cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22423685

EDIT: For those who are too lazy to click the link, this is what it says

Hello,

Sad news for everyone. YouTube/Google has patched the latest workaround that we had in order to restore the video playback functionality.

Right now we have no other solutions/fixes. You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won’t work anymore.

If you are interested to install Invidious at home, we remind you that we have a guide for that here: https://docs.invidious.io/installation/..

This is not the death of this project. We will still try to find new solutions, but this might take time, months probably.

I have updated the public instance list in order to reflect on the working public instances: https://instances.invidious.io. Please don’t abuse them since the number is really low.

Feel free to discuss this politely on Matrix or IRC.

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    I wonder if some kind of mesh might work. Maybe like a secret Santa type deal. By that I mean everyone who connects, gets a randomised, anonymous partner or partners. Everyone in the swarm streams for each other.

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    YouTube will not change until people stop using it. And people do not want to put up with the inconvenience of not having a YouTube type service again for the amount of time it would take for YouTube to change or a viable competitor to take their place, it really is that simple.

    Are YouTube and Google terrible? For sure, but it only got this way because the only backstop to holding them accountable, the consumer, has proven that they will choose putting up with shitty products and services in the name of convenience 9 times out of 10.

    Same reasons that ad tiers are gaining a foothold in streaming services like Netflix. The consumer has shown they are fine with it.

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      Time to pirate YT content and upload to usenet to be automatically downloaded using sonarr

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        Yes but literally throwing together a script to download the days subscription videos to a jellyfin media drive would be stupidly simple.

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          “Stupidly simple” might be overselling it when it comes to the masses adopting it. Not everyone is adept at “throwing together a script.”

          That being said, I’m all for helping the masses adapt.

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            “Give me a Python script using yt-dlp that I can run on a cronjob that will download the videos from any of my subscribed channels since the last time the script was run”

            You can use the following Python script to download videos from your subscribed channels since the last run. This script uses yt-dlp and stores the last download timestamp to track new videos.

            First, ensure you have yt-dlp installed:

            pip install yt-dlp
            

            Then, create a script called download_videos.py:

            import os
            import json
            import subprocess
            from datetime import datetime
            
            # Configuration
            last_run_file = 'last_run.json'
            download_directory = 'downloads'
            
            # Ensure the download directory exists
            os.makedirs(download_directory, exist_ok=True)
            
            # Load the last run time
            if os.path.exists(last_run_file):
                with open(last_run_file, 'r') as f:
                    last_run = json.load(f)['last_run']
            else:
                last_run = datetime.now().isoformat()
            
            # Update the last run time to now
            current_run = datetime.now().isoformat()
            
            # Command to get videos from subscribed channels since the last run
            command = [
                'yt-dlp',
                '--download-archive', 'archive.txt',
                '--output', f'{download_directory}/%(title)s.%(ext)s',
                '--date-after', last_run,
                '--no-post-overwrites',
                '--merge-output-format', 'mp4',
                'https://www.youtube.com/channel/CHANNEL_ID',  # Replace with your channel URL
            ]
            
            # Run the command
            subprocess.run(command)
            
            # Save the current run time
            with open(last_run_file, 'w') as f:
                json.dump({'last_run': current_run}, f)
            
            print("Download complete. Next run will check for videos since:", current_run)
            

            Setting Up the Cron Job

            1. Make the script executable:

              chmod +x download_videos.py
              
            2. Open your crontab:

              crontab -e
              
            3. Add a line to run the script at your desired interval (e.g., daily at 2 AM):

              0 2 * * * /path/to/python /path/to/download_videos.py
              

            Notes

            • Replace CHANNEL_ID in the script with your actual channel IDs or use a playlist URL if preferred.
            • The archive.txt file keeps track of already downloaded videos to avoid duplicates.
            • Adjust the paths to Python and your script as needed.
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              Another example, which i can personally verify has been working fine for months. It works a bit different to the above, it downloads the latests 2* vids that are not already downloaded and runs once every hour with cron. I also attempted to filter out live vids and shorts.

              Channels i am “subscribed” too are stored in a single text file, it also uses the avc1 codec because i found p9 and p10 had issues with the jellyfin client on my tv.

              looks like this, i added categories but i don’t actually use them in the script besides putting them in a variable, lol. Vid-limit is how many of the latests vids it should look at to download. The original reason i implemented that is so i could selectively download a bulk of latests vids if i wanted to.

