Summary
Trump announced plans to end birthright citizenship via executive action, despite its constitutional basis in the 14th Amendment.
He also outlined a mass deportation policy, starting with undocumented immigrants who committed crimes and potentially expanding to mixed-status families, who could face deportation as a unit.
Trump said he wants to avoid family separations but left the decision to families.
While doubling down on immigration restrictions, Trump expressed willingness to work with Democrats to create protections for Dreamers under DACA, citing their long-standing integration into U.S. society.
I’m a bit conflicted in this, because Canada has similar issues with this but it’s more “birth tourism” where people from various other countries come here for a limited time - have a child who is entitled to citizenship and all the benefits - and then leave. That child spend decades never setting foot in the country, but still be eligible for a passport, voting rights, and many other such things despite having no significant ties to the country, and neither parent being a citizen
How is this an issue? How many people do you honestly go abroad explicitly to give birth there to gain the system?
Sounds like you fell for yet another outrage clickbait. If 100 people do this, whatever. I rather have this than someone being born in a country and lives there their entire life but has no right of nationality there because their parents weren’t there for 5 years prior to their birth or whatever the fuck the law says.
UK has no citizenship by birth type and it hurts way more people than could ever hope to abuse it.
I looked it up there were 3,575 non-citizen births in Canada in 2023.
I couldn’t find any numbers on how many were deliberate
That’s also not counting the # of people that try and fail.
Border services can turn back people who are pregnant and close to their end-date
So less than 1% of natural born Canadian citizens in 2023 were to non-citizen parents? Really send like it’s not that big of a deal at all
If someone uproots their life to go and live in a different country and contribute paying more taxes than average family with zero safety nets? They earned it.
People love to act like immigrants have it somehow easier… While they’re heavily discriminated at every step, pay extra for just about everything and come with less money moving in, no family house to fall back onto etc. The entitlement I’ve seen in my life disgusts me.
It’s “game the system” just so you know.
Ah yes, the “outrage clickbait” that is a known issue and has been the subject of numerous studies by government and reputable institutions both pre and post pandemic.
Guess we should send the border services agency a memo that it’s probably only a hundred people and they should remove it from the things they literally screen for, because some Internet genius is sure it’s nothing to worry about…
Deport them to where even mexico doesn’t want US Mexican Americans in their territory unless they get dual citizenship. He will need 2/3 votes of senate and the house to amend the US constitution. Orange man dumb asf!
Mexico said that if you are an American born of Mexican parents they’ll give you your Mexican citizenship.
He doesn’t need shit. Stop assuming the law matters anymore.
SURELY THIS TIME THE LAW WILL APPLY TO TRUMP!!1
This isn’t stupidity, this is inhumanity. They don’t care if other countries don’t want them once they have their concentration camps.
So is he going to stop renting his penthouses in Florida to Russians so they can have babies here to be US citizens? Or does his plan only affect brown people?
Russians will be granted amnesty because of their willingness to accept our deportations into their labor camps.
Just the browns.
This is libelous. The Russian penthouses are in NYC.
Anyone in the US who believes they have any sort of legal protection is just delusional. There only protection that exists there is through money.
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We’re going back to the “political spoils” system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system
This would be huge. Much like Europe, America’s population will decline. You need immigrants.
Immigrants are the heart and soul of this country. I can’t even imagine wanting to live in whatever milquetoast, boring-ass, white bread America that these idiots want.
They want it to look like 1950s propaganda, but work like feudalism.
I like immigration too. The right’s issue with immigration isn’t immigration itself.
They’ll have to sure it up with forced pregnancy next
It’s not gonna happen. It would open up challenges to constitutional amendments that he and his supporters care about.
He doesn’t care about the constitution. Like not even a little. He has said as much when he called for the termination of the constitution in 2022.
Plenty of his supporters care about the 2nd amendment. Trump is extremely thin-skinned when it comes to his popularity and self-preservation.
