It just feels too perfect. Its probably a copycat, could be a faked arrest though. If it is a copycat there is a pretty high chance law enforcement just won’t care, and will treat him as if he was the assassin
Will people be able to make freedom of information requests for the interrogation footage?
Because you want to see them plant the evidence or because you want to watch him get patted down?
Plant what evidence?
It looks like the guy was caught with the weapon and the fake ids used during his stay in NY.
Why is there so much talk about a fall guy? They have the guy, he has a manifesto. If the police had the gun and fake ids then they would have got them off the real guy so no need for a fall guy.
Looking at pictures of Luigi he looks like the dude in the other photos and I’m sure in time he’ll tell us why he did it.
There is no need for a conspiracy here, and frankly I find it baffling why you would think this is a frame up.
Because sometimes idiots will plant evidence on someone they legitimately believe is guilty, but don’t have the evidence to prove it.
Like, I don’t think it’s a stretch to say the majority of Americans know someone who has had that happen to them. I know everyone who knows me does, because it happened to me as a kid.
Sure, I did what the cops thought I did. But the only evidence was what one cop planted, so charges never went anywhere. But if I hadn’t been bailed out, I could have spent 6-12 months in jail waiting for the charges to be dropped.
This is reality.
So whether or not this specific one is a plant, you can’t just believe what cops say at face value. Even when they’re trying to “do the right thing” they can be corrupt. Lots of them just think the ends justify the means
I too have ben fucked over by the cops when I was younger, but come on. It’s a massive stretch to believe that they just pick some random guy and plant a murder weapon, fake ids and a manifesto.
Let’s say we buy into that argument. Where did they get the gun? The IDs? And who wrote the manifesto.
Not to mention the dude (Luigi) looks like the dude we seen in the CCTV images shown the last few days.
What is the benefit to finding a fall guy? It’s not going to stop someone else who is motivated to do the same to another CEO.
It’s a massive stretch to believe that they just pick some random guy and plant a murder weapon, fake ids and a manifesto.
Not really.
It’s not “the murder weapon” it’s a basic bitch p80 and a silencer. Maybe it’s the murder weapon, we don’t know yet.
And a fake ID isn’t great evidence too, it doesn’t have his name, or maybe even his actual picture. It could have been found in the backpack, along with a manifesto.
Like, I’m not saying it’s a framejob, but you’re acting incredulous that anyone could believe this could be a frame-up. To me it’s less likely he’s just going to a random McDonald’s with all that stuff on him.
It’s certainly possible, even plausible. That’s different than saying it is, which seems to be the argument you’re trying to have.
What is the benefit to finding a fall guy? It’s not going to stop someone else who is motivated to do the same to another CEO.
Because the CEO was under DOJ investigation for insider trading and a civilian suit from shareholders because he didn’t let them know to sell when he did.
The CEO fucked over the rich, and blaming it on this would be an amazing frame up.
Because everyone wants the lie to be true.
Stop acting like real life is boring. Shits been crazy if you haven’t noticed
Regardless of your opinion on the suspect, taking cops at their word is fuckin stupid behavior. I don’t give a shit what kind of evidence they say they have until it’s scrutinized in court. The police lie for a living, it does not matter how high profile this case is.
It’s a massive stretch to believe that they just pick some random guy and plant a murder weapon, fake ids and a manifesto.
It’s nothing they (The Cops) haven’t done before, and it wouldn’t be just any random person, it’ll be whoever looks closest to the images
Where did they get the gun? The IDs? And who wrote the manifesto.
They usually take what they need from evidence lockup
to mention the dude (Luigi) looks like the dude we seen in the CCTV images shown the last few days.
There’s a million people who “looks like” someone else, nearly every image was missing LARGE portions (but different) of the face
What is the benefit to finding a fall guy?
To save face, literally that’s it.
It was just a joke about there being a video of a handsone guy getting frisked. I don’t really think they planted evidence.
Luigi better shut the fuck up
He’s an ivy league kid with wealthy parents, he’s not talking to anyone, those people know to immediately lawyer up and keep your mouth shut
He apparently has a manifesto. Dude wants to talk about what he believes and is willing to kill over.
Certainly. Anyone can.
Oh I’m sorry, the cameras malfunctioned at the same time the NVR crashed and the redundant backup failed.
Catching the suspect came down to “good old-fashioned police work,” New York Mayor Eric Adams said Monday, citing the McDonald’s employee who called in a tip.