              Cat=Science
              Name=Vertitasium
              VidLimit=2
              URL=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHnyfMqiRRG1u-2MsSQLbXA
              
              Cat=Minecraft
              Name=EthosLab
              VidLimit=2
              URL=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFKDEp9si4RmHFWJW1vYsMA
              
              #!/bin/bash
              
              
              # Define the directory to store channel lists and scripts
              script_dir="/.../YTDL"
              
              # Define the base directory to store downloaded videos
              base_download_dir="/.../youtubevids"
              
              # Change to the script directory
              cd "$script_dir"
              
              # Parse the Channels.txt file and process each channel
              awk -F'=' '
                /^Cat/ {Cat=$2}
                /^Name/ {Name=$2}
                /^VidLimit/ {VidLimit=$2}
                /^URL/ {URL=$2; print Cat, Name, VidLimit, URL}
              ' "$script_dir/Channels.txt" | while read -r Cat Name VidLimit URL; do
                  # Define the download directory for this channel
                  download_dir="$base_download_dir"
                  
                  # Define the download archive file for this channel
                  archive_file="$script_dir/DLarchive$Name.txt"
                  
                  # Create the download directory if it does not exist
                  mkdir -p "$download_dir"
                  
                  # If VidLimit is "ALL", set playlist_end option to empty, otherwise set it to --playlist-end <VidLimit>
                  playlist_end_option=""
                  if [[ $VidLimit != "ALL" ]]; then
                      playlist_end_option="--playlist-end $VidLimit"
                  fi
              yt-dlp \
                      --download-archive "$archive_file" \
                      $playlist_end_option \
                      --write-description \
                      --write-thumbnail \
                      --convert-thumbnails jpg \
                      --add-metadata \
                      --embed-thumbnail \
                      --match-filter "!is_live & !was_live & original_url!*=/shorts/" \
                      --merge-output-format mp4 \
                      --format "bestvideo[vcodec^=avc1]+bestaudio[ext=m4a]/best[ext=mp4]/best" \
                      --output "$download_dir/${Name} - %(title)s.%(ext)s" \
                      "$URL"
                      
              done
              
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                Yeah this is more elegant and closer to what I’d actually want to implement. I was more just showing what could be done in literally thirty seconds on the can with ChatGPT.

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            Well you know what they say “Great minds think quicker than mine and probably have already had that thought.”

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        Honestly, it would probably be easier to just build a *arr program specifically for downloading YouTube videos directly. Tie it into the rest of the *arr suite, with naming conventions for Plex/Jellyfin.

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      Same reasons that ad tiers are gaining a foothold in streaming services like Netflix. The consumer has shown they are fine with it.

      Yep, I remember when Netlfix first put it out there that they would start with the ads, and everyone on reddit was like, “Canceling my Netflix right now!!”

      Netflix is doing just fine without the 5 redditors who actually did cancel it. lmao

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        I know you weren’t using the number 5 as a hard example, but a thing that people still don’t seem to realize is that the people in threads like this are the people that actually care. Even if the few thousand redditors who subscribe to a subreddit where they discussed that topic were to all (and I mean 100% of them) cancel there subscriptions. That is still only a drop in the bucket for Netflix. Losing a few thousand subscribers is still nothing if they made more money with the addition of ads.

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          Losing a few thousand subscribers is still nothing if they made more money with the addition of ads.

          It’s the same with increasing the price of a service. Usually, the extra revenue from the price increase is far greater than the revenue loss from people that unsubscribe. If a business has a choice between a large number of customers with a small amount of profit per customer, and a small number of customers with a larger amount of profit per customer, they’ll always pick the latter. Fewer customers reduces other costs, for example less support load, less bandwidth usage, etc.

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          these are also the people who would pay more for quality service if it was available.

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          It is interesting to me that the chorus always talking about “switching” to piracy after every incident is also intimately familiar with piracy already. Almost as if it’s just people who already pirate talking to each other about how hard they are going to pirate. Meanwhile general audiences don’t care.

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        the problem is so many people are willing to say they’ll take a stand.

        but when the time comes, the mindnumbingly overwhelming majority suck it up, because they must have their precious shiny and can not suffer even the mildest of inconvenience.

        Its my biggest gripe in gaming, but its a enormous gripe just in general, with everything. because it doesnt matter if you are talking about appliances, creative software, video games, streaming services, stores, etc.

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          this is the primary reason i advocate for more piracy, and even legal protections for piracy, in some capacity.

