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Summary
U.S. Muslim leaders who backed Trump to protest Biden’s support for Israel’s war in Gaza and Lebanon feel betrayed by Trump’s Cabinet picks.
Trump named staunch pro-Israel figures, including Marco Rubio as Secretary of State, Mike Huckabee as Israel ambassador, and Elise Stefanik as UN ambassador, sparking discontent.
Muslim voters hoped for peace-oriented leaders, but critics say the administration reflects “Zionist overdrive” and “neoconservative” priorities.
While some leaders feel “played,” others believe Trump’s peace promises remain valid despite concerns over his appointments. Trump’s campaign has not commented.
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This just in: Those who fucked around, found out. More at 11.
These goddamned fucking idiots. This stupid country deserves every comeuppance it gets from this clown administration.
I don’t believe for one second that these “muslim leaders” care one iota about Palestine or Gaza. They care about the money Orange promised them. This is just posturing and fake outrage to cover their ass.
What money?
Trump’s peace promises…
You can’t have conflict if only one side survives…
I’d like to think Trump & Co don’t think that way.
I’d like to.
How much longer can the leopards keep eating faces?
Millions of people voted for Trump. The leopards have to wait around for the faces they’ve already eaten to digest. They’re feeling bloated already and they’re getting fatter and slower.
I heard leopards are getting obese on eating so many faces
As long as they want because there will always be stupid people who believe them.
This should be in !nottheonion@lemmy.world.
Maybe !leopardsatemyface@lemmy.world is better
Lol
Ain’t nobody hate Muslims more than Muslims.
If only there was any way to have seen this coming based on literally every single thing he’s said and done over the last decade!
And good luck protesting with Noem heading DHS along with SCOTUS’s ruling.
It’s so sad, but pointing this out as an obvious consequence would have been bullying. of course, and immediately shot down as such.
It’s insane, honestly. An old coworker of mine who I sometimes stay in touch with is Muslim, and a Trump supporter. I’ve tried to figure out why, since Trump has never shown any meaningful support of Muslims, and all he could say is that the economy was good under Trump. Like… was having gas be $0.08 cheaper really worth having your actual family banned from entering the country? Not only was he already living paycheck-to-paycheck under Trump and still under Biden, but he was literally directly affected by Trump’s Muslim ban. I don’t know how you justify that with yourself.
It’s simple. Kamala said it’s ok to be gay.
Jup. I saw interviews with muslim Trump voters saying exactly that.
“don’t tell Muslims what to do” is what I would get every time I’d point out that Trump will do far worse.
Don’t you know that pointing out the obvious consequences of electing trump before the election was actually supporting genocide?
I was called a racist for having the gall to criticize the Muslim movement to not vote Harris.
Me calling white christians stupid for voting for Trump because it actually hurts them is OK. But calling Muslims stupid for voting 3rd party or abstaining because it actually hurts them is racist.
“It’s like he’s going on Zionist overdrive,” said Nazarko, adding, “it does look like our community has been played.”
You literally played yourself. No help from Trump. I can’t think of a single goddamn thing he’s said that was even vaguely pro-Palestine. Jesus Christ.
I have utmost dislike in saying this, but: “ha, suckers”
No ‘ha’ here from me. It’s just sad. And infuriating.
Fair point
I actually think it was Russia pushing a lot of this again. It’s exactly what they did to us Bernie supporters the last time we got the trump
This is what I’ve been saying all along. The Abandon Harris movement was orchestrated to disillusion voters and make them stay home. Just like what happened with Bernie bros.
The logic of it was completely flawed. And every argument about how strategic voting is important under first-past-the-post, and how Trump would certainly be a worse choice on the subject of Israeli genocide, was met with “maybe you can support genocide, but I can’t.” Which didn’t address the issue at hand at all.
Our country is full of rubes of all shapes, sizes, and colors. Some fall for Trump’s rhetoric and vote for him, others fall for shit like this and don’t vote.
I think we should really stop blaming Russian propaganda and focus on blaming ourselves. There’s too large a portion of the US population who lap up easily refuted news and opinions. Russia didn’t make Americans stupid we did. Russia didn’t divide America, its been divided since its creation.
