How long until these are banned ?
Regardless of bans, I’ve heard these cars are INCREDIBLY hard to import. Not only is getting permits for them difficult, but many places selling them domestically have gone around the laws regarding them, resulting in people’s Kei trucks being taken by the government and shipped back to Japan on their dime.
It’s not an easy thing to get into.
It’s already happening in some states
We are the party of free market capitalism! We won’t allow rules to stop us from polluting the shit out of everything, we won’t allow rules that will make the world better! We only allow rules that block the competitors of our biggest bribers
Free market for me, not for thee.
This is it basically. People think free markets are bad for humanity, but all the problems are for when people just reach out and stop the free market from happening.
That’s government’s job: maintain an actually free market, where new people can come in and give people what they want, when the existing guys fail to do so.
It takes active input of energy to maintain that state of affairs. There will always be people who want to take control of it in unfair ways and get profit without providing the best value to the people, and it’s in our collective best interests to stop those people. So it’s legit to spend taxes on things like breaking up monopolies or maintaining infrastructure.
Free market doesn’t mean it happens naturally. It used to happen more naturally, because the total amount of power a person could wield over others was limited. But ever since we’ve had armies and ultra wealthy families and huge companies, all of which can exert power over individuals, a free market is a thing which requires government enforcement to maintain.
I think our problem might be that our government isn’t financially dominant. It is militarily dominant, and so it’s able to maintain the relative safety that comes from having a monopoly on violence. But the government doesn’t have a monopoly on financial power and so it can be overpowered by money.
Already are banned in a few states, relegated to being registered as off road vehicles only.
I saw in the article that they are legal in 19 states. I did not see the off road vehicle bit. Interesting, and thanks.
We have these trucks in Taiwan. It’s quite literally the majority of the trucks on the road. These things are not allowed on the highways because a crash in them will result in likely death.
Instead they are only allowed on local roads where our speeds don’t reach anything more than 40km/hr. Even then, the crashes I have seen in them, the driver is always hurt.
I know Lemmy likes to dream about owning a kei truck. But keep in mind that these trucks are not safe in crashes. They were never designed with the speeds that Americans see on a daily basis.
How’s my /keitruck subreddit doing? I got banned from reddit as a different username at the IP level so I have no clue. I was thinking about starting it again here on our own instance but it’s been a struggle with de-googlelizing my life at the moment. But maybe someone else has one already? Time to leave that rotten place behind.
Nah I’m good.
I currently drive on a daily basis a Toyota Corolla… I purchased it for the sake of saving as much money as possible overall with said vehicle. I’m 6’0 245lbs - not obese mind you… and I’m genuinely tired of getting in and out of that car. Absofkinlutely NO way am I buying another sedan. Next vehicle is a big boy full sized SUV or pickup truck. I want to climb into my vehicle not damn near tear my knee just trying to get into my vehicle.
I’m 6’4" and 250 lbs and I drive either a small Volvo station wagon or a VW GTI. I fit in them just fine and my knees aren’t a problem. Hell, the seats in my Volvo are so good I sit in them when my back hurts.
I want to climb into my vehicle and not damn near tear my knee
More evidence for my theory that the prevalence of SUVs and trucks is because old people can’t handle low cars, and old people are the only ones buying new cars at the moment.
Damn son, I’m not old haha
You’re buying a bigger car because your knees hurt, which is pretty old.
Well for a few reasons. Bulk groceries (Sam’s club / Costco), we use the van for that. Same thing when I need to purchase large items from hardware stores. Or even transport large items. But yeah, the way I get into my car, I have to bend my left knee in such a way that it sometimes produces a sharp pain in the inside of my knee. If I try to get into the driver seat like a woman, which is butt in first rather than right leg in first, I end up hitting the top/back part of my head on the top door frame.
If it was an integrity issue with my knee(s), I wouldn’t be squatting 500lbs+.
All of that is a pretty boomer mentality, my dude. I can fit tons of stuff in my two small cars and if there’s something huge I get it delivered or rent a truck.
