If it talks and acts like a nazi, I call them a nazi
For instance, if they classified people into “desirable” and “undesirable” and proposed that the undesirables should have fewer rights or be outright eliminated?
For instance. But are you going in the direction of “how about you then”? Because I do not approve of nazis, but imo everyone should have the right of their opinion an no one should be silenced or eliminated. I prefer them not to have any power, but that is my preference yet I still believe they should have as much right to be elected as I am. I just hoped people would be less dumb and recognize fake news and propaganda when voting. But yeah, people have a right to be dumb and fuck up the world and no one should be stripped of those rights.
everyone should have the right of their opinion an no one should be silenced or eliminated
You are contradicting yourself. Tolerating nazis literally means allowing a group that sports the core dictum that they are justified in silencing and eliminating whomever they deem fair game. The topic has been discussed and the result is settled since 1945. We had a whole war about it. The group of people who think they should get to kill everybody they say is inferior to them does not get to participate.
I never aid I tolerate them. I’m fighting hard against fake news, propaganda and their protests. Just because I fight them, doesn’t mean I believe they have less rights to their opinion or less rights to live. I just don’t agree with them and I want to fight them. I don’t want to be the same as them by putting them beneath me, taking away their rights. They have a right to their opinion, they have a right to protest and they have a right to get a beating whenever they protest against LGBTQ+, other ethnicities, or what so ever or when spreading Russian and other right wing propaganda. We can’t just silence, imprison and kill people we don’t agree with, that’s what nazis do.
We can show them they are wrong, we can fight them, we can show others what’s behind their mask, we can convict them of their crimes when they make them.
Freedom of speech doesn’t have an amendment saying “only if you agree with me”.
You may be surprised to hear that the situation is a bit more nuanced than that because freedom of speech is not, in fact, an unlimited freedom. Wherever different rights and freedoms overlap and endanger each other, every society must weigh them against each other and sometimes give preference to one freedom by limiting another. That means that certain ways of using free speech are not protected. One layman’s example that one keeps hearing would be shouting “fire” in a crowded theater. Certain calls for violence can be criminally prosecuted because they would endanger other people’s right to live, for example.
The reason behind these limitations to freedom of speech is the so-called “paradox of tolerance”. In essence, it says that a democratic society that tolerates even attempts to overthrow its core tenets will be upended by destructive ideologies unless active steps are taken to prevent that. While the absolutely tolerant society is basically a buffet to slaughter and usurp for authoritarian ideologies, a democratic society that wants to survive needs to be a defensive democracy that limits attacks on its core values. And there’s an excellent case to be made that the nazi ideology is in its very core not compatible with a democratic society, so much so that in multiple countries like for example germany, it is illegal to shout “heil hitler” or use one’s freedom of expression to further the nazi ideology. And they are speaking from experience.
Yeah I completely agree. But there’s a difference between silencing your opposition by banning their opinion and banning certain harmful words. I believe we shouldn’t silence them because we do not agree, we just need to fight their idiology and propaganda, and them whenever they endanger anyone else.
We shouldn’t ban anyone from speaking out their opinion, we should disapprove their opinion and argue they are wrong.
You say that, but you do approve of a group that separates people into desirables and undesirables and desires to eliminate the undesirables. Not just from their society, but from the Earth entire.
So I don’t believe you when you say you’re not a Nazi.
I do? I never said that. I do not approve of nazis, I fight against them. But somehow you keep saying I approve of them and keep calling me a nazi. So you’re just a troll. Well, you got me to respond so that’s a win for you I guess.
For instance, if they classified people into “desirable” and “undesirable” and proposed that the undesirables should have fewer rights or be outright eliminated?
For instance. But are you going in the direction of “how about you then”? Because I do not approve of nazis, but imo everyone should have the right of their opinion an no one should be silenced or eliminated. I prefer them not to have any power, but that is my preference yet I still believe they should have as much right to be elected as I am. I just hoped people would be less dumb and recognize fake news and propaganda when voting. But yeah, people have a right to be dumb and fuck up the world and no one should be stripped of those rights.
You are contradicting yourself. Tolerating nazis literally means allowing a group that sports the core dictum that they are justified in silencing and eliminating whomever they deem fair game. The topic has been discussed and the result is settled since 1945. We had a whole war about it. The group of people who think they should get to kill everybody they say is inferior to them does not get to participate.
I never aid I tolerate them. I’m fighting hard against fake news, propaganda and their protests. Just because I fight them, doesn’t mean I believe they have less rights to their opinion or less rights to live. I just don’t agree with them and I want to fight them. I don’t want to be the same as them by putting them beneath me, taking away their rights. They have a right to their opinion, they have a right to protest and they have a right to get a beating whenever they protest against LGBTQ+, other ethnicities, or what so ever or when spreading Russian and other right wing propaganda. We can’t just silence, imprison and kill people we don’t agree with, that’s what nazis do.
We can show them they are wrong, we can fight them, we can show others what’s behind their mask, we can convict them of their crimes when they make them.
Freedom of speech doesn’t have an amendment saying “only if you agree with me”.
You may be surprised to hear that the situation is a bit more nuanced than that because freedom of speech is not, in fact, an unlimited freedom. Wherever different rights and freedoms overlap and endanger each other, every society must weigh them against each other and sometimes give preference to one freedom by limiting another. That means that certain ways of using free speech are not protected. One layman’s example that one keeps hearing would be shouting “fire” in a crowded theater. Certain calls for violence can be criminally prosecuted because they would endanger other people’s right to live, for example.
The reason behind these limitations to freedom of speech is the so-called “paradox of tolerance”. In essence, it says that a democratic society that tolerates even attempts to overthrow its core tenets will be upended by destructive ideologies unless active steps are taken to prevent that. While the absolutely tolerant society is basically a buffet to slaughter and usurp for authoritarian ideologies, a democratic society that wants to survive needs to be a defensive democracy that limits attacks on its core values. And there’s an excellent case to be made that the nazi ideology is in its very core not compatible with a democratic society, so much so that in multiple countries like for example germany, it is illegal to shout “heil hitler” or use one’s freedom of expression to further the nazi ideology. And they are speaking from experience.
Yeah I completely agree. But there’s a difference between silencing your opposition by banning their opinion and banning certain harmful words. I believe we shouldn’t silence them because we do not agree, we just need to fight their idiology and propaganda, and them whenever they endanger anyone else.
We shouldn’t ban anyone from speaking out their opinion, we should disapprove their opinion and argue they are wrong.
You say that, but you do approve of a group that separates people into desirables and undesirables and desires to eliminate the undesirables. Not just from their society, but from the Earth entire.
So I don’t believe you when you say you’re not a Nazi.
be real with me, are you just pretending to be this stupid?
Hahaha ooooh snap! You got me xD
No, you’re wrong.
I’m wrong that I don’t believe you?
I never said I approve of those groups, yet you say I did. So your conclusion is based on something I never said.
You approve a group as described, so as described, you’re the Nazi.
I do? I never said that. I do not approve of nazis, I fight against them. But somehow you keep saying I approve of them and keep calling me a nazi. So you’re just a troll. Well, you got me to respond so that’s a win for you I guess.
Except when you’re fighting against those who fight them. Like Israel.