I think there is plenty of blame to go around. In fact, I think the problem since the election has been that people refuse to admit that. As if there has to be one single entity you can point your finger at to blame everything on.
And certainly don’t consider yourself culpable in any way, shape or form.
I mean I consider myself culpable and I voted for Harris. But I also didn’t do anything to convince any of my neighbors to do it. I never phone banked or anything.
And yet somehow the “don’t vote for Harris because genocide” people think they have absolutely nothing to do with people not voting for Harris and it’s certainly not their fault in any way that she lost.
There is always a bunch of relevant factors in the outcome of a national election. It’s the job of the candidate to overcome those hurdles. Of they don’t, then they were the wrong candidate. It’s not about blame, it’s about how we do better next time.
I’d much prefer that Harris won, but it does warm my heart a bit that the Democratic establishment got fucked for their manipulation of the 2020 primary and subsequent forcing of a Harris run. If we are talking blame, then that’s where it belongs. Fuck the Clintons, Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Schumer, and the rest of the DNC corporate lineup.
What next time?
All of you people who have been saying that the Democrats need to learn their lesson for next time need to come to terms with the fact that come January, you will be living in a fascist dictatorship.
Until the next election is cancelled, I will be working under the assumption that it will happen. Fuck that defeatist crap.
Have fun with that. I won’t be with you to wait and see if that happens. There’s a reason that there’s almost no one on the German side of my family tree.
They didn’t think the leopard would eat THEIR face.
Deep down, I knew something was off about that face-eating leopard I adopted.
Heh. They sure will be greatly astonished once the first US troops ship to Israel. It’s OK, because Israel is not in the NATO.
Idiots.
Sure seems weird that this level of glee over predictable bad things happening seem hyperfocused on the racial out group with the best reason to vote emotionally.
seem hyperfocused
My dude my feed is literally just leopards eating faces right now. It will continue to be for the next four years. Trump’s presidency only benefits the worst of our society, it will just take some voters longer to feel the pain than others
In my feed this story has shown up multiple times (more than any other group), each with a cavalcade of engagement, and “haha, more genocide” statements show up on every story about Palestine. They’re the group with the best excuse for “well that was dumb, but I get it” (their families are literally being killed by American weapons), but despite being marginalized as small and unimportant for months are now being covered as the post facto cause of failure, without anyone even recognizing that this was being predicted by Democratic party members well in advance as the obvious result of just trying to ignore the genocide.
In my feed this story has shown up multiple times (more than any other group), each with a cavalcade of engagement, and “haha, more genocide” statements show up on every story about Palestine.
Well that certainly isn’t happening on Lemmy, so maybe you should stay out of such a toxic environment. It’s Twitter, isn’t it?
Can you please link to and quote one of two of the people you think are laughing about more genocide?
That’s what I did. Here’s two in easy form:
Topic: “Israeli drones shooting children in Gaza deliberately ‘day after day’, UK surgeon tells MPs”:
You know what would help this situation? Letting a fascist become President of the United States. Again.
Topic: “Continuing ‘Ethnic Cleansing’ Campaign, Israel Blows Past US Deadline for Gaza Aid”
Don’t worry, just like how it was only fair that Ukraine and American minorities get genocided if Gaza was going to get genocided, abstaining voters have likewise decided it’s only fair for the West Bank to suffer genocide if Gaza is going to suffer genocide.
Current genocide happening, but let’s instead talk about how it’s somehow going to be worse in January because the real importance is the election.
Neither of those people are laughing about more genocide. In any way. You do know the difference between laughing about something and cynicism, right? Because those are both the latter.
but despite being marginalized as small and unimportant for months are now being covered as the post facto cause of failure,
Where are they blamed for the failure of the campaign here, again?
without anyone even recognizing that this was being predicted by Democratic party members well in advance as the obvious result of just trying to ignore the genocide.
The obvious result was that a not-insignificant part of the country is stupid enough to vote for ‘more genocide’ instead of less?
The whole premise of this being a news story, and a story that receives reliable engagement and gets injected into every story about Lebanon and Palestine is that these votes of these people have meaningfully caused the problems we’re all going to experience. A similar amount of ink is not being spread about any other group, and certainly not about all the mundane white assholes who have been voting for the people who harm their communities year after year.