Okay, I’m a boomer. A boomer that in hopefully a couple years (when the market gets back to normal) will finally own a truck <3
Your knees sound 65+
I’m about your size- I was comfortable in a Mini Cooper. I still regret trading it in.
Sounds less like your car hurting you and more likely your lack of mobility. Try stretching?
I do mobility work for sure. In the realm of powerlifting, it’s necessary. Otherwise injuries will definitely occur sooner or later, regardless of the weight.
How often do you sit cross legged on the floor? A lot of stretching routines are basic maintenance but getting to actual comfort is a different thing entirely. Getting up regularly and relaxing into floor sitting while watching tv has done me wonders personally. The first while is rough though.
Don’t get an SUV or Raised truck. They might be comfortable but they are dangerous to other vehicles on the road.
Yeah shrug, I’m decently taller and heavier than you are, and my daily is a recent ford focus, and serves me well. Perhaps that Carolla is just a bad fit rather than the whole class of car?
How the hell do you get into your car? If I get into my Corolla without bending my other knee like I’m trying to tear ligaments and tendons, opposing knee will smash into my steering wheel.
I sit butt first into the driver’s seat, then rotate legs under the wheel, and then I’m in, no crazy knee positions etc
idk, I’m 6’6 and I despise having to drive full size pickups and SUVs. they’re made for short people to feel tall. A decent proportion I can’t even see street lights in lol.
The cars that have been good for me have been weird, like my s10 fits me better than any full size truck, outbacks and other cuv aren’t bad either, especially newer ones. I’ve heard there are sedans that are better fit for taller/bigger people, but I haven’t looked much there
Damn that’s crazy. I also own a Honda Odyssey (Mini-van) and that has a lot of room. I’ve driven in Yukons, Suburbans, Tahoes, Sierras, and Escalades, all of these vehicles feel incredibly roomy. However, I’d rather stick to Toyota, just haven’t gotten into a Tundra or Sequoia.
I’m 6’0 245lbs - not obese mind you…
Technically obese. You’d have to lose 25 lbs to not be obese.
Of course Obesity is defined by BMI, and BMI is probably not as good as BRI and you might be closer to healthy by waist circumference. However your weight is probably not as healthy as you might think it is.
I’m assuming he is some kind of weight training person, and given the squat from another post, strength athlete. Dude is most likely pretty jacked, not fat
Strong is not mutually exclusive with fat.
I have a friend who made ability to lift heavy stuff basically his whole identity. Correlated with that was at any gathering he made a big show of eating just way more than everyone else because he’s a “big guy” and his muscles demand that much. So long as he could lift, obviously he must be fit, he works out after all. Basically his concept of masculinity is lift the heaviest stuff and eat the most stuff.
Now he’s struggling with diabetes and liver problems, despite being crazy strong. Never did cardio, and ate way more than he needed.
Yes, BMI can be misleading and being a bit muscular can have a higher BMI and be healthier than BMI says, but odds are if you are up in the obese territory, you probably are packing a lot of visceral fat screwing up your gut.
So I’m not strictly a powerlifter. My first 15 years of gym training was for the sake of size (bodybuilding), once I reached a certain size I decided to move onto powerlifting for the sake of strength. However, in order to maintain my size I mix both powerlifting with bodybuilding, or what we call, “powerbuilding”. After two years of strict powerlifting, I noticed smaller muscle groups were getting outshined by other muscle groups and it was causing not just visual imbalances / asymmetry but also strength and stability imbalances (the heavier the weight the more strength you need in all working muscles and these muscles also need to keep me stabilized throughout the movement) which was impacting my bench press for example.
So at best, I can promise you, I’m not obese. Obese for me would be entering about 25% BF, which would push my weight to around 270lbs if not a little more than that.
LOL.
Haha, as I mentioned elsewhere, my assumption was you are jacked, not fat?
