Vance is one of the least popular vice-presidential picks this century.
    • EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      Palin at least gave grist for porn (nalin’ Palin). Furniture porn was hilarious before Vance, is still funnier without humans.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        I don’t know about that… but then I made sure to read about her past as mayor of Wasilla and before that. She is incredibly malicious and petty and vindictive.

      • jeffw@lemmy.worldOPM
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        3 months ago

        Vance 100% knows what he’s doing. He accepted that he had to sell his soul to become a successful politician.

  • N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I feel dirty saying good things about Sarah Palin, but she was brought on to fire up the base and did just that. Vance has managed to alienate the base. I don’t think the incels even like him at this point.

    • Vittelius@feddit.org
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      3 months ago

      Of course the incels don’t like him. He argues that childless people should pay higher taxes. How did anyone think that would go over with the “never even had sexual” constituency?

      • Yeller_king@reddthat.com
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        3 months ago

        I think the incel crowd generally want to strip women of their rights because they see women’s liberty as a main reason they can’t get laid.

        So, I’d imagine the childless cat women thing could hit with them because they’d be like “yeah, women should stop being so up-tight and have my babies!”

        Or something like that.

        • Bennettiquette@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          yeah, single women with no kids are childless cat ladies, but single men with no kids are just victims of the uncompromising selfishness of childless cat ladies. sounds about right.

      • collapse_already@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        3 months ago

        The dumb thing is: they already do. I get a deduction for my kid.

        I am sure the calculus had nothing to do with what the incels want - it’s not like they are going to change their vote.

        • Vittelius@feddit.orgEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Sure, but you get rewarded, they would get punished. The outcome might be the same, but for a ideology built on grievances, the vibes matter

      • barsquid@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Incels would agree to pay more money if it harms women. All incels hate each other, men who aren’t incels, themselves, and women. That’s in ascending order. They are full of hate.

        • Vittelius@feddit.orgEnglish
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          3 months ago

          Yes they would. And yes they do. And yes they are

          BUT…

          Incels also hate the cruel world that made them and the politicians upholding it. The problem with women isn’t, according to incel ideology, that they refuse to pick a partner. It’s that they pick the wrong partners. That’s where the dreaded “nice guy” comes from.

          So according to incels this doesn’t harm women enough but rather creates a tax on “normal men” for being “normal”. (And then they turn around and call themselves degenerates because their ideology isn’t the most consistent)

          Also if you are in these communities for long enough, then it becomes part of your identity. That’s how we get stuff like wizardchan. (People who believe that still being an incel at 30 makes you a wizard). And this is an attack on that from the outside.

        • Vittelius@feddit.org
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          3 months ago

          Yes they would. And yes they do. And yes they are

          BUT…

          Incels also hate the cruel world that made them and the politicians upholding it. The problem with women isn’t, according to incel ideology, that they refuse to pick a partner. It’s that they pick the wrong partners. That’s where the dreaded “nice guy” comes from.

          So according to incels this doesn’t harm women enough but rather creates a tax on “normal men” for being “normal”. (And then they turn around and call themselves degenerates because their ideology isn’t the most consistent)

          Also if you are in these communities for long enough, then it becomes part of your identity. That’s how we get stuff like wizardchan. (People who believe that still being an incel at 30 makes you a wizard). And this is an attack on that from the outside.

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Yeah people forget how long people looked favorably at Palin. The response to Vance meanwhile was an immediate and visceral “no thank you”

  • zcd@lemmy.ca
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    3 months ago

    He’s so spineless it’s baffling that they thought this would be a good choice?

    • Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Trump thought that he’d appeal to hillbillies and poor Midwesterners. Clearly he didn’t read Hilbilly Elegy beyond the title.

      If he did, he would have learned that, much like Clarence Thomas with black people, Vance paints all poor people in Ohio and Kentucky as lazy welfare recipients who should just pull themselves up by their bootstraps* and work harder 🙄

      *which was originally an expression for doing something literally impossible, as pulling on your own bootstraps would make you fall down.

