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      I’ve been hearing about the imminent crash for the last two years. New money keeps getting injected into the system. The bubble can’t deflate while both the public and private sector have an unlimited lung capacity to keep puffing into it. FFS, bitcoin is on a tear right now, just because Trump won the election.

      This bullshit isn’t going away. Its only going to get forced down our throats harder and harder, until we swallow or choke on it.

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        With the right level of Government support, bubbles can seemingly go on for literal decades. Case in point, Australian housing since the late 90s has been on an uninterrupted tear (yes, even in ‘08 and ‘20).

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    Well classic computers will always limited and power hungry. Quantum computer is the key to AI achieving next level

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    Marcus is right, incremental improvements in AIs like ChatGPT will not lead to AGI and were never on that course to begin with. What LLMs do is fundamentally not “intelligence”, they just imitate human response based on existing human-generated content. This can produce usable results, but not because the LLM has any understanding of the question. Since the current AI surge is based almost entirely on LLMs, the delusion that the industry will soon achieve AGI is doomed to fall apart - but not until a lot of smart speculators have gotten in and out and made a pile of money.

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    I believe this about as much as I believed the “We’re about to experience the AI singularity” morons.

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    Thank fuck. Can we have cheaper graphics cards again please?

    I’m sure a RTX 4090 is very impressive, but it’s not £1800 impressive.

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          I used to buy broken video cards on ebay for ~$25-50. The ones that run, but shut off have clogged heat sinks. No tools or parts required. Just blow out the dust. Obviously more risky, but sometimes you can hit gold.

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          I used to get EVGA bstock which was reasonable but they got out of the business 😞

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      nope, if normal gamers are already willing to pay that price, no reason for nvidia to reduce them.

      There’s more 4090 on steam than any AMD dedicated GPU, there’s no competition

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        I just don’t get whey they’re so desperate to cripple the low end cards.

        Like I’m sure the low RAM and speed is fine at 1080p, but my brother in Christ it is 2024. 4K displays have been standard for a decade. I’m not sure when PC gamers went from “behold thine might from thou potato boxes” to “I guess I’ll play at 1080p with upscaling if I can have a nice reflection”.

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          4k displays are not at all standard and certainly not for a decade. 1440p is. And it hasn’t been that long since the market share of 1440p overtook that of 1080p according to the Steam Hardware survey IIRC.

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            Maybe not monitors, but certainly they are standard for TVs (which are now just monitors with Android TV and a tuner built in).

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          I think it’s just an upselling strategy, although I agree I don’t think it makes much sense. Budget gamers really should look to AMD these days, but unfortunately Nvidia’s brand power is ridiculous.

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            An the issue for PC gamers is that Nvidia has spent the last few years convincing devs to shovel DLSS into everything, rather than a generic upscaling solution that other vendors could just drop their own algorithms into, meaning there’s a ton of games that won’t upscale nicely on anything else.

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    Sigh I hope LLMs get dropped from the AI bandwagon because I do think they have some really cool use cases and love just running my little local models. Cut government spending like a madman, write the next great American novel, or eliminate actual jobs are not those use cases.

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    Seems to me the rationale is flawed. Even if it isn’t strong or general AI, LLM based AI has found a lot of uses. I also don’t recognize the claimed ignorance among people working with it, about the limitations of current AI models.

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      while you may be right, one would think that the problem lies in the overestimated peception of the abilities of llms leading to misplaced investor confidence – which in turn leads to a bubble ready to burst.

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        Yup. Investors have convinced themselves that this time AI development is going to grow exponentially. The breathless fantasies they’ve concocted for themselves require it. They’re going to be disappointed.

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      Can you name some of those uses that you see lasting in the long term or even the medium term? Because while it has been used for a lot of things it seems to be pretty bad at the overwhelming majority of them.

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        AI is already VERY successful in some areas, when you use editing of photos on your phone, the more sophisticated options are powered by AI. Almost all new cars have AI features.
        But it’s completely irrelevant if I can see use cases that are sustainable or not. The fact is that major tech companies are investing billions in this.
        Of course all the biggest tech companies could all be wrong, but I bet they researched the issue more than me before investing.
        Show me by what logic you believe to know better.

        The claim that it needs to be stron AI to be useful is ridiculous.

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          The fact is that major tech companies are investing billions in this.

          They have literally invested billions in every single hype cycle of the last few decades that turned out to be a pile of crap in hindsight. This is a bad argument.

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            And which are those? There is no technology all major tech companies have invested in like AI AFAIK.
            Maybe the dot com wave way back, but are you arguing the Internet came to nothing?

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    largely based on the notion that LLMs will, with continued scaling, become artificial general intelligence

    Who said that LLMs were going to become AGI? LLMs as part of an AGI system makes sense but not LLMs alone becoming AGI. Only articles and blog posts from people who didn’t understand the technology were making those claims. Which helped feed the hype.

    I 100% agree that we’re going to see an AI market correction. It’s going to take a lot of hard human work to achieve the real value of LLMs. The hype is distracting from the real valuable and interesting work.

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      Journalists have no clue what AI even is. Nearly every article about AI is written by somebody who couldn’t tell you the difference between an LLM and an AGI, and should be dismissed as spam.

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        Do you have a non paywalled link? And is that quote in relation to LLMs specifically or AI generally?

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      I read a lot I guess, and I didn’t understand why they think like this. From what I see, are constant improvements in MANY areas! Language models are getting faster and more efficient. Code is getting better across the board as people use it to improve their own, contributing to the whole of code improvements and project participation and development. I feel like we really are at the beginning of a lot of better things and it’s iterative as it progresses. I feel hopeful

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      OpenAI published a paper about GPT titled “Sparks of AGI”.

      I don’t think they really believe it but it’s good to bring in VC money

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        That is a very VC baiting title. But it’s doesn’t appear from the abstract that they’re claiming that LLMs will develop to the complexity of AGI.