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People have to be willing to give things a try, so I think it will definitely grow. I was never a Reddit user, I tried this on a whim, just to try and have conversations with different people. The one good thing is that there are many functional apps, and you will only see things you are interested in, and when you don’t, you down vote it.
But ultimately it’s still the same echo chamber that all social media is, but without ads.
All social media, and irl too, has biases. As we do ofc - e.g. we linux Linux, especially Arch btw:-P - but it seems to me that the Fediverse is fundamentally different, b/c of the nature of consent.
On Facebook, YouTube, Twitter/X, and Reddit now that it is acting more like the former, ThE aLgOrItHm makes choices for you, whereas here if you want to create an echo chamber, you have to put in a LOT of effort to ensure that you are never exposed to anything that you would disagree with.
For one thing, you would have to subscribe to communities first, and those would have to have enough content to hold your interest, which means a continual search for more of such communities. Scrolling through the All feed would absolutely be prohibited if you wanted to make an echo chamber for yourself.
Again, literally every social media platform has biases, but here those do not rise to the level of “echo chamber”, imho? I do concede that it is not entirely unlike one of those, and yet on the spectrum, aren’t we far less than most other common platforms?
I think it’s really easy to make an echo chamber here, make a community and only follow said community? I enjoy Lemmy, because look,we are having legitimate conversations, but some posts I have come across - it’s like no conversation, just putting down an opposite point of view.
Me personally, I do my best to try and avoid the political stuff, but even that is difficult at times.
But yes, subscribe to the communities and if the content is there, great, if not, make some or help promote it.
Okay so it is theoretically possible but is it plausible that this could be a common use-case?
Anyway, you said “it’s still the same echo chamber that all social media is” - and that statement goes far beyond using the Fediverse as an echo chamber to say that it is that way for everyone (further implication: all the time). i.e. the most command-language interpretation of your words would be that they meant that that tiny little theoretical possibility is what this place is, therefore I wanted to point out that there is so much more to consider, e.g. there are other ways to use it.
Ok… it’s not that serious. Enjoy your day.
Don’t downvote stuff just because you’re not interested in it! There’s no algorithm you’re training, you’re just being rude to people.
Downvotes should be for worthless content and people being dicks.
I agree - no algorithm - but if someone is posting 💩 then it’s 💩 they get. Hey if I post 💩 I would fully expect that. Lol
so downvote most things on lemmy then?
Ironically your comment is the only one I’ve seen in this post that qualifies.
I run many small communities and it kills me when people from “all” downvote stuff.
If you don’t care about the topic, block the community or skip the posts
Correct. If you don’t like the content in the community, then why be there? Just join things that interest you, no need to be a 💩
Still hang around both. But I’ve noticed I’ve had more to engage with on Lemmy lately, which is great.
Way to fucking jinx it.
As long as it doesn’t become Reddit 2.0.
It will if Lemmy becomes successful. It will have to stay tiny and very niche. Or else all communities have to deal with Eternal September if they start getting a lot of users. Then communities will gravitate towards the same lowest common denominator content and comments seen elsewhere.
Nah, that’s the whole point of federation. To keep it from becoming Reddit. The problem with Reddit isn’t that it’s big, it’s that it’s highly censored on a wide variety of topics that aren’t anywhere near offensive but simply counter to Western hegemony.
It won’t. Some instances will get close, like Lemmy.world, but federation makes Lemmy fundamentally different.
That’s nice. Hopefully thanks to this outcome. More niche hobbyist community’s will appear on lemmy
And hopefully less tankiesI would like to see more posts and communities that bring more people togetherLemmy hasn’t really gotten over the fragmentation of communities. There are multiple gaming subs, some have double digit users, some have thousands. That shit needs to be consolidated.
I mean, some of those are fragmented for a reason. Like, !gaming@beehaw.org is pretty decent, but beehaw.org has a low bar for defederating from other instances, and has defederated from lemmy.world, which is the largest Lemmy instance, so anyone using lemmy.world as their home instance can’t use that community.
Beehaw.org’s not gonna refederate due to the split – that was intentional. The people on !gaming@beehaw.org aren’t gonna shut down their community, because they can’t use !games@lemmy.world. Ditto for lemmy.world people on !games@lemmy.world; they can’t use !gaming@beehaw.org.