I sit at about 13% bodyfat at this weight, per DEXA scan. At 230lbs, I sit at the lower end of 9% bodyfat. Or at least that’s what it was last year. Once a year I lean out then get a DEXA scan done to compare percentages of bodyfat vs muscle mass, this gives me an idea, on paper, if my muscle mass has increased or not.
Because there’s a market for functional, minimalist vehicles that do a job and don’t require 8 or more years of payments. Trucks have become status symbols more often than not.
I just want a Kei car in Germany
Been to Japan lately. There are even Kei Fire Trucks, for the many small roads with wooden houses and shrines etc.
And then there are hundreds of different kei truck and van types for all purposes, even concrete mixers.
Also, private houses in cities are often small and space-saving and so are the cars. A sensible use of public space – and cars only park on private property or rented parking spaces.
WHAT IS THE WHITE HONDA?
I’ve wanted an upgrade to my element but this looks adorbs and 4 door.
Looks like an N-Box. The rear doors are sliding.
TYVM
This is just freaking adorable!
The fire truck’s not a kei-- keis have yellow plates
Ok that black van model goes way harder than it has any right to
These are rad. Weird they’re not more popular internationally.
Neither the fire truck nor the concrete truck are Kei class vehicles.
They are small diesel trucks, yes, but Kei literally means ‘light’ and have strict weight limits on both the weight of the vehicle and how much load they can carry.
I will promise you that those two are not even close to the size of traditional versions you’ll see in Germany.
Well, those are also not vehicles that the average citizen buys. In a certain way they follow the same design philosophy.
That much is certainly true. It’s such a shame that small trucks are not available to buy new in the US.
I guess the size has something to do with the size of Japanese roads and back alley space?
Yes in some neighborhoods and villages the roads are so narrow that they can practically only be driven on by Kei cars.
Japan as an Island has limited space available for natural reasons, plus large parts of the country are mountain area. So the old cities have been built in plains and reached high density. Building is strictly regulated.
And that has also grown into the culture. The Japanese sense for efficiency is legendary and so you simply don’t waste space. And in general, you don’t show off with oversized cars. Understatement is part of the general habitus. Shintoism and Buddhism have deep roots and that certainly plays a role too.
Man, I always thought the bigger SUVs looked like those oversized clown shoes, but the size comparison picture does drive home just how much dead air is in them.
I had a 2016 GMC Sierra. Cost $100 a week to take my son to daycare. Sold it and got a Sienna Hybrid and a classic truck for hauling shit. I hate all the technology in cars these days. My van tracks me and in the app it says “this feature can be disabled but the tracking will not stop” or to that affect. Garbage.
I too am fed up with all the data rape. Fuck off car companies, greedy assholes.
It’s not just FUD either, this shit is actively happening NOW: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/11/technology/carmakers-driver-tracking-insurance.html
After you traded your Sierra for a Sienna, did you take a Siesta?
five-speed manual transmission
I like having an automatic transmission.
You know they come in automatic, too? 4-speed, usually.
So you don’t like actually driving.
You’re goddamn right I don’t, but I don’t have a choice due to where I live. A car is a tool to me, in the same way that a vacuum cleaner or a push lawnmower is a tool. The most important thing a car should do for me is reliably get me from point a to point b in relative comfort. I could give a fuck about the “true driving experience” of a manual transmission.
But has he owned an Alfa?
What is the too small for road safety thing? That’s pure bullshit, right? Smart cars are legal, how can these not be?
Give us cheap EVs and small trucks god damnit!!!
It might be more about what vehicles share the road. SUVs and pickups tend to cause the majority of fatalities in crashes because their bumper height basically being non compatible with cars and vans and their larger blindspots… That design might not play particularly well with the Keis in crash situations.
But that being said SUVs and raised pickups are menaces to road safety across the board and we should be looking at phasing them out.
They don’t pass US federal crash tests, probably because of the lack of crumple zone, so they can’t be imported until they’re 25 years old. Which doesn’t make them any safer, but I guess rules are rules:
Because the trucks don’t meet Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards, they’re legal to import only 25 years after having been manufactured. Then, it’s up to each state to decide whether to allow them on public roads.