          It’s one of the few spaces i consider to be a “truly free market” when it comes to economics.

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            I’m more and more inclined towards the idea of piracy myself as time goes on and media continues to shave itself down into more and more ridiculous, unrelated shards, that you have to subscribe to just to be able to SEE if they have what you want.

            I don’t actively do it actively since I dont really know where to begin, and things I have found have been to sketch for me, or requiring memberships or even payments to join.

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              if you’re looking for the babies first torrenting introduction, dbzer0 has a pretty comprehensive guide on it.

              Might be worth looking into i2p as well, if you don’t want to spend any money on it at least. Usenets and closed trackers are a weird one, usually based on memberships, but with good quality control of members and content so.

              there’s also the *arr stack but im sure there’s a write of that one up on github or something.

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                I poked around dbzer0 and found a few streaming sites, Nothing which carried anything i was particularly interested in.

                Navigating this stuff without my ISP getting pissy is another hurdle, too.

                It was much easier 20+ years ago when you just searched KaZaA or Limewire, or back when piratebay was the site (and before it got drowned in virus traps)

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          To summarize what I was telling another person. The number of people who care are far outnumbered by the number of people who don’t. It doesn’t matter if you or I or all 10,000 (just a random number for the sake of argument) of the people subscribed to a sub like this were to cancel when r/justworks or r/normie (made up subreddits for the sake of argument) has 100,000,000 who don’t give a damn about computers, privacy, or anything else beyond the service working or not.

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            I agree. Tech communities have a habit of drastically over estimating how much everyone else cares about the details of tech.

            Even something as simple as PC gaming scares off a lot of people because of the perception that you need to be some kind of tech wizard in order to cobble everything together to make a game run. Actual cobbling together of software to pirate (no matter how simple it seems to people in the know) is just a bunch of technobabble.

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              I have people whom I still need to explain copy and paste to on a regular basis. Trust me, I understand.

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      While I agree, I have a hard time seeing how people will stop using it until the field changes. Maybe in 10 years it will the the MySpace of the sitcom era, but right now it’s still growing. That growth is giving it carte blanche to manipulate the users as it sees fit. Regulation might impact it, but it’s still a bit of a Goliath.

      • Compared to 2023, YouTube’s user base has grown by 20 million this year, representing a 0.74% increase. From Global media insights

      Also the active user base is 2.7 billion people in 2024 from the same source above.

      The alternatives are out there, but just not in the same league.

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          I’m having a hard time seeing any bill get passed that supports the rights of users to watch videos without the ads that support the creators and the platform that they’re watching.

          We should reach a compromise of having skippable ads in the beginning only, for example. In other pages it could be that ads cannot be bigger than 10% of the content being delivered on the page.

          It’s not always all or nothing, good regulation listens to both sides and reaches a compromise in the middle, but good regulation is getting harder and harder to come by.

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          I don’t think this requires an act of congress. I think you might see more consumer advocation on the part of FTC (although it doesn’t currently regulate online broadcast), or potentially the CFPB.

          Admittedly it’s more likely to see the EU do some regulations, but it all depends on the election.

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            I think it needs regulation, the whole streaming industry needs to be regulated! It can’t be that the competition is made using exclusive content and you have to live with privacy infringement tech to consume cultural art legally.

            In my opinion, in a capitalist system, the market competition should be about delivering the content the best way, not about what content they deliver.

            Right now, they can made the delivery as shitty as they want, because what takes them apart from competition is the exclusive content, not the tech.

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              Agreed, now the fun part of coming up with a legal basis to do so and convincing regulators.

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                I think in the EU one could achieve something like this a la appstore opening rule, where streaming services are demanded to give other streaming services access to the library, lime some sort of roaming 🤔

                Or you split the distribution from the company producing stuff

                So many possibilities 😂

                Luckily I am in a pirate friendly country 🏴‍☠️

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    Sad to hear. Newpipe is still working fine (as of a couple minutes ago) if that helps. That’s through a residential IP. I will try yt-dlp from a data center IP when I get a chance. I hope they haven’t blocked that.

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    For those who are want something similar to invidious, you can try youtube-local (not my project, I am just a user). It is a minimal python youtube client, and functions similar to other frontends, but runs locally. You lose some amount of privacy (youtube still has a general idea of who is watching with IPs), but it is not very exact, and there is an option to use tor to get the content. You can also enable sponsorblock, or hide yt-shorts.

