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      Then you’re going to have to learn some double-thing and join the fascists to make yourself feel better. Because Americans tend to hold feelings far more important than facts.

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      You sure showed us who’s in charge of the party. And didn’t give a shit about anything else.

      Voted for Harris, btw.

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      “I didn’t vote for genocide.”

      “Good for you. Here’s some genocide.”

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      LMAO. Do you really think that? You have the moral inferiority because you are part of the reason for the pain and terror getting much worse, both in Gaza and for every minority in the US. A direct consequence of you and your likeminded’s actions.

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        I was attempting to criticize the people who simply couldn’t vote for Harris for moral reasons, leading to a lower turnout than Biden in 2020, and allowing Trump to win.

        I somehow failed to convey my point with that comment. Sorry for the confusion.

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        I think previous poster is being critical of the moral high grounders that just sold the planet out, not actually supporting that shit.

        SpongeBob “We did it, Patrick!” meme energy.

        Looking at their comment history, they don’t appear to be a dipshit.

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            They’re right. I was being critical of abstainers and third-party voters that refused to vote for Harris for moral reasons, allowing a far more immoral person to become President. Sorry if my comment was unclear.

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          Huh, that’s a really bad analogy. It would rather be the case that the track drives over the one person in both cases and just over the five additional ones if you do’t turn the track.

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    You can yell at the train driver, you can make a team to stop the train, you can start building a new track, you can become a train driver yourself.

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      It wasn’t even exactly that. It was MILLIONS of people who voted Democrat previously just sitting this one out. I don’t think there are 15 Million “Gaza or bust” voters so this was just pure ignorance…

      “Trump is horrible, but the Democrats made inflation. I’m not voting for either.” (Conveniently forgetting COVID and the necessary cash injection that helped keep people paying bills on time and kept businesses afloat to be there to rehire when lockdowns ended.) Ignorance…

      Not that it was perfectly executed by any stretch of the imagination, but the alternative was everyone “non-essential” goes broke and businesses everywhere collapse. There was no world where we just didn’t do lockdowns, we don’t have the luxury of hindsight when something new happens obviously. We probably didn’t need the lockdowns because COVID spread regardless :(

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        Hey, so the 15 million thing isn’t true. That was the number before all of the votes came in. She actually gained votes in battleground states, but lost them in non-battleground states (states that didn’t really matter). Just a heads up. We need to be using facts here (not trying to attack, just trying to get that information out).

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          You’re right but it’s 12 million less than Biden got so your not really establishing anything other than the number was a little less in the final tally. Everything they said is exactly right with 15 million or 12 million.

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        Yeah, I would be utterly shocked if the Gaza issue lost her that many votes.

        It’s utterly detestable how short voter memory is.

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        the inflation is worse than that. trump droped rates from obamas 3 or 4 percent to zero before covid. I repeat before the covid emergency which is when you might drop them a percent or so.

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        There was no world where we just didn’t do lockdowns

        Maybe the world where Trump implemented the pandemic response plan that Obama left for him. But, no, we got Mr. Inject-Bleach-And-Shove-A-Lightbulb-Up-Your-Ass.

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          And-Shove-A-Lightbulb-Up-Your-Ass.

          At least then they could say they had a bright idea!

          …I’ll see myself out.

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        Hey now, you cannot blame voters. Only rage into the void about Democrats, that’s the only thing that can help. I mean it clearly worked before, right!? /s

        Source: many Lemmy users.

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          Down the street, a guy’s house burned down. Of course, we all blame him for it - and his failure to find a message that resonated with the firefighters, to motivate them to come save the building.

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        I don’t think there are 15 Million “Gaza or bust” voters so this was just pure ignorance…

        I believe there were 15 million "oh look, Harris is besties with Liz Cheney and continuing the half assed approach that Dems keep doing so who fucking cares’ people. I totally see why her poll numbers kept dropping over the course of her campaign after a strong start.

        I still voted for her, but at that point is was just another vote against Republicans.

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          So they thought through what it means to associate with a Cheney, but at the same time didn’t care enough to do anything about this situation? I don’t buy it. Apathy lost this election. And democrats share blame for that obviously, but acting like voters were right to stay home isn’t the right takeaway.

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            And democrats share blame for that obviously, but acting like voters were right to stay home isn’t the right takeaway.

            Agreed, which is why I still voted despite sharing the same demotivation.

