and was expecting to be caught.
That’s the trouble with heroes becoming actual people and likely why media is covering who he is. Instead of being an unknowable symbol of defiance, we now have to grapple with the fact that he is human.
In the modern surveillance state, it’s hard to get away with this kind of thing. In a matter of hours, they had a partial photo, the hostel where he was staying, the ID he used, and the taxi he took.
Granted, some of this was probably from people reporting him after seeing his picture on the news.
Yeah after something like this you go back to your place off the grid for a while. Certainly not some medium sized town guaranteed to have desperate boot lickers. That kid just made 60k if the arrest turns out to be legitimate.
There’s still no reason he should have had any of those bits of evidence still on his person though if he didn’t want to get caught.
My “I’d like it to be true” theory is that the guy is terminally ill anyhow, and escape vs. get caught later and have a platform due to the trial vs. be killed at the scene were all equally acceptable outcomes to him.
Hence the very meticulous planning and clear proficiency with the required steps to do the killing, yet (intentional?) sloppy drop of the phone and water bottle, plus exposure of his face, and continuing to carry every bit of the evidence they could hope to find on him days later.
Assuming the latter given he apparently didn’t ditch the gun, clothing, and had a manifesto. Especially so if it’s true the gun was 3d printed, that would’ve been much easier to dispose of than an actual gun. Dudes had days and is in an area where they have easy cover to burn all of those things
It’s possible that the myth grew out of proportion to the reality because we all got a bit caught up in the romance of the thing…
Though, like, I’d still absolutely hit that. Cut myself on those cheekbones, goddamn.
The bootlickers never cease to amaze me. A McDonald’s employee? Are you fucking kidding me?
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Or really just someone on a shit wage with rent and bills that saw 50k as an end to their immediate issues.
How about posting a gofundme (or whatever) to collect whatever money they want to not snitch
One can make a good living stealing out of a blind man’s cup.
Someone that has their own morals, and thinks killing is bad? Totally a bootlicker! For me its about principles. The death of this CEO changes nothing
Someone that has their own morals, and thinks killing is bad?
Can we guarantee they’d report him if there was no financial incentive?
The system really doesn’t give a fuck about your or anyone else’s morals, let’s not pretend otherwise. That’s why they put a bounty on the killer, after all.
So if killing one person is bad, isn’t killing hundreds to thousands of innocent people/year hundreds to thousands of times more bad?
He isn’t except from the justice system last time I remember. He is also not personally and individual to blame for the sole responsibility of those deaths. Also a murder isn’t the same as a person dying of something else because that didn’t get treated.
I’m not a total corpo bootlicker no worries, but I believe this is just one more death this whole system claims and I despise the celebration of his death. I believe in the end this death changes nothing, like I said
I think their argument is his death changes nothing.
It does, though. This guy was a fucking asshole even for a health insurance company CEO.
I mean, yes it does change things for CEO+family. But nothing is going to change regarding how these companies treat people.
I meant in the sense that he took a, well, normal insurer and raised its claim denial rates to one of the highest in the industry. The world is legitimately a better place with him gone, because while I doubt UHC will accept more claims at least he won’t be around to kill even more people.
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The principle should be “harm society at large, abandon the protections of society”.
Not a fan of human rights, are you?
As much as I dislike them calling, I can’t really be mad at someone who’s making minimum or near-minimum wage for being tempted by the reward money. There’s a good chance they’re living paycheck to paycheck.
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Having all the incriminating evidence on him seems… Extremely unlikely considering the rest of what we know about the situation.
That’s the type of shit you’d expect from desperate police planting evidence. Planting a random suppressor, a supposedly “phantom” 3d printed gun, and a manifesto isn’t exactly hard. Only the gun could possibly be directly traced to the bullets fired, and that’s not something they can test in the field.
Not saying that’s necessarily the case here, but this would not be the first time law enforcement, including the FBI, planted evidence because of outside pressures.
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Do they plant the evidence on him in the McDonald’s, or is it just in a bag at the station and it’s “found on him” when they search him there? Planting it publicly seems hard. Would have to give every officer a bag of “evidence” or know who was going to respond to the call. Besides the whole not getting seen planting it by the public.
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And they’ll be back to paycheck to paycheck soon enough.
Have a little faith in humanity? If it’s a 19 year old working through college that’s basically their whole 4 year tuition and them some in that area
You must not know how much tuition is. That’ll cover a year at a place like NYU. Maybe 2 years for an out-of state school.
Didn’t say I didn’t have faith. But the likelihood they will have much in a years’ time is extremely low.
Rich people are the only class with any solidarity.
Idealistic teenagers will get you every time. Old enough to drink the Flavor Aid, young enough to not have the experience to temper it.
It sucks major but it could be someone who lives in a small bubble, doesn’t use social media, and only watches fox news. Or whatever local news channel. If that’s all they see, they might think they did the right thing. They could be oblivious.