I subscribe to and enjoy both communities.
What was the drama there?
I don’t know the specifics.
It’s happening.
!mapporn@lemmy.world got locked to consolidate people to !map_enthusiasts@sopuli.xyz
We discuss this in !fedigrow@lemm.ee, if that’s something that interests you
Reddit is like that too though, games, gaming, videogames, gamers, pcgaming, etc.
True, but Lemmy doesn’t have the number of users needed to populate so many subs.
I would like to see more posts and communities that bring more people together and not apart. Arts and crafts,Gaming,music,History,Exercise,Cooking,foraging Essentially the world’s the oyster. There’s a million hobbies out there I would hope there’s a good amount of Lemmy communities based upon those hobbies
Be the change you want to see - share interesting posts, start communities if you see a niche, etc.
Reddit is getting worse.
Anyone noticed they’ve added tracking into the url?
They’re AI banning more and more people for nonsense.
My perma-banned account still works well enough, I just can’t comment or up/downvote. I can still subscribe and use RES.
Been a long time user and my 13 year old account banned because i said something bad about Putin. Deleted all reddit apps, my account’s posts and whatnot, and now I’m here. Already digging this site.
apparently you can still edit your comments with a banned account. some day when i’m really bored i’ll go through and start editing all my comments on my 10+ yr old permabanned accts to be 10,000 characters of n̸̢̡̡̟̣̝̖͉̺̟̫̜̱̬̗̜̗̋̇ớ̷̢̧̡̦͍̝̖̣̪͉͕͕̙̖̭͔̯̪͚̯̳͇̻̬̺̲͓̞̫̦̝̮͉̞̣͖̻̮͔͍̤̺͕̦̓͑͗̀̂͋̍̆͛̂̏̽͐͘̕͠͠͝n̸̨̞͖̫̭̱̯̬̩̲͎̫̟͇͚̪̜̤̟͓͕̜̟̖̻̗͙̭̣̼͂͌͆̿̏̐͑́͘͝s̴̢̢̧̧̰̼̳̼̳̞̠̯̙̗̏̽̓̿̏̈́̀͑͂̀͊̏̆̎͑̚͜ȩ̴̛̪̻͍͙̰̥͖̱̘͚̦̻̎̏͑̊͂̈́̿̇̃̌̍́̽̌̒̊̃́͌̀̿̉̔́̑̕̕͘̚͠͝n̸̛̦͌͌̔͆͛͐̄̃͊̓̾͂͂s̷̛̼͙̞̬͙̠͉̖͙͎͇͓̫͓̺̯͈̣͍̮͑̃̐̑̌̃̔̇̚̚͝͝͠e̴̢̛͎̣̱͚͈̝̮̥͇̭͈̐̎̄̔̾͆̉̓́̂́̋̉̋̀̔̄̂̍͋̒̄̈́͐͂͐͘͘͜͝͠
I got banned because a mod found one of my comments distasteful and I accidentally commented on one of my alts. It’s ludicrous what those mods get away with.
I told a bot message to go fuck itself and a human mod took offense.
Welcome!
Already digging this site.
No, this is Lemmy. Digg is already dead.
Digg’s death is what led me to Reddit. Reddit’s death led me here. I wonder where I’ll be when Lemmy eventually dies or if I’ll just die before it does. 🤔
I would want some federated more traditional forums instead of a reddit approach, that would have so many advantages, like threads not dying this often and just being easier to navigate
There is the LemmyBB frontend.
Both Discourse and NodeBB are working on fediverse integration, Discourse’s is already live but they are still adding features to it
I can’t envision a federated service dying. Even if it’s me pedaling a bike to run a raspberry pi hosting an instance that’s just me posting it’ll exist.
I can’t envision a federated service dying
The only way Lemmy could “die” would be if it is surpassed by a similar project (like Sublinks, Piefed, Mbin). If that project is also part of the fediverse, that wouldn’t necessarily be a bad thing.
If the fediverse is so cool how come there’s no fediverse 2 huh???
Same, both Digg leading to Reddit, and Reddit to Lemmy
Welcome! Honestly Lemmy is so chill and you don’t feel sucked into it the way you do on Reddit.
