Summary
The fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson has drawn attention due to the phrase “deny, defend, depose” reportedly written on the shooter’s ammunition, echoing criticism of insurer practices like “delay, deny, defend.”
UnitedHealthcare, one of the largest U.S. health insurers, has faced scrutiny over claim denials and delays, including a Senate report highlighting issues with Medicare Advantage prior authorizations.
The killing has sparked public outrage and dark humor on social media, reflecting widespread frustration with health insurers, which many blame for rising healthcare costs and access barriers.
The fatal shooting of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson has drawn attention due to the phrase “deny, defend, depose” reportedly written on the shooter’s ammunition, echoing criticism of insurer practices like “delay, deny, defend.”
I’m guessing he didn’t consider the LIFO nature of a clip when loading, and “depose” is his answer to “delay, deny, defend”. So he put depose, defend, and deny into the CEO in that order
I think you’re right. I’m sure it was loaded with delay, deny, defend, depose.
Kinda ironic he didn’t have time to shoot “delay” when you think about it.
I hope they never catch him.
From what I am seeing on a few platforms, there may not be much help from the public.
It sure would be a shame if the 99% of New York state saw and heard nothing of interest about this guy.
Probably from out of state, not acting alone. He ran, got on a bike, probably to a waiting car to leave the city immediately. I heard he’s in Canada now.
What guy? The CEO was carrying the gun and tripped, shooting himself in the back. We all saw the video.
He tripped and fell on his knife. Six times.
I mean if Jan 6 was peaceful… yeah… we all saw it he tripped
He seems smart. He’s probably long gone by now.
So, he apparently wanted it read. So, it could either be a true motive or a setup to cover other reasons.
If they catch this guy he will never see trial. No way they’d risk him getting up on the stand, and even less likely they’d want to try their luck getting twelve people to convict. He’ll go down in a hail of gunfire or get Epstein’d
I hope they don’t catch him.
Chances are they find someone they can pass off as him and then take him out publicly enough that everyone just accepts that it must’ve been the guy.
Probably not the right call if this guy was planning to go vigilante and wasn’t just upset at a loss he had to endure specifically because of united.
No way they’d risk him getting up on the stand
Defendants don’t get up on the stand if they want any chance of a not guilt verdict.
and even less likely they’d want to try their luck getting twelve people to convict.
It’s not so unlikely. It ought to be, but it isn’t.
You think they’re willing to take the chance that the guy who assassinated a CEO with bullets with messages on them wouldn’t take the stand to deliver a monologue?
Yes. I think your perspective is through Hollywood-tinted glasses. When was the last time something like that happened in real life and actually had devastating effects on the ruling class?
That’ll create a martyr for sure.
They’ll just put some magic evidence on his web history.
“Sparked public outrage”
Only reference in article is a link to another story discussing outrage on social media in general. AP is pushing a capitalist agenda.
I personally haven’t seen any outrage. Just that dark humor.
I think you’re misreading this sentence: I think it’s clearly implying public outrage surrounding US health insurance, not about the killing itself. “The killing has sparked public outrage and dark humor on social media” pretty clearly implies to me that they mean the public outrage associated with the dark humor.
“Humor”
Haha. Yes. We all make funny jokes! We’re just joking right guys?
In Minecraft
The outrage was already sparked. That’s why he got shot.
The only outrage I’ve seen is directed towards mods on various platforms for locking community discussion about this incident.
I’ve seen plenty of outrage.
It’s just all targeted at the insurance companies.
Lol, “humor”? People seem downright giddy, and it’s not a joke at all.
My dad got fucked around by insurance until he spent the rest of his (probably shortened) life in a wheelchair. For profit insurance should be a crime, they’re all ghouls, fuck em all.
It’s literally the title of the book about their shitty tactics
Not literally, unless you mean figuratively literally.
https://www.amazon.com/Delay-Deny-Defend-Insurance-Companies/dp/1591843154 No they mean literally literally.
Lol that book seems to be sold out or pulled from most online book stores.
Don’t shop at Amazon. Use your local library. https://pdfupload.io/docs/0d380e9b
I’m not planning on buying the book.
I certainly hope not; he just gave you the book for free.
Yes, but “deny, defend, depose” was on the casings.
Deny that you know or even saw them. Defend them if they do get caught, through protest, fundraising, bail, etc. Depose those who put them in jail if they are sentenced.
They’re similar to the phrase “delay, deny, defend” — the way some attorneys describe how insurers deny services and payment
I believe they were talking about this part of the article.
dont i have something better to do that correct you? book exists
The pigs hunting this soldier need to take note. There’s a lot of angry, sick, and wronged people in the world, that these rich fucks are doing the evils to. We execute a CEO in broad daylight and within days another insurer planned to limit anesthesia. The board of directors will be getting executed next, the pigs need to get their heads out of their asses and realize who’s side their on. They are currently standing where the enemy of the people stands. It’s a dangerous place, and we are hungry.