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    newpiped and freetube will continue to work but piped is also blocked as well

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    I would suggest the devs to be able to create instances from within tor. It would be slow, but impossible to block. Or from any other network that don’t rely on single IP access to YouTube . Or, make a mesh of collaborative home instances. Google can’t block millions of home IPs. Or use any mesh collaborative network capable of it.

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    People should learn to live without YT, instead of making an existential drama about it (about its ads, really).

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      This is the way. Let those content creators sucking up your time be the background noise they were always meant to be.

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        tell me you don’t work in IT without telling me you don’t work in IT.

        YT is more than just thots in shorts and fake scumbag competition game show hosts.

        there’s a whole community of educators and creators that are genuinely useful and is the core of what YT used to be used for.

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          I have a BSc in CompSci and an MSc in Cybersec & Dig. Forensics and I’m actively employed as a mid level engineer in the field on a fully employer-sponsored Skilled Worker Visa, doing everything from vulnerability management and triage to GRC for ISO27001 to advising product and engineering teams on implementation details for best practices and compliance for a multinational org to DR&BC tabletops etc etc. I think this counts as IT.

          Perhaps even more impressively though: I use Vim btw (to program in C).

          I am not necessarily trying to brag very much, only to establish my own perspective, I don’t consider myself particularly talented or intelligent or successful - otherwise I’d have gone into research, but I am currently (and kinda always) studying to improve my skills and stay up to date.

          Just recently I decided to take a look into pentesting to learn the l33t side of things more as my education only ever briefly touched on it, I started in August as something to keep my brain sane during studies for the settlement visa (Life in the UK) test, and I’ve made it to Hacker Rank on HackTheBox a week ago or so. I think I watched a grand total of one Ippsec video, the rest of everything I read.

          I don’t know where you got the “game show hosts” from my comment, and I’m not aware of this if it exists as some broader trend. I don’t see YouTube shorts it’s all long blocked for me since release haha.

          Yes YT tutorials and whatnot are good, but they are only good as broad introductions to a topic, personal opinions, or a particular historical narrative (Dr.Chuck on C’s history for instance). Those are few good nuggets between an endless sea of scams selling you a course or some other grift.

          At a certain point you should start going a bit more in depth and reading - actively engaging with the material, move beyond simply knowing or purely copying and pasting terminal commands and understand why things work the way they do.

          You don’t become an electrical engineer or something by watching electroboom, you learn what it’s about yes, but the rest you learn by reading and making, even basic arduino/breadboard projects will teach you more.

          The best thing about YouTube is how good it is as background noise.

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            Ahh, that makes sense. you’re not the target demographic of YT. you’re too educated and too driven and you learn through more advanced methods.

            that’s OK, great for you and I’m happy that you’re so successful. now, what about the millions of users that don’t have the means to access higher education and training provided by their employers? what about the 18yo kid living in a leaky trailer with their methed out mom or dad that’s looking for literally any way out they can afford.

            perhaps in your quest you surrounded yourself with ultra successful people and forgot that there is a whole world with billions of people that do not have the same means as you do.

            not trying to diminish the hard work and efforts you have clearly applied, but just because you did doesn’t mean everyone can.

            by removing easy access to content provided by these communities, even if they are wholly or partially incorrect, it only deepens the chasm between long term professional success and endentured struggle.

            I will not support any action that denies a life the opportunity to rise above their status and claim a better life for themselves and their family. for every one person who stands above their born status increases the potential successes of those around them, and even cooler, it’s a feedback system. your successes become their successes, and their successes become our successes.

            Just to make it clear, I’m not trying to diminish your success I’m just trying to establish my perspective on your perspective so that we can share in a perspective that includes our success.

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              Oh no I totally understand that I’m privileged as all hell.

              That said I also learned a helluva lot more outside of my degree during said degree and after.

              Formal teaching is really like YouTube and it’s meant to introduce you to what you don’t know more than anything, and as I said that’s a good thing as an introduction, but the vast majority of content is written, and you learn far more from it.

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          25 years in IT and I didnt need youtube.

          BUT, I prefer learning by reading, not videos.

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            I didn’t need help when I went to college. these lazy kids just need to get a paper route for the summer to pay for a semester or two. it couldn’t cost more than a couple hundred bucks for books and classes”

            what you did over your 25 year long career is irrelevant to what current people are going through. the rest of this is a rant on “boomer” mentality. I’m an xer myself, just sick of people perpetuating the broken ideals of the most spoiled generation.

