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  • Partially true and I know it but I don’t give a F anymore now the world has a government that’ll only speed up ecological demise. I feel veganism (or at least reducturianism) is a (albeit very small) chance to slow that down. Thanks for giving me the forum to spew my propaganda.

    Partly true because you wrote the system is conserving resources where it really doesn’t. Most of the energy is transformed into non-conserving but destructive forces: GHGs, manure run-off, pollution. A whole lot of energy is used to grow the miserable animal and only a fraction of it is coming out in form of quickly perishable food.

    I addressed the 2/3 crop calorie argument already in my previous post. That’s not what the original video was addressing. It was addressing the amount of crops (therefore land use, therefore number of rodents dieing on harvest). Again your paper states we could ramp up the production of calories from plants and just for humans and could feed some billion more people.



  • Animal ag is fucking up the planet. Deforastation, killing wild-life, pollution, GHGs, destruction of soils via plant mono cultures and water via run offs causing eutrophication and dead-zones, pandemics, eviction of indigenics. Not to speak of the constant suffering. It conserves nothing.

    The study you posted states a logical conclusion in the sense of the self preservation our livelihood. See the last quote in my last post.

    I understand that peoples jobs depend on it, that 2% vegans aren’t making a big impact and that rich as fuck capitalist pricks can accumulate billions and exploit low-wage workers and even immigrant children because of it.

    You’re free to call it misinfo or propaganda but it’s the stuff I researched for 3 years I’m vegan now. Feel free to abstain from answering if you only want to beat a vegan. I probably won’t engage anyway bc it was all I have to say about it.


  • Nope. I’m not shifting anything. You were by changing the subject from crops to crop calories without taking into account humans can grow calorie dense foods on relatively small space opposed to animal feed which needs a lot crops, land and produces a lot of plant waste and in addition is inefficient because only a fraction of calories come out of the slaughtered being compared to the initial calories in plants.

    All that while we cull millions of feeling beings in the worst possible way right now because of H5N1 (add that to the polycrisis) waste enormous amounts of resources for little protein and calories and destroy nature.

    Here have a look at some frail vegans, while the world burns, mate:

    💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪 💪


  • The paper is from 2013. The number of animals in factory farming were ramped up since then.

    Then: She says crops not crop calories.

    “From the 41 crops analyzed in this study, 9.46 × 1015 calories available in plant form are produced by crops globally, of which 55% directly feed humans. However, 36% of these produced calories go to animal feed, of which 89% is lost, such that only 4% of crop-produced calories are available to humans in the form of animal products. Another 9% of crop-produced calories are used for industrial uses and biofuels[…]”

    55% + 9% = 64% = 2/3

    So you’re correct with the 2/3 crop calories(!) if we count the 9% biofuel/industrial stuff with it.

    But why is the following?

    “According to a 2011 analysis, 75% of all agricultural land (including crop and pasture land) is dedicated to animal production.”

    I’d suppose it’s because of this reasons: A. Pastures need a lot of space which for which often woods or rainforest are burned and biomes are destroyed. B. Probably the most eaten vegetable (potatoe) is very energy dense and has a lot less waste by-product and therefore needs a lot less space than animal feed like soy, wheat or corn.

    This is everything I need to know from your paper to say that the system of animal agriculture is fucked, wasteful and destroys nature and our health (not only because of the pandemics it causes):

    “Put another way, shifting the crops used for feed and other uses towards direct human food consumption could increase calories in the food system by 3.89 × 1015 calories, from 5.57 × 1015 to 9.46 × 1015 calories, or a ∼70% increase. A quadrillion (1 × 1015) food calories is enough to feed just over 1 billion people a 2700 calories per day diet for a year (which is 985 500 calories per year) [1]. Therefore, shifting the crop calories used for feed and other uses to direct human consumption could potentially feed an additional ∼4 billion people.”