Lol, you mean someone hitting the “easy” button and telling cops where he is? That’s “police work”? Waiting around for someone to do the work for you?
Edit: I wouldn’t want to be the person collecting the reward for the arrest of this individual.
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ITT conspiracy theories abound already.
The suspect was at a McDonald’s in Altoona, Pennsylvania and was recognized by an employee who then called local police.
I’m accusing parallel construction. The released photos have so little detail that there must be a hundred thousand Americans that match their appearance.
To be fair, the video of the shooter had the upper half of his face.
And the guy they arrested has the upper half of his face.
Although I have the upper half of my face.
Do you have the upper half of your face? If not we can probably rule you out.
Someone did their Snowden reading:
Parallel construction is a law enforcement process of building a parallel, or separate, evidentiary basis for a criminal investigation in order to limit disclosure as to the origins of an investigation.
In the US, a particular form is evidence laundering, where one police officer obtains evidence via means that are in violation of the Fourth Amendment
De facto illegal and shady as hell, but in use when the (feds especially) want to catch someone, typically via warrantless SIGINT mass surveillance. They’ll do the investigation using dragnets and broad searches through metadata and other means that are illegal and inadmissible in court, then an incredibly convenient cop/witness/informant will appear with information that permits an arrest/search under permissible means - under the hole that the suspect has incriminating evidence.
This is wayyy too convenient to get him, with all the evidence on hand, from a ‘concerned citizen’. We live in a police state, that serves the ruling and moneyed class.
Upon further investigation, officers recovered a firearm on the man, as well as a suppressor, both consistent with the weapon used in the murder.
Ummm… That’s awfully convenient. He just happened to have brought that exact gun with its suppressor to McDonald’s. I’m skeptical.
From the video, it sounded like they searched his residence and found it there.
They must have planted it back on him.
Found in a lake, then planted and parallel constructed
How do you not throw the gun away before leaving the city?? The ID was apparently on him too
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I’m honestly willing to believe him being dumb founded for the last week, fully expecting to have been caught and said fuck it, better me than someone innocent.
…or maybe the police just found their scapegoat
Really weird scapegoat - super connected and wealthy family from Maryland? 40k a year private school? Cousin that’s hardcore conservative and holds an elected office?
Exactly this. He pulls off the hit, escapes without a trace. But is somehow dumb enough to carry convicting evidence on him still while in a very public location?
Anyone would know to dump the evidence and lay low for a good while.
It was most likely actually in the backpack they found in Central Park
Toss that shit in a river and go back to your life like nothing happened.
Laying low and hiding just makes people suspicious. If the cops come looking and your work and friends haven’t seen you since the shooting, you look guilty as fuck.
Leave no trace and go back to your life. Looks way more plausible that you just took a mini vacation that way.
People online are saying he was expecting to get caught - Hence the YouTube video he released.
A real shame, his expectations lead to the outcome.
Ooh there’s a youtube video? First I’ve heard of this. Do you have a link handy?
channel it was uploaded onto https://web.archive.org/web/20241209203920/https://www.youtube.com/@PepMangione might be him, probably not him, although interestingly its now a 404 page.
also reupload by poser: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6PSrcw1Jaw
Everyone is asking these same questions…
Don’t forget, they basically found a long drawn out letter about how much dislike he has for CEOs - something along those lines.
We all know that just what you go around carrying after you pulled off a crime like that.
This doesn’t even look like him. Eyebrows nose and smile are completely different.
Listen, it says a lot that someone must have recognised him from circumstance and eyebrows. They did not squeal.
I am normally the first to decry dipshit conspiracy theories. However does anyone else find it interesting that they quickly arrested someone who looks not the same but similar to the released photos, with an untraceable 3d printed gun? That gun gives them the lack of need to prove where it came from and a vague air of suspiciousness. Oooh he wrote a suggestive book review. Case close boys?
Jury nullification occurs when a jury returns a Not Guilty verdict even though jurors believe beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant has broken the law. Because the Not Guilty verdict cannot be overturned, and because the jurors cannot be punished for their verdict, the law is said to be nullified in that particular case.
ITT: a bunch of lemmings who apparently aren’t big fans of law and order.
You make any society worse, you asshats.
Ugh, was hoping they’d never catch him.
Not looking forward to the upcoming demonization of him by the news.
Tear apart his manifesto, pull up some kooky tweets and his bed is made, next up they’ll find CP on his phone or some shit 🤦♂️I really wonder why he’d keep walking around with the same gun, same fake ID and manifesto though. Did he want to get caught???