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          All these people on these threads blaming it on the voters when Harris had it in her power to run a different campaign is just lazy. Harris not only had a brake she could pull to stop the “trolley”, she had a damned steering wheel to steer completely away from running people over, and she made a choice not to. Dont blame the peasants for shit leadership.

          Every single swing state lost. Both congress and the house lost. Thats a badly out of touch party, not stupid voters.

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            I call them ignorant voters, even the really stupid ones. They are a product of decades of GOP manipulation. But why can’t it be both them and a party that is totally clueless of what needs to change to reach people. The combination is exactly what you get, people who aren’t aware of reality and are just going towards the only party that is saying exactly what they want to hear (true or not).

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              that I can absolutely agree with. Its refreshing to hear someone put forth multiple reasons-- everyone wants to zero in on just 1, which is human nature, I guess.

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          I think that takes more thought than even those who vote with us do. I think we seriously overestimate the political intelligence of the people in this country. Not to say 0% were those people, but if we’re talking millions I think we’re talking about typical ignorance.

          I think the vast majority vote D for social issues, but once their pocketbook gets hurt it’s time to sit it out or worse “punish” the party in power by voting for the opposition. :(

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            They succeeded in punishing the party. For a price. We’ll revisit later if it was worth it.

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              if you listen to interviews of non voters they’re not even online. Ever. Like we need more people reaching out to real humans in the real world. they don’t listen to news they arent online. I don’t think democrats were ever going to win this one, too many voters are entirely unreachable.

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              It would take 100 years minimum to undo the damage that will be done, so I’m going to say “not worth it”.

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                The damage to the environment will never be undone. The US will double-down on emissions and most other countries in the world will stop trying because they won’t think there’s any point anymore.

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                  Oh it will recover alright. About a million years after we go extinct. So in about 1.00005 million years.

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    And this is why libs are made fun of for their feckless electoralism.

    Try organizing and building mutual aid networks instead of just sitting on your ass and watching.

    Maybe in 4 years you’ll be better prepared.

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      Nobody was leftist enough for anyone this election. It was a shit show of allies with differences, fighting and calling each other Nazis. They got played by Trump, the dumbest man on earth.

      I’ve had to vote for a shit sandwich in 2 elections now, just because the other option was staying home and let the fascists racists win.

      Somehow to Americans. Liberal became a worse thing to be than a Nazi. Meanwhile the rest of the world who uses the Term Liberal differently, is just scratching their head watching these idiots

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        What KIND of liberal? There are several “liberal” variants and the two main defined variants are:

        • Classic Liberalism - functionally the idea’s of the french revolution.

        • Modern Liberalism - tack social justice into the mix, requiring government intervention to enforce it.

        reality is, since about 1965-1970 left wing parties have been defined by the social justice bent. They have more or less been governed by an idea that they alone have the moral authority to define correct from wrong, that it is they that must define what is right wing - and over the years, a tremendous number of things, have been defined as right wing; we have seen a shift from Representatives defining laws and regulations - to regulatory agencies having the power to define the details devolved to them. We have seen the growth and bloat of bureaucracy, funded through increased taxes -and inflationary spending practices.

        So the reason “liberal” is defined differently - is functionally that the definition of “liberal” has been redefined. And this reuse of terms - well: That has a storied history in a particular soviet nation. Political correctness has a very soviet history to it.

        If you want to debate, and discredit a candidate based on their political stance/views and policies - ok: Do so. But maybe stop trying to define it as “nazi” - the term is ever more losing it’s weight in discussions, and that fact makes it very difficult to legitimately call out problematic entities. Because lets be clear: Trump is NOT A National Socialist - and that is a defining feature of the Nazi party.

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          You guys just don’t get it. It’s astounding watching this from the outside. While you argued about the new meanings you’ve given to words, and who is worthy or not of being your ally, the far right was unified and laughing at you.

          Americans are on a whole other planet

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          You’re posting on here and probably other channels. The NSA, FBI, and anyone else caught up in the wholesale data collection on US citizens has a full profile on you.

          Guess who now has that data?

          Get out if you can.

          If you can’t, go to a blue state and buy guns and ammo. Self-sort. Learn to shoot. Learn bush craft. Quit your vices. Get into shape.

          If you can’t do that, I’m very sorry for your plight. Form communities where you can and try to make some sort of SHTF plan.