They could also be a bootlicker. Time will tell if we get more info. If their info is released the 50k probably won’t be worth it.
I mean, he has a very active Twitter account
That $50,000 bounty is likely a bigger payout than two years of wages as a burger flipper…
I’m no expert, but wouldn’t the snitch have to pay taxes on the reward they receive? So they have earned the ire of a nation for a small stack of cash that they’ll likely blow within a year. Smort.
And this is how the elite force us “lowers” to fight against each other instead of fighting them.
Sure, but there’s a reason that scabs used to be beaten and shunned. Solidarity means everyone, and the consequences for breaking it need to be high or it’s too easy for the bosses to pick people off one by one by offering them bonuses for ratfucking their peers.
It’s always been that way and will always be that way. The point isn’t to stop the infighting entirely, it’s to work in such ways as to reduce the impact it has on the goals we should be striving to achieve. Namely a better world for everyone.
It doesn’t have to always be this way
It will always be this way because people have opinions and perspectives. The two best ways to lessen infighting is by having a simple and common end goal. The second is a leader. Find both of these and I guarantee people will follow.
It would be a shame if the person who sold out were publicly identified. Hopefully that will never ever happen.
Yes, in all honesty, hopefully that will never happen.
What, are you hoping for vigilante justice against a minimum wage worker?Did you forget that shame exists? Not all, hell not even most calls to name an offender are a call for violence, the vast majority are calls for accountability and potentially shame.
That person should be publicly shamed for the class traitor they are
Nothing good comes out of Altoona, look at their fucking “pizza”
who the fuck tried to upscale ghetto pizza (which is basically toast, ketchup and sliced american)
Wtf kind of abomination is that?!
Something that would make every Chicagoan and their ancestors cry.
If I were Uncle Roger and I saw this abominable attempt at a deep dish pizza, I’d put my leg down from chair.
It’s a pizza, a sub, and “more”!
Please don’t tell Jon Stewart
nono. please do. But make sure to record it
How to piss off the entire population of Italy in 1 image
Or just anyone who likes food.
Italians will just shrug and say “Beh, è l’America.”
Hey you’re messing with our class solidarity posting that
Burn it! Burn it with fire! The power of Christ compels you!
It looks like someone melted orange plastic on a dish sponge that was used to clean up a picnic table after a seafood boil
Euccchhh what the fuck??
Wow
Some people really do seem to believe that “murder is wrong.” Who’d have thought?
Nuance: unjustified murder is wrong. Someone who dedicates their life to destroying others for profit, murdering them is significantly less violent than letting them persist, and is therefore justified.
Nuance… There are people calling for violence against the McDonald’s employee who reported the murderer to the police.
Tankies didn’t know the meaning of the word “nuance”. People who express nuance are “Nazi sympathizers” or “class traitors”. Anyone with a remotely “centrist” view is “sitting in a Nazi bar” and therefore culpable.
This place is a shithole of absolute moralism.
The leading sentiment in this thread is that while that worker is indeed a class traitor, that their decision was at least understandable due to the financial crunch they’re likely in as a McDonald’s employee.
YOU are exhibiting absolute mortalism and an abandon of nuance by cherry picking a few extremists to represent the entire response that’s growing against the unethical direction health insurers’ have taken their industry.
If you see a call for violence against the McD worker, report it.
Cherry picking??? There are tons of examples!
“Fuck the people who reported him.”
“That McDonald’s worker should be hiding”
“The employee sent someone to live life in prison. As far as drag’s concerned, that is murder.”
Something something “nazi bar” my friend. Or in this case it’s a “tankie bar”.
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Who probably doesn’t even have health insurance at all. People acting against their own self-interest are all over the place.
How is tipping off the police to get the cash reward against your self interest? Holy fuck dude.
Plenty of people bought in to the messages of popular media. Hard to change a mind that follows so blindly.
First they let Trump work the fryer for a PR stunt, now this. Fucking McDonald’s…
If they weren’t already on your boycott list, now’s the time.
I don’t eat at McDonald’s for a variety of reasons, but I doubt very much that the company has anything to do with the guy being called in.
Doesn’t matter. They’ve been at the forefront of bullshit lately, and their product is shit/expensive. McD’s is one of the organizations that needs to just end.
Dreamy
As someone said on another site: Cuty McShooty
God damn.
Mama mia!
Bring me the Luigi crossover memes. Bring me them all.
Would
He’s pretty cute! See if you can find a picture of his dad.
Why is I Did A Thing not wearing his apron?
Muad’ib lookin’ ass
I want to read his manifesto and support his defence.
‘Mein Anspruch’
You really think every person in real life goes ahead with supporting this murder just because you heard enough people online repeating this in this echo chamber?
