Russian President Vladimir Putin promised Friday to 'immediately' order a ceasefire in Ukraine and begin negotiations if Kyiv started withdrawing troops from the four regions annexed by Moscow in 2022 and renounced plans to join NATO.
If Ukraine wanted a deal that was in their favor, they would have implemented the Minsk agreements that they signed, and most of the war would have been averted and they would have been able to keep Donbas. But for Azov it was always about ethnic cleansing Eastern Ukraine, so even that was a nonstarter.
Russia is the one engaged in ethnic cleansing. Ukraine was strong armed into signing the Minsk agreement, and Russia dissolved it before their invasion. It’s almost like ceding territory to Russia for ceasefires is a futile process of appeasement that will result in piecemeal conquest by the invaders.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. If that wouldn’t have happened, there wouldn’t be any war, because the ‘separatists’ movements were just a bunch of hobos. This is confirmed by Strelkov and Borodai. Are you gonna object them?
Russia invaded for territory. It’s not unprecedented, it’s one of the most common reasons for a country to invade a neighbor, and they’ve done it before.
So is this what someone told you and you believed it, or are you just straight making shit up?
Merkel (and others, but most famously Merkel) openly boasted about how the Minsk Agreements were designed to buy more time to arm Ukraine for the conflict they were intentionally and actively trying to provoke, and weren’t ever serious attempts at peace. What Russia did wrong in that case was to be apparently stupid enough to believe Ukraine and the western backers would honor the Minsk Agreements. Russia rolling into Ukraine was a result of the breaking of Minsk.
Sounds like we’re in agreement that Russia broke the ceasefire by invading.
As for the stationing of troops and equipment, it’s well documented they were sending shipments of equipment in weekly.
In regards to Ukraine arming themselves, no shit, they had just been invaded. There was nothing in the Minsk agreement that said Ukraine couldn’t defend itself from future invasions. Russia was party to the Minsk agreements, and required to remove their forces and military equipment, but did the opposite, sending more. Germany was not forbidden by the agreements to assist Ukraine.
Sounds like we’re in agreement that Russia broke the ceasefire by invading.
Not really, no. A ceasefire becomes void when on of those who agreed to it starts, you know, firing.
It doesn’t matter whether Germany was forbidden from “assisting” Ukraine, the point is that it is openly known that the West had no intention of honoring the agreements and used them only as a ploy. If you want to cynically claim ‘that’s just shrewd military tactics, it’s Russia’s own fault for believing NATO/Ukraine’s coup regime promises, ceasefires don’t mean shit, lol!’ then fine, but you can’t then hold the position that Russia are the ones who can’t be trusted with agreements or that they are the ones who broke the agreements.
There was nothing in the Minsk agreement that said Ukraine couldn’t defend itself from future invasions.
There was plenty in there about not continuing to shell Donetsk, which of course they did, frequently killing civilians.
Who started firing first? Russian-led militants took the town of Debaltseve by force six days after the agreement was signed.
The shelling was in response to Russian-led forces in Donetsk launching attacks with tanks mortars and artillery that also killed civilians. It seems like you’re upset about Ukraine defending themselves while hand-waving the role Russia played in instigating and perpetuating the conflict by invading sovereign territory with their military.
If Ukraine wanted a deal that was in their favor, they would have implemented the Minsk agreements that they signed, and most of the war would have been averted and they would have been able to keep Donbas. But for Azov it was always about ethnic cleansing Eastern Ukraine, so even that was a nonstarter.
Russia is the one engaged in ethnic cleansing. Ukraine was strong armed into signing the Minsk agreement, and Russia dissolved it before their invasion. It’s almost like ceding territory to Russia for ceasefires is a futile process of appeasement that will result in piecemeal conquest by the invaders.
You don’t know what started the conflict, do you? You think Russia invaded just for gits and shiggles.
Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014. If that wouldn’t have happened, there wouldn’t be any war, because the ‘separatists’ movements were just a bunch of hobos. This is confirmed by Strelkov and Borodai. Are you gonna object them?
Russia invaded for territory. It’s not unprecedented, it’s one of the most common reasons for a country to invade a neighbor, and they’ve done it before.
lmao okay bud maybe try reading something at some point
Sorry but most people don’t read Pravda
You would benefit from reading an alphabet book.
Ukraine dissolved the Minsk agreement by breaking it, moron
Russia broke it by stationing soldiers and military equipment in Donetsk and Luhansk. They also broke the ceasefire by invading.
So is this what someone told you and you believed it, or are you just straight making shit up?
Merkel (and others, but most famously Merkel) openly boasted about how the Minsk Agreements were designed to buy more time to arm Ukraine for the conflict they were intentionally and actively trying to provoke, and weren’t ever serious attempts at peace. What Russia did wrong in that case was to be apparently stupid enough to believe Ukraine and the western backers would honor the Minsk Agreements. Russia rolling into Ukraine was a result of the breaking of Minsk.
Sounds like we’re in agreement that Russia broke the ceasefire by invading.
As for the stationing of troops and equipment, it’s well documented they were sending shipments of equipment in weekly.
In regards to Ukraine arming themselves, no shit, they had just been invaded. There was nothing in the Minsk agreement that said Ukraine couldn’t defend itself from future invasions. Russia was party to the Minsk agreements, and required to remove their forces and military equipment, but did the opposite, sending more. Germany was not forbidden by the agreements to assist Ukraine.
Not really, no. A ceasefire becomes void when on of those who agreed to it starts, you know, firing.
It doesn’t matter whether Germany was forbidden from “assisting” Ukraine, the point is that it is openly known that the West had no intention of honoring the agreements and used them only as a ploy. If you want to cynically claim ‘that’s just shrewd military tactics, it’s Russia’s own fault for believing NATO/Ukraine’s coup regime promises, ceasefires don’t mean shit, lol!’ then fine, but you can’t then hold the position that Russia are the ones who can’t be trusted with agreements or that they are the ones who broke the agreements.
There was plenty in there about not continuing to shell Donetsk, which of course they did, frequently killing civilians.
Who started firing first? Russian-led militants took the town of Debaltseve by force six days after the agreement was signed.
The shelling was in response to Russian-led forces in Donetsk launching attacks with tanks mortars and artillery that also killed civilians. It seems like you’re upset about Ukraine defending themselves while hand-waving the role Russia played in instigating and perpetuating the conflict by invading sovereign territory with their military.