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            They’ve collected too much data and trust their algos too much. The data from lemmy isn’t nearly as easy to parse or plentiful as the data from twitter or facebook. Bitching and moaning here isn’t nearly as compromising or attention grabbing as the shit that goes on on the sites run by open fascists.

            Seriously, the next time I meet some of the friends irl, I’m explaining that I wont be talking to them online without encryption involved. I ended up quitting a discord I made because they were copy/pasting their posts that was getting them banned on facebook there. Absolutely no sense of infosec. Those posts had the real names attached and now that’s associated with a discord I set up. Luckily, I was using a foreign email to register it.

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              Yeah encryption is a must in general but also especially going forward. I moved my group to Signal. I don’t like that it’s USA owned and run, so I’m hoping the other projects globally will start to improve interface and functionality wise. Also open to suggestions.

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          My daughter is queer and has never been in the closet. My mother thinks she’ll be just fine if she just goes into the closet. Not only is that unreasonable and unfair to expect of her, the internet is forever. Since she’s never been in the closet, she doesn’t make a secret of things like her first girlfriend. If they want to hunt queer people like her down, and I think they want to, they will.

          I’m just glad we have a way out. I wish I could take all the other queer people with us. Especially her girlfriend and her close trans friend.

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        They hate their own followers just as much as anybody else. Anybody who thinks the leopards won’t eat their faces is delusional.

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      I’m Canadian, but I think after next year I’ll be on our own track, only with a slightly smaller and less effective train

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      Most of the darker skinned ones were already run over further back on the track.

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    Yep. I’m focused on looking after my community/friends who have targets on their back now.

    Other than that I look to republicans and say “alright, this is all you now. Better be perfect!” They shouted and screeched that their way was best. Their god is in the seat. Time to deliver a “great economy”

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    This metaphor has always been poor. Trains are locked on tracks. Harris’s campaign could have steered away from biden and his low approval rating, distance from the voters, and genocide, at any moment she wanted to. She wasnt locked on tracks. Pretending she was so its easy to yell at voters is a really unfortunate takeaway, and dooms the party to continuing to think in ways that will lose. The massive unpopular – historically so even-- incumbent lost. Thats what happened.

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          If you haven’t voted for Harris because of Gaza, congratulations. You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there. The US will increase their support and Bibi will feel more confident than ever. Palestine may be wiped out all together.

          It doesn’t fucking matter that Harris isn’t everything you want from a president. She’s far from perfect. I don’t like her policies. The reality is that it was a choice between a conservative and a fascist. America chose fascism and the world will suffer.

          Being a leftist and not voting because LoW aPpRoVaL is unbelievably irresponsible and I refuse to make excuses for people who stayed home.

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            You sealed the fate of the remaining people living there.

            You have no data at all on that-- thats just a self serving hope to service your political ends. Biden let the zionists do whatever far right warcrimes they wanted, whenever they wanted, as much as they wanted. He didnt even defend the UN, journalists, aid workers or the Americans killed there. He continues to actively break the Leahy laws amongst many others. I am hopeful that since Trump and his followers are antisemites, maybe he wont be as bad as Biden/Harris. See? I can have self serving hopes exactly the same as you can.

            All Biden/Harris offered were words that didnt match their actions and toothless red lines that were memory holed when Netenyahu laughed at them and bypassed them. Other presidents ended the same events with a simple phone call. So your painting of Biden/Harris as supportive of Palestinians is over the top ridiculous.

            I’m also hopeful that some president after trump will sign onto the ICC treaty so we can ship Trump and Biden to the Hague for the prison sentence they are so richly overdue for.

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    Except those people tied themselves to the track and started the train themselves… Completely voluntarily.

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      Unfortunately not true, a lot of people who didn’t vote for Neofascism will also suffer.

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    I mean you could also take the “don’t buy from US based corporations for 1 year challenge” starting january 1st 2025. Stock up on any corporate goods you need now then buy nothing for a year.

    The pandemic market rallied because of a bailout after consumer spending plummeted. Would be a shame if the same thing happened and suddenly there was no emergency for a bailout to sail under.

    They won’t have time and energy for persecuting people if the economy is broken.

    Record/pirate a bunch of movies/shows then cancel streaming for a year. Buy any electronics now before the tariffs start. Buy surplus canned food etc. Then see how little you can spend the entire year of 2025. Planning on doing tourist stuff inside the US? Don’t. If you work at a big corporation consider deleting an important email and see what happens.

    Lets fuck around.