I have one. No crumple zone. No airbags. Slow acceleration. Can’t reach highway speeds. No headrest.
But it’s my favorite car ever. I just treat it like I’m riding a motorcycle. I’m dead in an accident, so I try to be hyper-aware.
I guess it’s just the lack of any crumple zone, similar to the VW van your legs are essentially the crumple zone.
Yeah, I’d imagine it’s fine down gridlocked Tokyo streets where you might be doing 20mph.
Probably not so good in a 70mph highway collision though.
IIRC, these things exist to exploit a legal loophole around vehicle registration in Japan as well. Safety is not the highest concern lol
Sounds like some lack basic safety equipment like seat-belts.
How about an e-GMP version?
Reminder that due to the chicken tax, these vehicles have to be 25 years old before they can be imported.
The big problem is, these vehicles were built to 30 year old safety standards - no vehicle from the 1990’s (except maybe a SAAB, and even then they’re not strong enough anymore and will fail a small offset frontal) can compete with a modern car in safety requirements.
There is also the fact that these vehicles have been around for 25 years, and have that amount of age and wear on their platform - they won’t be as strong as they originally were off the production line.
I call bs, a motorcycle provides way less protection. And which states are they illegal in? Lobbying and another money grab from corporations in our “free market” society. I would love one of these BTW.
Motorcycles have different licensing requirements, and come with caveat emptor that they are inherently unsafe in a motor vehicle accident.
That’s not to say bikes don’t have any safety at all… there is R&D that goes into making them safe in a collision… as safe as they can be.
That’s not to say bikes don’t have any safety at all… there is R&D that goes into making them safe in a collision… as safe as they can be.
Yup. I survived a high-side collision after being sideswiped by an SUV. Thanks to modern safety gear, I only had minor injuries with little long-term beyond an ankle to lets me sense slight changes in atmospheric pressure.
Why can’t we just accept that the KEI is less safe then?
Anyone who buys a Kei car already knows this just by looking at it.
I’m always shocked by this. In a world with seatbelt laws, crumple zones, backup cameras, pinch protection, etc we allow people to ride motorcycles that consistently get injured or killed. How they haven’t gotten banned or stupidly restricted is beyond me. Even with a motorcycle lane, getting in a wreck at 75mph would be seriously bad.
In my state, I’m pretty sure you can ride a motorcycle legally with a helmet and a tshirt on, but get pulled over and fined for not wearing a seatbelt, lol.
The seat belt is to prevent you from being thrown through the glass and body/frame of the vehicle. Because that’s generally what kills unseatbelted people in a wreck. A motorcyclist will be thrown from their vehicle if hit but is much less likely to hit that vehicle at 70mph. That’s why you dress for the slide so to speak. It’s about how you land as much as anything. And when you’re inside a vehicle and being tossed around you are basically a reverse pinata.
Even if you could get a new one, I don’t think they’d meet US safety standards. Not even close.
Mind you, the US has to have stringent safety standards because we have gigantic vehicles in the first place.
Kei vehicles are exempt from most Japanese safety standards, because they’re meant for city driving with max speeds of 40-60 kph and everyone driving them knows and acknowledges that you’re just fucked if you get into an accident at speeds higher than that (and not doing great even at 40kph). It’s an explicit trade of safety for lower cost
Thank god someone said it. This comment makes the most sense of any of the comments I’ve read so far.
no vehicle from the 1990’s (except maybe a SAAB, and even then they’re not strong enough anymore and will fail a small offset frontal) can compete with a modern car in safety requirements.
Americans keep building bigger trucks and raising speed limits, then bemoaning how small vehicles aren’t safe enough to survive an 80mph impact with a 10,000 pound vehicle.
You think these Keis are dangerous? Try riding a bike.
I’d love to ride a train to work. Play on my steam deck on the way home and not have to worry about getting stuck in traffic for hours. Visiting Washington DC and riding the metro everywhere ruined me, now I look at a five lane at road and say “This is bullshit!”.