            !

            I’ve been in IT just as long but in the last 10 years I have been asked to learn the following under threat of becoming “irrelevant”; cloud computing, big data analysis, cryptographic signing and tracking of data, machine learning, and the most recent artificial intelligence.

            how the fuck are we supposed to keep up with this and maintain our family/home and maintain friendships and maintain our sanity all while juggling the roles and responsibilities weighing us down at work.

            in 2021 I worked over 3200 hours in the year. that’s double 8s almost every single day. part of that time was training time I was forced to comply with to make sure “the company remains competitive.” it also doesn’t include the 16 hours of training over the weekends that I couldn’t claim because, “if you can’t perform the responsibilities given to you within office hours provided then perhaps you should work from the office under supervision.” I think we all know what that meant. want to know what I did with all that training? I’ll let you know as soon as I use it.

            point is, the world got fucked up, and greedy pieces of shit at the top make the smaller greedy pieces of shit greed harder, and so forth. when will it be enough? when can we stop working on frivolous bullshit that’s going to be dropped and abandoned when “the next big thing” shows up? when can we start building shit that matters so much that we can’t just abandon it?

            so, what’s this got to do with YT? if I could have watched 200 hours of training videos for free online instead of taking multiple courses, homework, tests, etc; I could spent more time with my kids, or hobbies, or doing whatever the fuck I want. instead, I was stuck doing busywork for some other assholes bonus.

            !<

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              This is insane. My career started three years ago. I’m Gen-Z. Never used YouTube for learning. We get it dude you like videos, most don’t and don’t learn that way.

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              I’m sorry you got stuck with that. I too worked evenings and weekens. But I left. They ended up hiring three people to replace me.

              I took a risk and exited IT. I now manage technical teams and projects in the dental industry.

              I understand the usefulness of good video content, I was simply responding to the fact that this IT guy chooses to read rather than watch.

              And your rant highlights a very common theme in corporations today. And not everyone has the freedom or the option to slide out from under it.

              As for boomers, fuck 'em. I don’t look down on the younger generations. I see smart young people trying wade through the crap us boomers left behind. And trying to navigate a shitty corporate world.

              I hope opportunity knocks for you.

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    You can still watch YouTube without ads using grayjay.app including sponsor block.

    Thanks to Louis Rossman

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    Wow all this bullying is really convincing me to go back to their shitty platform.

    If i can’t access my fav creators anymore itl just motivate me to do sm productive, like building web3

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        I don’t judge people who give in to the oppressor. Life is hard and you have to pick your battles, more important stuff then blocking ads for “normal” people.

        For me its largely a disability/accessibility thing. The whole site is not usable.

        Its not that i want to die on this hill its that corporate bullshit is measurably detrimental to my health. My hill is the only one i can exist on.

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        Oh no, the execution and information thus far has been horrible. You are alluding to blockchain are you? When i look at the website you post i see absolutely nothing that i even recognize as web3 its all cryptostuff.

        I don’t get why everybody is so hell-bend on blockchain based internet (sure its decentralized but come on, we’re creative enough to do better). Its like people don’t get the point of “user owned” and are expecting companies to build a better internet for them without serving their own interests.

        No, we are going to need to do this ourselves, self host our own data and services, open source everything.

        Lemmy and the fediverse are the closest i have seen to being proto web 3 in spirit and there are also still far from perfect.

        I have read the “What is web3” from that site and could not disagree on the definition more. I would not be suprised if both the blockchain cults and this website are part of the propaganda machine that is stopping a free internet from happening.

        My web3 is aligned much more with this: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/user-liberation-watch-and-share-our-new-video

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    If you have the resources, host your own to help and spread the load across public instances.

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      They said:

      You may be able to get Invidious working on residential IP addresses (like at home) but on datacenter IP addresses Invidious won’t work anymore.

      and I imagine that most people that host something like this do so using a VPS. Homelabs tend to be the minority use case.

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        Plus, some ISPs might frown upon the increase in traffic when hosting a public service.

        I hate my ISP.

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          Plus, some ISPs might frown upon the increase in traffic when hosting a public service.

          this shit is so stupid, i pay for the fucking bandwidth, give me the fucking bandwidth.

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              yeah, if you want to charge me on a per packet basis, fucking charge me on a per packet basis.

              don’t play this bullshit of “unlimited bandwidth” but actually it’s 1gbs so it’s not unlimited but actually very specifically limited to one specific amount, and nothing more, because it’s physically impossible for it to be higher.

