Pot: Kettle
I’d love for this clown to explain how fines for spreading disinformation = fascism.
Because the fascists are the ones who will tell you which truths are “disinformation.”
Depends on what the misinformation is.
Depends on how they define and decide what “misinformation” is.
From the article:
“Elon Musk’s had more positions on free speech than the Kama Sutra,” Shorten said in an interview with Australian radio.
Hahahah
That is to say 0, as, to my knowledge the Kama Sutra says exactly nothing on free speech.
I think that the joke flew right over your head
I misunderstood, I thought Shorten was making a argument for musk.
How can a web site charge you a fine? What if you don’t pay? Just stop using the site? Stupid lol
The fine will be charged to the social media company for failing to control missinformation. Not the users.
All media companies need to be held responsible for not doing due diligence against the spread of disinformation. Disinformation is currently the main tool enemies of different nations are using against each other
Edit to make the statement more general
While I agree there’s a responsibility go combating misinfo, you can’t rely on nation states to decide what is misinfo. Authoritarian do and will abuse this to silencer criticism of the or regimes.
What you see and don’t see on social media is already decided by nation states. It’s just countries like Russia, China, and Iran do it covertly.
They can push the things they want to the top of the algorithms with a relatively small (for a nation state) amount of resources. Sure they usually don’t outright ban content (but that can happen too by spamming abuse reports) but they can effectively shadow ban people by simply promoting everything except for the things they don’t like and use bot spam to do the social media equivalent of signal jamming.
And of course (as we’ve seen with Musk) the leadership of social media companies can be influenced (by a combo of same the misinformation they use on everyone else + money) and made into assets for nation states. This allows them to have some influence over who gets officially blocked on social media.
Yes it’s not ideal to have nation states influencing speech, the current is to have foreign adversary nation states influencing speech. The choice is between having democracies having a de jure influence on social media or have authoritarian countries have a de facto influence on social media.
they passed a law banning TikTok, why is X any better?
This is about Australia, TikTok is not banned here.
waoh, free speech…
Xitter is a haven for Nazis because Musk deliberately made it that way. That makes Musk a Nazi in my book.
Xitler.
So, let me explain how nazies work. The nazies don’t want to be seen as nazies, so they claim their opponents are nazies. Putin does this, Israel, Trump, Musk, right wing politicians all over Europe, etc. They are all fascists or national socialists yet they claim they are fighting nazies or are a victim of nazies.
It’s like a plumber who keeps screaming an electrician is a plumber, and to prove his point he’s going to break into the electrician’s house to fix his plumbing while murdering his family.
Aren’t you actually the one saying people are Nazis?
Touche!
If it talks and acts like a nazi, I call them a nazi. I do not call anyone opposing me a nazi no matter their political opinion. For example, Trump and Musk call leftists nazis. That makes no sense. Israel calls anyone opposing their right wing extremism, apartheid, annexing and genocide a nazi. It’s like Hitler calling the allies nazis.
I’m not calling anyone a nazi, I label people who are actual nazis based on their opinion and acts.
Yeah so Israel is a democracy. You’re saying a democratic country is a Nazi country.
I think a common thing among Nazis is to try to de-legitimize democracies. Trump does it, Putin does it, and you’re doing it while claiming they’re the Nazis. What does that make you?
Also Hamas came into power by winning a plurality of the votes and refused to hold elections after that. Their goal is to at best ethnically cleanse and at worst commit genocide to remove people of a certain ethnicity from a region. They use extreme violence and a narrative about past injustices to maintain power. They keep people in a perpetual state of angry fervor to control them. That all doesn’t seem just a little fashy to you?
How do you know when you’re not the one being a Nazi accusing your enemies of being a Nazi? Is it just that you’re always not the Nazi and everyone that disagrees with you is a Nazi? How are you different from Trump, Musk, Putin, etc?
If it talks and acts like a nazi, I call them a nazi
For instance, if they classified people into “desirable” and “undesirable” and proposed that the undesirables should have fewer rights or be outright eliminated?
For instance. But are you going in the direction of “how about you then”? Because I do not approve of nazis, but imo everyone should have the right of their opinion an no one should be silenced or eliminated. I prefer them not to have any power, but that is my preference yet I still believe they should have as much right to be elected as I am. I just hoped people would be less dumb and recognize fake news and propaganda when voting. But yeah, people have a right to be dumb and fuck up the world and no one should be stripped of those rights.
Because I do not approve of nazis
You say that, but you do approve of a group that separates people into desirables and undesirables and desires to eliminate the undesirables. Not just from their society, but from the Earth entire.
So I don’t believe you when you say you’re not a Nazi.
Hahaha ooooh snap! You got me xD
No, you’re wrong.
be real with me, are you just pretending to be this stupid?
everyone should have the right of their opinion an no one should be silenced or eliminated
You are contradicting yourself. Tolerating nazis literally means allowing a group that sports the core dictum that they are justified in silencing and eliminating whomever they deem fair game. The topic has been discussed and the result is settled since 1945. We had a whole war about it. The group of people who think they should get to kill everybody they say is inferior to them does not get to participate.
I never aid I tolerate them. I’m fighting hard against fake news, propaganda and their protests. Just because I fight them, doesn’t mean I believe they have less rights to their opinion or less rights to live. I just don’t agree with them and I want to fight them. I don’t want to be the same as them by putting them beneath me, taking away their rights. They have a right to their opinion, they have a right to protest and they have a right to get a beating whenever they protest against LGBTQ+, other ethnicities, or what so ever or when spreading Russian and other right wing propaganda. We can’t just silence, imprison and kill people we don’t agree with, that’s what nazis do.
We can show them they are wrong, we can fight them, we can show others what’s behind their mask, we can convict them of their crimes when they make them.
Freedom of speech doesn’t have an amendment saying “only if you agree with me”.
To reprise a bit of schoolhouse wisdom,
whoever smelt it dealt it.