With the whole thing of the monopoly money…I think he wanted to be found to make a statement
all of these elements are exactly the kind of Hyperreality that Baudrillard wrote about in Simulation and Simulacra.
I agree with Luigi that it’s bad for humans to live in a simulated experience 24/7, but not with his ultimate conclusions about remedies.
He saw the problem but had no idea what to do for solutions and the ones society was feeding him (he didn’t come up with that on his own) are bullshit. But society won’t tell you about Baudrillard.
This is something people need to get better at seeing. If we want to reach these people we need to understand what’s happening when they say things like this. We also, ourselves, need to understand this stuff so we can speak intelligently about it. You know the media and powers that be never will.
I don’t fully agree with him here, but I see where he’s coming from and respect his opinion. Personally I think these cultural elements are driven by material conditions, and that it would be better to address the underlying problem of social alienation and capitalist exploitation directly.
Tinfoil hat time: with the police looking increasingly incompetent with no suspect or leads, the first person apprehended who vaguely resembles the shooter is provided with a free ghost gun, fake ID, and manifesto. It’s all just too “slam dunk” perfect for me to not question it.
The local police responded and are holding the suspect for NYPD while they travel to interview the suspect.
Imagine being that cop and you know you are too stupid for the job haha
I thought so too, but if that’s the case, why would they have him “Found” on a McD’s after a call from a bystander?*
Doesn’t really make the cops look competent, now does it?*Bystander or McD employee? The news sources seem conflicted on this…
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I don’t think that’s true at all. If anything, the perception that body cameras make the evidence found more solid actually increases the chances that evidence will be planted.
Multiple times now we have seen that these cameras do not record continuously. They have triggers like when the cop pulls a gun or shoots but otherwise need to be manually activated. And a lot of the time the cop knows the camera and will plant evidence before pretending to “discover” it on tape.
And we’re not talking about some random stop here. If this were to be a cover up type thing, it’d be much more carefully done. I mean not finding this guy would both embarrass police to an extreme degree and also encourage other people to do this stuff.
Whatever you do, do not underestimate the fact that elites want police to keep them safe and if some random person has to take the fall so they can say they caught someone, that’s absolutely what they’ll do.
IIRC Baltimore got caught that way twice. I’m too lazy to google the other incident now though.
Social Media has been on his side up to this point and beat down fake news narrative.
The job ain’t done.
The US is too good at destroying people’s reputation, yeah. This guy is gonna get vilified hard (whether he did it or not).
Already people are at it coming up with reasons not to like this guy. Are we really expecting someone with perfect morals to suddenly come up with a plan to assissinate a CEO, execute it almost flawlessly and flee?
This guy doesn’t have to be my friend. I don’t really care if he admired right-wingers. Honestly almost everyone (including me) will have goofy stuff that you can bring up to discredit them. Are we not allowed to acknowledge the good that has happened since the shooting because this guy’s book review, a deranged college-age tweet, his preppy upbringing or whatever? We can’t acknowledge that authorizations have somehow gotten faster and denial rates plummeted? That a shitty restriction on anesthesiologist time was reversed? A national conversation was started on how strangely focused America media is on covering certain stories and aspect of that story compared to others? That for once the radical left and radical right could somehow agree on something?
These are the questions swirling through my head today. My hope is most people will see through the bullshit, and how to actually effect change quickly is to put real pressure on the top of the organization, preferably through non-violent means, in ways that truly remind them they are not immune from the damage they cause in search of ever-increasing profit.
lol exactly.
I can appreciate his contribution without endorsing his every single facet.The whole point here is that we are all people mostly decent with our own flaws.
We have more income than not… it is time to get over ourselves and start focusing on shit that matters like health, housing, and education.
I doubt we will get another moment like this, it is once in generation.
Dismantle the health insurance industry!
It seems to me that social media, through the implementation of posts, likes, up- & down- votes, boosts, re-tweets, and etc., has created an unconscious universal belief that everyone gets a say on what and who is right or wrong through public idolizing or shaming. Masses of people that hold much worse opinions on a daily basis criticize others for saying or doing something that is divergent and exposed. People in the public are held to an undefined standard of perfection. In practice, people assess if they like someone or not, then surgically find anything to support that conviction. Without a bond to the figure or personal consequences to the castigator, understanding and compassion are prevailed over by resentment and hypocritical airs of moral superiority. Public figures become the target of everyone’s unresolved unconscious personal social gripes.
You’re right, this is very destructive.