Don’t worry, the supreme kangaroo court will find a way
i wish everyone would get rid of the assumption that the constitution will protect you
“that’s unconstitutional!!!” doesn’t mean jack shit anymore
Every maga is downplaying his shit right now. “Not gonna happen” is what they all say.
They’ll deny it until it is happening and they feel safe to admit they believed him and wanted it to happen.
Yup. This exact shit has essentially destroyed my relationship with my parents. I can only ignore the repugnant politics for so long and up to a certain point before I have to reconsider if I want that hatred and bigotry in my life.
Yeah just like roe overturn didn’t happen 🙄
I’ve noticed many Americans also talk about those ‘unalienable rights’ like it’s some law of nature. They’re not unalienable. Having rights is not a given. Ask many groups of people throughout history. You only have rights as long as others respect them. Where are your unalienable rights when you’re grabbed off the street in a black van and taken somewhere without anyone knowing? When your fellow citizens / your government decides you shouldn’t have them anymore? If rights were unalienable, why are they dependent on borders?
Sometimes I think people feel too safe. Otherwise they wouldn’t accept others losing their rights so easily. They still think they won’t/can’t lose their own.
The constitution is more what you’d call “guidelines” than actual rules.
My 86-year old mother is house-bound but she is the daughter of two immigrants who came over in the 1910’s, so I guess she’s gonna be shipped off to another country. I have no idea if my brother and I, both in our 50’s would be subjected to deportation considering we haven’t lived with her in over 30 years.
Maybe the US shouldn’t have elected an out-and-out racist asshole.
Congrats, nearly everyone in the written history of america are immigrants. Anyone after the declaration ? Gone! Immigrants from first and second world war? Gone! Good old usa! ( /s incase its not obvious)
I’m the child of an immigrant and a native-born person. So does half of my citizenship get taken away?
Decide which half of you body gets to stay
The lower half. I might lose my penis, but I get to keep my brain.
Unless this is a vertical bisection of course. Then the left side because I’m left-handed.
Although I wouldn’t have my right brain hemisphere anymore… Now I’m confused.
Trump opted to deport his brain and he’s going to be a 2 time president. May want to keep the penis.
Who could have possibly seen this coming?
Deport to where…
When Republicans say deport 5% of the population what they mean is put them in camps until they die because there’s no way they could process all that paperwork
Even if they could process all that paperwork, those countries have to want those people back. You can’t just land a bunch of C-130s full of people in Guatemala City and dump them onto the tarmac. That’s not how anything works.
So even if somehow they knew where every single person in those camps is “supposed” to go, many of them would stay there indefinitely anyway. Until, I guess, they come up with a Final Solution for them.
And if they were born in America then there is no other country for them to go to
What I’m reading is that they want to deport Americans in “mixed status families”, and then go after them as criminals when they don’t just continue paying taxes and fulfilling the ridiculous reporting requirements as they try to resettle their life in a new home and the US demands that their new local residence actually be treated as foreign assets. Which is great for the rich, because it basically saturates the system in such a way that the focus is taken away from rich tax evaders and tax avoidance schemes as it is driven to deal with these new “criminals”.
Ending birthright citizenship would lead to a lot of relief from the people leaving the US who are seeking renunciation - except I have a feeling that greed and the aforementioned reasons are going to find a way to still make them have to seek it.
Not sure how he plans on deporting people who were born in the United States and have no citizenship anywhere else since not every country automatically gives it to people’s children born abroad.
They would effectively have no home country to deport them too.
He was already shocked Honduras(?) turned down his “offer” to send them deported people. I think it’s only a matter of time before they send a plane somewhere anyhow and get US flights promptly everywhere.
He doesn’t plan on shit. Even this Supreme Court would tell him to fuck off.
Given that the Supreme Court ruled that all official (who decides?) acts are legal, I have no faith in them.