    Pastures can be regenerated, btw: https://www.reddit.com/r/farming/comments/1ds3fvh/how_to_turn_pasture_into_a_garden/

    Edit: The latter is what the “Vegan Land Movement” is doing very successfully by rewilding pastures to wild lands again where a wide variety of wild life is finding a refugium now.




  • I just (I mean an hour ago) gave up on learning japanese via Duo Lingo. On and off for years but didn’t make considerable progress. I know about 20 hiragana symbols and a bit of vocabulary but I think I won’t ever grasp order of words or how they communicate without plurals or genders. It’s so different from germanic languages. I love the japanese culture but I just don’t have the time anymore.

    I instead started spanish. After a few lessons Duo Lingo rated me as a super learner. Don’t know if it’s because they want to sell me a subscription but I really flew through the lessons (even when I had to type out the sentences). I’ll stay with it and will add dutch soon.



  • I just yesterday tried Wayland under Arch with a 1070 after a long time. Single WQHD monitor though. Although X11 is really performant, Wayland was more smooth regarding KDE desktop effects. Witcher 3 (via Heroic) showed fewer microstutters and I will try some more proton games and other applications over the weekend.

    I recently had to downgrade nvidia drivers from 560 to 550 because wakeup from sleep and hibernate would coredump. I read that this is fixed with 560 but only under Wayland. The developers definitely progressed on the nvidia front.



  • Fishing industry is evil and sucks big times. They just dump their gear (e.g. nets and longlines) in the open water and it’s a bane for turtles, sharks, whales, sea birds, seals etc. It’s not an accident. The gear seems to be deliberately dumped as the expensive stuff is removed. Read this article if you want to know why they do it. In addition those trawler/fish factory vessels are often part of ghost fleets where 75% of them kill every living being within a miles long radius for weeks on end without any controlling instance.

    If you’re now under the assumption that it would be better to buy fish from fish farms. It also sucks tremendously. At least when farmed in open pen sea cages out of multiple reasons:

    • Pesticides and Antibiotics are released into the sea
    • Viruses and parasites escape into the sea
    • Salmons escape and alter natural biodiversity
    • Excess food and waste lead to oxygen deprivation in the surrounding waters (dead zones)

    https://www.worldwildlife.org/industries/farmed-salmon

    In addition (and I don’t know why WWF isn’t calling it out): Whales are essentially hunted because of farmed fish. That’s my own conclusion. They don’t openly admit it but because whales need tons of krill they are a direct competition to the omega-3 supplement market and feed for salmon farms. The culprits are Norway (they are real eco terrorists if you look behind their green facade at home), Ruzzia, Japan & Scottland. Not only whales but also penguins and seals depend on krill. And those animals are already suffering from H5N1 (with animal agriculture being the culprit again).

    What the greedy bastards don’t get is, when they kill off the whales, they kill off the krill too. As so often humans disturb eco systems developed over millions of years. In this case it’s the poop loop.

    The intention of my wall of text is to move the people who have a modicum of interest left to save the oceans to consider to ditch any fish caught in the oceans or bred on salmon farms (btw they are feeding them chicken bones too). Humans need Omega 3 DHA & EPA fatty acids. You can easily get those via algae capsules. That’s where fish get theirs from essentially.

    Only we the consumers have the power to break the vicious circle but we’re to uneducated and complacent. As long as there’s a market they’ll ruthlessly plunder the ecosystems till nothing is left. Some say we’re already nearing that moment with parts of the oceans.






  • I’m not sure if I understood your deduction. The literal translation of “Zange” would be “tongs”, “pliers” or “pincer”. Hinges are the things that make doors swing and hold to a wall right?

    Multiple source say the origin of the word isn’t documented but the best explanation they come up with is that pliers can be used to bend something into a different form.

    My guess was it has its origin in the proverb “Das würde ich nicht mal mit der Kneifzange anfassen” which translates to “I wouldn’t even touch that with pliers” as in stuff you detest that much that you rather would stay away from it.