And be honest, we’re looking at like 5% more genocide than Biden. We aren’t exactly going from Gandhi to Hitler on this issue. The Harris opportunity was always a secret hope that she was better than what she was willing to say. And like, a hope is better than none at all, but if she just followed what she said and didn’t change anything, none of us would be seriously asking ourselves how we could have missed the signs.
The whole premise of this being a news story, and a story that receives reliable engagement and gets injected into every story about Lebanon and Palestine is that these votes of these people have meaningfully caused the problems we’re all going to experience.
That’s a lot of reading in to a common post-election story of buyer’s remorse that’s all over the place, about multiple demographics, right now.
And be honest, we’re looking at like 5% more genocide than Biden.
Lord.
Junkies’ll do some crazy shit for some o’ that sweet, sweet righteous indignation…
And be honest, we’re looking at like 5% more genocide than Biden.
Let’s say that’s true. I don’t believe it’s true, but let’s say it is… that’s worse, right? Would you go to Palestine and tell people there “only 5% more of you will die now that Trump has been elected, so it’s about the same as before?”
What a crazy bit of hand waving away a huge problem of your own admission.
I’m not counting bodies, I’m saying the relative dedication to genocide is not significantly different in impact. The material difference from Biden is literally just the 2000 lb. bombs, with an unquantifiable and unreliable hope that Democrats would snap out of it and start doing better. Hope meant it was worth trying for, because a change could be a big deal, but very likely the real difference in death come January 20th is going to be minimal compared to the death that Biden has already overseen and allowed.
I’m not counting bodies, I’m saying the relative dedication to genocide is not significantly different in impact.
That’s literally counting bodies. Even if your 5% figure is right, that’s a difference in thousands of deaths.
Again, would you say such a thing to someone in Gaza? That thousands more dead than there would have been otherwise is not significantly different in impact? Would you say it to a parent who’s child was amongst those thousands?
There are over a million Gazans still alive. That is a very large number of people barely hanging on from starvation that can still be mercilessly wiped out. You really sure about that 5% figure?
I’m more disturbed by the fact that they think that 5% figure is irrelevant. Even if they’re right, that’s 5% more innocent people. That’s literally thousands of people.
Biden literally isn’t stopping the starvation tactic now. There was a red line, they crossed it, and he said “nevermind”. So what exactly is going to be different under Trump? From another story, Trump is going to release the 2000 lb. bomb shipments. It’s literally the only thing Biden has denied them. I’d estimate 5% is the difference is between killing people with starvation, disease, and 500 lb. bombs and starvation, disease, and 2000 lb. bombs.
I hope I’m wrong, but I expect the difference being going from a small handful of aid trucks a day to zero aid trucks a day. That would be a big difference to the people of Gaza.
Then maybe they should have listened when they were told that this was the exact literal consequence of voting emotionally.
And people in the community were warning for months that this was the consequence of refusing to denounce genocide. But somehow you only want to blame the racial and religious out group who can’t even be credibly blamed for losing the election. You guys were claiming for months they weren’t important and should be ignored, and now that the election is over and the thing Democratic leaders were warning of happened, suddenly it’s all their fault?
I personally agreed with undecided in principle and was sympathetic that Harris largely ignored them. The problem is that trying to leverage their position for actual good policy outcomes made for this nasty prisoner’s dilemna situation where both parties chose the bad option.
I honestly thought that they’d eventually come around because of just how bad Trump was going to be for democracy, and moreover for the people they cared about. Sadly, they were so devoted to their game of chicken that some of their loved ones will pay for it.
I also don’t think it’s that callous to engage in a little bit of “I fucking told you so.”
Most people I saw here were just trying to achieve the most favourable outcome, given the reality at the time.
I honestly thought that they’d eventually come around because of just how bad Trump was going to be for democracy, and moreover for the people they cared about. Sadly, they were so devoted to their game of chicken that some of their loved ones will pay for it.
The problem in this is that you can substitute either the Harris campaign or the Muslim voters for “they”, and far too few people are applying it to the people with power. It seems inconceivable to these people that politicians actually need to address the concerns of the people they want to vote for them. They’re like some sort of unknowable force without agency or responsibility. It’s always the little guy’s fault for not coming around to the whims of the politician.