They would effectively become stateless. And how they do what from there depends a lot on where they are forcefully relocated to. Assuming the majority will be forced into Mexico, Mexico has an established legal process for accepting refugees. Through the application process, if approved, you (and your family unit) would gain permanent residency. It’s not the same as citizenship, but you could stay there indefinitely and have mostly the same rights as Mexican citizens. You might run into issues with getting passports and traveling internationally, but at the least, you would be able to stay in Mexico. That depends on your refugee application being approved, and I’d imagine when the numbers cross over into the millions their established system would break down a bit and there would probably be very long delays during which you could be deported.
If it’s somewhere else, well, it varies widely. Most of the Caribbean islands have comparatively smaller populations and probably only handle migration on a small scale. It’s very hard to say how things would play out. Many would almost certainly be forced to illegally immigrate back into America.
That didn’t stop them from deporting people to Mexico in the 30s. A senator at the time estimated that 60% of those who were removed from the country were US Citizens
Even bigger question: what then?
Say you deport a citizen of Mexican origin to Mexico. Can’t they just, you know, go back? They’re citizens, with a passport/id.
The only alternative is to strip them (at least de facto) of their citizenship, which is literally a Hitler move (https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gesetz_über_den_Widerruf_von_Einbürgerungen_und_die_Aberkennung_der_deutschen_Staatsangehörigkeit, only a German source, unfortunately).
Happened to my grandfather. A Jew born in Germany who emigrated to England in the late 1920s. I have his naturalisation papers from when he became a citizen of the UK in 1936 and his nationality is listed as “stateless.”
You don’t even need to read the article. The title states quite clearly this is about citizenship not residence.
Yes they’ll have to revoke citizenship.
Which may be the end goal, use this as a wedge to convince their base that revoking citizenship may be justified in some cases.
Hello. Australian here. Just ask our sadistic government. We do it all the time. Hint: It involves putting people in camps.
Little camps for homework. Where you can concentrate.
Meaning they will stay in the concentration camps until Trump’s Final Solution is implemented.
A “Fine ol’ solution” as they say in Florida
I should invest in corrections, sounds like a goldmine
Slavery is much more economically viable than extermination. So, thank you capitalism, I think?
But you also have to keep slaves relatively healthy to maintain them working. If you slaves get too hungry, they can’t do whatever labor you make em do. If they get real sick, it’s going to affect your other slaves.
And human slaves usually don’t put their heads down and do it forever. A lot of the Nazi labor camps massacred their captives because they started uprisings.
There is nothing economically feasible with what they want. They just think they can do what they want and he even richer. Which is why you can look at the entirety of recorded human history for these same mistakes being repeated over and over again.
They also don’t seem to know or tend to forget that it only needs a relatively small percentage of the population to flat out resist for society to stop working. Only a few hundreds of thousands of protesters in East Germany brought the country to its knees and effectively ended the Cold War.
That’s easy, you just continue to expand the list “undesirables”.
You are missing out on a key component of their plan: concentration camps.
He has outright said that he plans on using the same law that was used to justify the internment of Japanese citizens during WW2.
Literal concentration camps are coming.
Things that aren’t possible, at least under current legal frameworks.
I know that laws are only as good as they’re enforced and all but barring wholesale collapse I find it hard to see Donny pulling that off.
It is absolutely possible under America’s legal framework. Mackenzie v Hare was the 1915 Supreme Court case, which ruled that a natural-born U.S. citizen woman could lose her citizenship by marrying a non-citizen man.
The holding functionally stood until 1967, when there was a case called Afroyim v. Rusk, where the court held that natural born citizens cannot be stripped of their citizenship involuntarily. But that was a 5-4 decision in the Warren Court, in many regards, the most liberal supreme court in history. A decision that barely won a majority in a court drastically more liberal than this one is what’s standing between today and a world where natural born citizens can have their citizenship deemed forfeit.
I’m cool with brain drain – if this actually happens a nice European country will happily open their doors to the educated (see Ireland, Spain already) and america will further collapse like it should.
I think there is a specific “class” of people they’re going to target.
It’s never going to stop surprising me when a politician says he’s going to do something, I tell people, and then he does it but so many people were still caught completely off guard. I imagine this is how many in the UK feel about Brexit.