      • RedAggroBest@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        It’s not that it makes you fall, it’s just a non-lever. If you sit on your ass plant your feet flat, then try and pull on your ankles to help yourself up, you’ll get the same effect where it’s actively a hindrance to getting up.

    • RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      That was a feature not a bug.

      Trump thought he was going to win and he wanted someone at VP who would throw the electoral college count into chaos and give him a third term.

    • Five@slrpnk.netEnglish
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      3 months ago

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      MBFC is a right-leaning credibility gatekeeper that classifies this advertising vehicle as left of center, but it should be remembered that ABC is a neoliberal tool of billionaire Bob Iger, who rescinded his membership in the Democratic Party in 2016 when Trump came to power, and now identifies as an independent voter. He has donated to both Democrat and Republican politicians and PACs, but has been a enemy to unionization and working people. His only allegiance is to the billionaire class.

      If you want to understand bias, follow the money. David Van Zandt’s site MBFC has a terrible track record of properly vetting sites for bias, and should not be featured here as an authority. Any news that is ‘left-leaning’ coming from ABC news exists in spite of its fundamental right-wing bias.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          True, although he also had a history of cancer and other medical issues and cancer was what finally killed him. Being president ages you a lot unless you’re lazy as fuck like Trump. McCain was a lot of things, but lazy was not one of them. I think there was a decent chance he wouldn’t have survived his first term.

  • Artyom@lemm.ee
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    3 months ago

    Sarah Palin was like a dog that peed on themselves because they’re an idiot. Vance is like a dog that bites their owner because they’re an idiot. Sure, Palin was dumb, but Vance is a real threat to all Americans.

    • cybervseas@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Don’t tell Kristi Noem. I bet she still keeps her favorite gravel pit in great condition, just in case.

    • RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Palin was a joke because John McCain was at the top of the ticket.

      If it was she was second to Trump and being groomed by the Heritage Foundation and their Project 2025, she would be scary too.

  • rustydrd@sh.itjust.works
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    3 months ago

    Considering that Vance’s biggest accomplishment so far is writing a best-selling book, in which he cosplays as a poor person while trashing rural Americans, this about checks out.

    • Godnroc@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      I think there’s a fun bit of linguistics there. If you say more unpopular it implies that both are unpopular and one is even more so. If you say less popular, it implies that they are both popular, but one is to a lesser degree.

      • norimee@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        For me, less popular would also include people who are indifferent about them, just less people exited. Doesn’t necessarily mean that people really dislike them.

        More unpopular seems to me there are more people who are actively against them, dislike them.

        I can be not popular, without being unpopular at all.

        But english isn’t my native or main language, so…

  • haunte@leminal.spaceEnglish
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    3 months ago

    He’s in the running to unseat Dan Quayle as the most mocked and out of depth VP pick of all time. The race is his to win.

    • cybervseas@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      3 months ago

      Never forget that Pence was maybe even considering going along with Trump on J6, but Dan Quayle the potatoe man talked him out of it.

      Quayle was adamant, according to the authors. “Mike, you have no flexibility on this. None. Zero. Forget it. Put it away,” he said.

      But Pence pressed him, the authors write, asking if there were any grounds to pause the certification because of ongoing legal challenges. Quayle was unmoved, and Pence ultimately agreed, according to the book.

      https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/09/dan-quayle-convinced-mike-pence-to-reject-trumps-coup.html

      • mPony@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Quayle was unmoved, and Pence ultimately agreed

        In the name of Murphy Brown I never thought I’d say this: Thank God for fucking Dan Quayle, of all people. once MAGA is in the dustbin of history that doofus should run for office on the platform of actually having saved democracy.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          Dan Quayle is an idiot and an asshole, but unlike the current crop of Republicans, he actually wants the system to work. He doesn’t want everything to collapse for his grandkids.