Bro there are Ben Shapiro watchers mad at him for shilling for big corporate interests in the reporting over this story. They agree with the killer too lol
Yeah, they seem to…
I’ve definitely heard both sides of the argument from people who are in no way rich. This is an echo chamber on anti-wealth issues. What people agree on is getting rid of health insurance.
No. Everybody knows that some people stand up for mass murderers, so long as they do it by enough proxy layers.
Plenty of people betray society for want of looking down on others
It goes well beyond any one echo chamber, I still have Xitter and peruse TikTok from time to time. It was/is everywhere across the political spectrum
Careful, .world admins don’t like people mentioning jury nullification
They revised mod policy to only hand out bans/deletions if jury nullification was referenced as a cause to vilence, not a reaction o past events. I’m paraphrasing, of course.
Yeah, basically
“Go do [Violence] and we’ll do jury nullification afterwards” is bad, bur
“[Violence happened], but it was justified in the eyes of the majority of people so jury Nullification should happen”
Is OK
They specifically said it’s okay in reference to crimes already committed.
We should all completely cease talking about it. It, of course being jury nullification.
Why? Seems like something people should know about.
I think that message was a sort of sarcastic way of getting around a “dont talk about jury nullification” rule, in that saying “we cant talk about x”, while making it very clear what x is, prompts people unfamiliar with x to go look it up
Ding ding ding. Ding, of course being jury nullification
I’m warning you. If you say jury nullification once more…
Ding (jury nullification)
Because the refusal to convict someone based on laws and circumstances you feel are unjust is wrong and goes against everything the ruling class have fought for.
But if also a cornerstone. (For better and worse–it got and still gets used to excuse people who commit hate crimes, for example.)
The “good ol’ boy” excuse.
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“He’s got a promising life ahead of him!”
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“It’s just how things are done, that ain’t his fault!”
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“He just didn’t know any better!”
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“We’ve all done stupid things before, who are we to judge?”
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“He’s a pillar of the community, think of all the good he’s done!”
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Good time to switch away from .world
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Switched to dbzer0 straight after seeing a mod try and justify the censorship of this topic by saying something along the lines of “only God can judge.”
Now I get to enjoy aaaall the content world has defederated from.
The policy was cleared up, basically EU/Dutch/Finnish law doesn’t like Jury Nullification in regards to future crimes/calls to violence. But in regards to crimes already committed it’s fine. And being as that’s where .world is hosted, that’s the law they go by.
I don’t care already left and hope ppl start more comms off worlds and switch too
You mean that very legal and factually-suppprted facet of the American justice system that every juror should be informed about before making a decision in court?
Technically, it is not legal. However, there’s no way to either prove it, nor is there any recourse against it.
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The hivemind didn’t like that but it’s true, in most states just uttering the words anywhere near the courthouse can cause mistrials and a misdemeanor charge.
Please point me to the statute or code which states a juror is legally obliged to render an accurate and truthful verdict, and explain how you would enforce such a thing.
I guess you’ve never done jury duty, but when I have, they make you swear an oath more or less to that effect. I’m pretty sure it can be prosecuted, but if you want to the specific laws, you’re welcome to find that for yourself.
If you have also done jury duty, you will recall that the duration of the deliberation is done in a sealed room with no officials present.
You can absolutely conspire to nullify in complete discretion because your conversations legally cannot leave the room until the case has shut.
I hung and nullified a jury myself. It was very uncomfortable. At two points I requested the judge to come in and explain to the rest of the jurors I didn’t owe them any explanation for my not guilty verdict. It took the trial out an additional two days and everyone was pissed at me but I was not going to sit in my privilege and give a guy a felony conviction after months of obvious police harassment.
It is actually legal. It’s built directly from the laws and kind of a necessary component if you want jury trials to actually work and not just be a kangaroo court. People just don’t like it.
Technically we have jury exactly for that reason.
Otherwise we only would need a judge.
The whole idea behind jury is meant to prevent judge from convicting someone if peers don’t believe the crime should be punished.
To clarify, the admins have updated their views in reaction to this week and user feedback:
Following a discussion in our team we want to clarify that we are no longer requesting moderators to remove content relating to jury nullification in the context of violent crimes when the crime in question already happened. We will still consider suggestions of jury nullification for crimes that have not (yet) happened as advocation for violence, which is violating our terms of service.
Important lessons here kids. Just sayin’
I am normally the first to decry dipshit conspiracy theories. However does anyone else find it interesting that they quickly arrested someone who looks not the same but similar to the released photos, with an untraceable 3d printed gun? That gun gives them the lack of need to prove where it came from and a vague air of suspiciousness. Oooh he wrote a suggestive book review. Case close boys?
Wow, he’s even hotter in this picture.
Hero
To all the people who say he’s just a suspect, unfortunately they have good evidence against him, our only hope now is a jury of our peers.
Doesn’t look anything like the pictures the cops spread