I’m surprised that you’re surprised that they’re surprised.
I didn’t expect anyone to take it this far
Surprising, isn’t it?
For real Brexit was a stunning result. I just remember this post results interview with same randoms about it and one of the yes voters was like “yea I just through it was never going to happen and voted yes as a laugh.”
It’s unreal. Days after the election, people I work with were saying that Project 2025 was just propaganda and that he’s not actually going to do all the stuff he said he would do.
That’s my mother to a T. She defends all the batshit stuff he spews by saying it’s just a negotiating tactic to get to some “reasonable” compromise. Which may well be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that his opening bid is always something batshit insane and/or cruel, and that he would happily go through with it, if he were allowed to.
Start with musk or stfu
Or barron
Musk doesn’t have birthright citizenship. As much as we wish he’d just go away, I hope you’re not suggesting they should expand this program to strip naturalized citizens.
Will be funny if they have a falling out and Trump rage enforces this against him.
They will inevitably have a falling out because they are both nepo baby idiots who can’t maintain long term relationships aside from sycophants and bootlickers.
That would literally be the single funniest thing that has ever happened in the history of mankind.
He lied on his Visa papers and is literally an illegal immigrant.
He worked on a student visa after dropping school.
That’s illegal, so he shouldn’t have qualified for naturalization without correcting that and leaving the country before reapplying.
So you agree that he doesn’t have birthright status?
You’re barking up a tree that really doesn’t need it.
I feel like there should be a saying involving palm trees with this, as their bark is very different and they are actually closer to grasses than most trees.
Chop down a palm tree and count the rings to see how old it is, the answer is 0. They don’t make rings, much like a blade of grass. They are fn dinosaur grass basically. (They were around back then). It’s also part of how they can bend and not snap as easily during high winds.
She gets it
You understand the bark here is about a dog baying that they’ve treed an animal you’re hunting like a raccoon, but the raccoon isn’t in that tree, right?
Why would a raccoon chase a dog up a left tree? 🌴
Haha yeah, I get what the saying is about
Only thing naturalized about him is his bank account which is what has kept him off the icehouse list
first idea of his that i dont find completely stupid
You uh… okay with voiding parts of the Constitution with a vote in Congress? or Executive Order?
im not american, but if youre trying to justify a system where it is extremely difficult to change laws and rules that are outdated or no longer feasable, be my guest.
The entire reason they’re so hard to change is so they don’t get changed on a whim. If it’s in that document it’s because 3/4 of every elected representative in every state thought it was that important. Letting Congress change something like that with a simple majority or filibuster majority is ridiculous and means either party could completely re-write the basis of our laws at will just by changing that document. For example instead of trying to change and enforce every law about marriage and benefits they could simply pass a constitutional change to define marriage conservatively and let the courts go through striking down the now unconstitutional normal laws.
Making that document hard to change is one of the things America got right.
It’s only a core tenet of our country after all
as are guns. both are not necessarily beneficial
You have to have experience with a certain kind of person, in order to accept that they exist, in order to accept that weapons is the only way to deal with them, in order to get the second amendment.
It’s possible to think it through logically, but generally speaking people refuse to accept the existence of that kind of person, and refuse to let go of the idea that there may be some way to change the person’s intentions and choices without violence, so that neither party initiates violence.
The ultimate utility of weapons comes from that one kind of person, who just won’t pay heed to anything else. Until you’ve been forced to accept their existence in reality, the mind is just unwilling to entertain it.
what
TLDR: if you can’t conceive of a reason to need weapons it is because you have noy encountered a person for whom no other options exist to influencce their behavior.
that is some suggestive bs
Why shouldn’t someone born in a country get citizenship regardless of who their parents are?
Why is punishing a child for what their parents did not completely stupid?
That’s some apartheid-level shit.
why is this a punishment? do you realize that if you are born on a vacation of your parents, this prevents you from getting citizenship. is this logical to you?
do you realize that if you are born on a vacation of your parents, this prevents you from getting citizenship.
That is absolutely false.