Unless you’re the guy who pulled the trigger or helped him in some way, stop saying “we” while sitting safely behind your keyboard
They backed down on the anesthesia thing. They got scared.
Give them a month. They will put it back.
They absolutely will, as soon as the media spotlight is off them. Or, they’ll come up with an alternative cut to the health plans that’s even more cruel and profitable. It is what the system demands.
ONLY IN CONNECT… They backed off of the anesthesia only in Connecticut.
Which is where 99% of their membership seeks care, and now will not have this issue.
But yeah this sucks for the anesthesiologists at say, Mass General when someone from CT comes up to Boston for something complicated.
This is what is happening now that they can no longer squeeze groups or individuals for more cost share, for more premiums. No one can afford it. Then they try to get creative cutting services.
Was he using an Aperture Science designed gun, or did AP just use a stock photo for the article?
He was using a suppressor that looks like it wasn’t installed correctly and the gun jammed multiple times. Clearing those jams resulted in several unfired rounds being ejected onto the ground.
Just screwing a can onto a threaded barrel on a tilt-barrel automatic can keep the gun from cycling properly. You often need to have a special adapter between the barrel and the supressor for it to operate.
Some talking head said he thought it might be a Station Six-9
Oh wow. I’ve never handled a suppressor myself, thought you just spun it onto a threaded barrel.
You can usually get them installed in such a way. When I took my concealed weapons class in Florida years ago they handed us an old browning with a silencer like you speak of. They wanted to make sure everyone had at least fired a gun before giving them clearance to get a permit to hide one and carry it around in public with you everywhere. (Which you are not actually required to have ever fired a weapon before to acquire). At the time that one evening class I took would permit someone to carry concealed in 37 states… That’s how lax our gun laws are.
Suppressors have much stricter requirements in most states though. Although many people including the truck I drove behind earlier today seem to think those laws should be more lax.
You can get away with that on guns without tilting barrels or moving slides most of the time. But between the weight of the supressor and possible interference with moving parts it can be an issue with something like a Glock.
the phrase “deny, defend, depose” reportedly written on the shooter’s ammunition
This is likely in reference to a book that is highly critical of the medical insurance field called “Delay, Deny Defend”. Except here, the shooter actually did depose the CEO for his company’s actions.
“But guys, he could have had some other motive! We just dOn’T kNoW!!!1!one!!!”
So, about that.
We don’t know what words were written on all the ammo he didn’t fire, so maybe it was sheer coincidence.
Just reach into the old grab-bag of engraved bullets I keep for just the occasion.
Motive roulette
If he was shtupping your wife, what better way to direct suspicion away from you than to play into the angle that would give every American not on the Forbes list a motive?
Yep, I was previously in the “probably someone wronged by United but can’t be 100% sure” camp, but now there’s no way it could be interpreted as anything else. Someone sought justice and got it.
“Sparked public outrage” Where? The CEO’s of America headquarters? I’ve literally only seen elation & humorous remarks.
I think it’s been public outrage about health insurers tbh
Oh yeah that’s fair
“If there is any person in the town, who feels emotion caused by this man’s death,” said Scrooge quite agonised, “show that person to me, Spirit, I beseech you.”
Honestly the best calling card I’ve seen in a while. I can see this being a motto among the resistance.
Interestingly, NYT doesn’t mention the word “depose” in any of their articles on the matter.
I thought you had to be wrong but I just checked and you’re right. They all mention “‘delay’, ‘deny’, and other words”. The only article published by The NY Times that included “depose” on the casings was in an opinion piece by Zaynep Tufekci published today that referenced the AP News articles.
Then came the reports that bullet casings bearing the words “delay,” “deny” and “depose” were found at the scene. “Delay” and “deny” clearly echo tactics insurers use to avoid paying claims. “Depose”? Well, that’s the sudden, forceful removal from a high position. Ah.
Thanks for checking. I really thought I had to be wrong too. :/
It’s almost like these folks are the real “enemy from within” (Trump’s words, not mine) the whole time.
Always have been 🧑🚀🔫
The killing has sparked public outrage
Huh… Must be on some social media for CEOs by CEOs or something because I haven’t seen any outrage. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Reading the article, it’s either a poor choice of words on the part of the AP journalist, or a deliberate choice of words to muddy the situation when this inevitably gets compressed into a short reference memory as the news cycle moves on.
What’s described is very much the outrage expressed against insurance practices re: medical care, part of the celebration of this guy’s death.