What makes it all worse is that on one side you have a population with good reason to be acting emotionally and the other you have someone just making a calculation that they just didn’t think they were worth it. Everyone shares blame for this result, but I get acting emotionally when you’re being ignored by power while they send weapons to kill your families. I don’t have any grace for sociopathic Democrats who would rather chase Republicans than take a moral stance for a constituency that voted for them in the past.
The problem in this is that you can substitute either the Harris campaign or the Muslim voters for “they”
Lol! You’re absolutely right. From my point of view, though, the democratic party is so fully captured and out of touch with actual issues that they’re beyond being reasoned with, so it should almost go without saying who I’m referring to. And yes, I acknowledge how completely fucked that is.
They’ve created this absolutely monstrous situation where we always have to choose between letting people we care about get hurt, or a tiny glimmer of hope of something better, and even though I pushed to avoid the former, I’m fully sympathetic to both sides.
And people in the community were warning for months that this was the consequence of refusing to denounce genocide
And they were told, repeatedly, that Trump would be worse. Guess what happens now?
But somehow you only want to blame the racial and religious out group who can’t even be credibly blamed for losing the election.
Trump improved his margin across nearly every single demographic, so there’s plenty of blame to go around. But in a comment thread about Muslim voters feeling buyer’s remorse, I’m not going to talk about the white men who get fed shit from the manosphere podcast space, or the ghost of Phyllis Schlafly infecting women across this country to vote for the party that wants to take their rights away, or that when Trump was talking about Latino immigrants he was talking about them and not those other immigrants. It’s called “context.”
You guys were claiming for months they weren’t important and should be ignored
Nope, didn’t say that. I said that when your choice is token lip service about maybe stopping Palestinian genocide, and making the genocide worse, that you should vote for the former, because otherwise you’ll get the latter. Which is what happened. Congratulations, you told the Dems you weren’t going to vote for them, and now are surprised they ignored what you wanted.
Congratulations, you told the Dems you weren’t going to vote for them, and now are surprised they ignored what you wanted.
This is such a completely broken and backward way to think about politics, but even so, the entire time representatives from that community (Democrats trying to get Harris elected) were trying to get them to do anything to head this off. At no point was there a “well, we’re just never going to vote for you so look elsewhere”, but that didn’t stop the campaign for prioritizing literal Republicans over previously Democratic constituencies with unsurprisingly bad results.
And I am a non-Muslim Harris voter, but this liberal tendency to blame minorities for the failures of existing power structures cannot be suppressed.
So they should’ve listened to Bill Clinton instead, why went to Dearborn and essentially said Israel can do whatever they want to their faces? There were no good options to vote for.
My dude, nobody said there was a good option. The choice was a bad option, and a much worse option. Bill Clinton doesn’t matter since he has nothing to do with the government. Harris at least paid lip-service to stopping Israel; Trump said he wants Bibi to “finish the job.”
And the kicker is, one of those two choices was going to win and if you don’t vote for the bad option, the much worse option wins by default.
Unfortunately, this whole election can be summed up as: everyone not named Trump voted against their best interests.
When it comes to this issue, you can’t really say that Trump is that much worse. Either way Gaza and the West Bank were heading to oblivion. Rhetoric aside, there is no evidence that Harris would have ever stood up to Israel in any meaningful way.
When it comes to this issue, you can’t really say that Trump is that much worse.
Oh my sweet summer child… It can always be worse.
I didn’t think Bill Clinton could run for a third term.
He was a campaign surrogate.
And he’s also a human being with his own opinions.
Maybe they should have listened to the woman running for president instead. I’m not sure why that idea didn’t occur to you.
If the campaign didn’t want Bill Clinton there, he wouldn’t have gone. This was their campaign strategy, along with hanging out with Cheney.
The Democrats ran an awful campaign again, and they need to stop blaming the voters for reacting negatively to this.
You asked who they should have listened to. I told you the person they should have listened to. The person actually running for office.
I have no idea why you think they should have not paid attention to what the person running for office said and just took for granted what her surrogate said agreed with what she said. That’s a pretty ignorant thing to do, not take a few moments to check and see what her actual beliefs on this are and if they’re being represented accurately.
So I guess we’ll put you down on the “pro-ignorance” list. I guess that’s why you seem to be okay with Trump winning.