And if you get it from Japan it’s right hand drive so visibility of the incoming lane is crap as well…
Also, for Kei trucks specifically, cab over engine vehicles are unsafe in frontal collisions no matter what, even modern ones, that’s why there’s no regular passenger vehicle built like that anymore and it’s only heavier vehicles (like moving trucks) that have this setup, they don’t fall under the same safety regulations.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24499113/
Conclusions: Although we are generally concerned that drivers of small vehicles suffer more severe injuries, our results suggest that, for real-world accidents, K-cars provide similar safety for drivers involved in frontal collisions as standard vehicles in low delta V impact conditions.
Not all Kei cars are Kei trucks with cab over wheels.
“Low delta V impact”. I’m sure a car from the 50s deals with front collisions at 30kph fairly well, but go watch a crash test at highway speeds and tell me you would feel safe.
Freaking lol
I’d honestly love one of these, depending in if it’s powerful enough to haul a decently heavy load up a hill.
I woodwork as a hobby, and have been wanting an old truck for a while, but the used truck market is pretty insane right now. All I want is an old beater with a reliable engine and a standard sized bed that’s capable of hauling sheet goods (4ft wide) without hassle.
This would check those marks. If the price was right, I’d happily drive this little guy around.
Instead, the market is full of ridiculously sized pickups with tiny truck beds because either the cab is huge, or they waste so much space making the truck look “tough” that the beds shrink narrower than 4ft.
As long as I can get a small truck in a V6 so that I don’t stall out hauling something heavy like cement bags, I’m in.
Most kei trucks have 3 cylinders. A few have 4. Here’s a starting point.. Here’s another.
A guy in a common group as me owns https://luckysminitrucks.com
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Yeah, I’ve considered that too. Neither of us have a car with a hitch, and we don’t have a good place to store a trailer for extended periods of time, but it’s an option I’m considering for sure.
U-Haul trailer when you need it?
Essentially what I’ve been doing. HD rental truck. But truck availability and requiring multiple round trips to return and pick up my car means I put it off until I’m blocked, and then needlessly stock up on sheet goods that I might need in the future, but ultimately sit around for a year or two before I use them.
But yeah, this is what I’m doing while I bide my time for truck prices to drop. And I’ve push back a bunch of projects that rely on ply because I just don’t want to deal with the hassle.
To your point, I bet the trailers are probably more readily available. The trucks themselves are very hit or miss in my experience. But there always seems to be trailers in the lot.
Look into Telo trucks. Modern, electric, safe, small. I know they haven’t launched yet, but i have high hopes they get everyone rethinking their pickup choices.
If you are in the US, look into minivans, or cargo vans. They are not popular here, so you’re not paying the pretty tax on them, and most vans with the rear seats removed can easily fit 4x8 plywood in the back. A beater van with a strong engine should be a lot cheaper than a beater pickup truck.
Yeah, I used to borrow my parents van on occasion, but they got a newer model of the same van (Odyssey) that could no longer fit sheet goods.
Also was pretty awkward tying the trunk door on the occasions where I needed longer material, which I would be doing more of nowadays. And TBH, despite my best efforts to pad things and load materials gently, I did scrap up the interior a bit, which wouldn’t be a factor with a truck.
A work van might do, though. Those seem pretty huge.
Okay I want a broke down one of these, an crate electric motor, and a lifepo4 battery pack
Used commonly in railway maintenance in Japan! This budget friendly truck is favoured by JR which want to cut budget on everything.
Any idea what that MOW truck is for? The second cab in the rear is really throwing me off.
The 2nd cab is just so they can drive forward in either direction on the rail.
For towing ?
If it was just for towing it wouldnt have a cab in the rear like that.
That’s nowhere in the same size class as OPs. It’s just the same style with a cab-forward design. It’s probably a 3-ton.
How about this?
That’s the same model. Its a much heavier duty truck than these little flitter trucks referred to in the OP.
I’m not sure what you’re not understanding here.
Should be correct now? Not really good at identifying car.
That’s more like it.