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          Most residential ISPs would frown upon a large amount of upload traffic for a public service, and request that you switch to a business plan with a much lower contention ratio. Contention ratio is essentially the number of people the bandwidth is shared with. For example, if you have a 1Gbps connection with a contention ratio of 50:1 (common for residential ISPs), 50 people share the same 1Gbps bandwidth. That’s designed with the idea that not every user is using all their bandwidth at the exact same time. Constant uploads all day (like with a public proxy) breaks that assumption. Business plans usually have a contention ratio of 10:1 to 20:1.

          The CEO of my ISP (Sonic) explicitly mentioned that they don’t like people hosting servers on their forum:

          We don’t want folks hosting publically accessible servers on Sonic fiber. Primarily because while household consumption can be estimated and averaged, and is roughly limited by your ability to consume (how many TVs will you stream to, plus downloads and other activities, during the peak bandwidth usage time of the day?), when you host the usage is instead limited only by the REST of the world’s interest in what you’re offering.

          So while a family of six with five 4K TVs might see peak average usage under 100Mbps if absolutely every device is on and all consuming full-scale content – a single Raspberry PI web server with a single video hosted on it might swamp a gigabit port if that video file is something everyone in the world wants to see.

          While we can provide the fastest residential connection in America, it’s pricing relies upon typical use cases. That pricing is not sustainable if someone is hosting a popular website, sharing with neighbors, feeding a wireless ISP, acting as a TOR exit node, etc etc. Servers belong in data-centers (aka “the cloud”), for practical network scale as well as economic reasons.

          They don’t block it though, and they’re fine with low-bandwidth things like Home Assistant, VPNs, etc.

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    Didn’t Odysee recently removed ads? Anyway, I think I’ll start watching videos on Odysee and peertube, via RSS feeds. At least from youtubers that upload there.

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    Not just invidious, they’ve just de facto blocked video embedding:

    If you’re wondering how a viable competitor could arise, other companies needing a video hosting solution that they can rely on to run their storefronts is a perfect use case. This is the Humble Bundle storefront, and they could pretty easily spin up a peertube instance. If that became commonplace, it could be one way for peertube to become ubiquitous.

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        Sure but it’s really common to see embedded youtube videos on storefronts, and if storefronts en masse abandoned it that’s one more piece of the market that youtube has lost.

        They can’t keep locking it down and not lose market share, is my point. They’re enshittifying so much, so fast, and eventually there will be a tipping point.

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            “Massive increase” I think needs a source.

            And they rely on the network effect to be the de facto standard video hoster. Every little bit of that network that they carve off while they’re enshittifying brings them closer to the critical point where people can afford to ditch them.

            The logic that they can “afford” to lose marketshare is exactly what will make them keep losing it until people migrate en masse and they lose all of their marketshare.

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                Source for what? The network effect? I gave you a link, you can read.

                And youtube is enshittifying.

                These are both well-established effects. My sourcing is finished now. It beats your “pure speculation” unless you have something else you want to add.

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              Youtube is now big enough for not caring about the network effect.

              1. Start companies
              2. make a free product with network effect
              3. gain a lot of users
              4. now that you have your user base, user growth is not as relevant anymore and therefore network effect is not needed anymore
              5. enshitificate for more ad revenue, more tracking and direct subscriptions
              6. profit (finally after decades)

              Capitalism is just fucked 🤷🏻🏴‍☠️

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      other companies needing a video hosting solution that they can rely on to run their storefronts is a perfect use case.

      Many companies use Vimeo for this.

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        is that a possible workaround? Also, a tip from my school trying to block YouTube (idk if it applies here) is that you can ‘add to queue’ to where it plays in the corner then there’s a button to make it bigger.

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        Could be, maybe it’s intermittent, but the more times they try to lock this shit down and it stops working for storefronts, the more unreliable it becomes.

        What percentage of visits can they afford to have this error happen before they seek alternatives? If it were my business and I didn’t know how many customers were closing the store page because the video didn’t play and they lost interest, I would be immediately looking for an alternative.

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      yo rainworld i used to have a friend that was a fan of that game

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      I watch embedded videos all the time. Literally hundreds this weekend. Embedded is not “de facto blocked”.

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    So when do we start just showing up the the doorstep of google employees?

    I work for the fucking military industrial complex and not even I would be a bad enough person to work on breaking invidious.