One used to be able to disable the outbound click on Reddit, in the account settings, but default they track everything.
I think we are now in a positive cycle:
- More and more useful comments are posted,
- Which means more people get interested,
- which attracts more and more people to the platform
- That increases the quality and quantity of posts/comments/etc.
- etc.
Hey, ya get what ya pay for. Pay a little money, get a little quality. Pay a LOT of money, get a LOT of quality.
Well, I didn’t get paid ANYTHING to be here, so you can imagine the quality of MY posts!
Hey, why did the poop walk into the poop?
To poop to the other poop! :D
See? Just zero quality…
It’s beans worthy quality content.
This is fun but partially incorrect; yes, more money is better quality, however zero money means infinite quality. Prove me wrong, exhibit A is “the other site”.
it was nice seeing some gardening stuff pop up in my feed the other day rather than just a constant stream of facebook tier memes and tankie vs non-tankie arguing
Hey, there’s a lot non tankies arguing with each other too.
You fool.
The gardening community is really nice
it’ll be nice when i can move somewhere that has a garden
I’ve been here since the API changes at Reddit and the sub blackouts that followed, and I think it’s becoming more interesting all the time. Back in the early days there was no point in refreshing the /all feed more than once every 4 hours as it just wouldn’t have changed, now it’s much more than that. The number of posts with actual discussions are increasing, and other than a few blocked users, communities and one instance, I like the people I’m sharing space with.
I also greatly prefer the people on Lemmy and I hope that continues even as more and more redditors show up. Without a spez calling the shots, perhaps instances will tend to ban and defederate from far-right radicalization chambers instead of promoting them to the front page.
Pretty much all of the far-right instances are defederated from the major servers, except lemm.ee, which intentionally lets users block instances they don’t like.
Hi I’m new here. My friend has been trying to get me in for ages. The reason I am here is because my Reddit account of 10 years and one of 3 years got permabanned. And it was really for no reason. I tried to make a new account and that also got instantly permabanned. That’s when I found out that my 10year account also got banned. So yeah fuck what happened on Reddit.
I’m really liking lemmy and my iOS app (mlem) and enjoying the community. The only thing I miss from Reddit is the video integration.
Welcome! Hopefully you know about Lemmy Explorer, I’ve found it very useful in finding communities of interest to me.
Welcome!
What I don’t miss from reddit is the bot comments. Not the novelty bots that reply if your comment is in alphabetical order or something like that, but actual chat gpt responses to regular posts or comments.
I have no idea what the point of them is, but they’re awful.
Running such a bot with an intentionally underpowered language model that has been trained to mimic a specific Reddit subculture is good clean absurdist parody comedy fun if done up-front and in the open on a sub that allows it, such as r/subsimgpt2interactive, the version of r/subsimulatorgpt2 that is open to user participation.
But yeah, fuck those ChatGPT bots. I recently posted on r/AITAH and the only response I got was obviously from a large language model… it was infuriating.
First rule of AITAH:
If the story isn’t completely made up, no one will believe it’s true.
Those were getting so out of hand.
u/OP: “What’s a good mouse for a mix of productivity and gaming”
u/DefinitelyNotABot: “A good mouse for a mix of productivity and gaming is something you should be looking for if you need a mouse that is good for work and play. A good mouse for productivity and gaming will have a good balance of performance and features. Fortunately, finding a good mouse for a mix of productivity and gaming is not difficult due there being plenty of mouse options available to you[…]”
What’s the point of those types of bots, though? I guess they’re just trying to have vaguely genuine looking accounts to use for some future purpose, maybe political or advertising related.
My best guess is karma farming so they can sell them off. Probably create hundreds of accounts they can sell off. If some brand buys an account that looks reputable for $20-$100 to use it for astroturfing then that’s a pretty good deal for both sides. Shitty deal for everyone else.
That and building convincing personas for propaganda and PR. An account agreeing with pro corporate policies is more convincing if it has a long post history.
They’ll sooner or later appear here too, that’s sadly a reality all social media will suffer from now on. No filter can detect AI replies for long.
Do you think users, moderators, and admins on Lemmy could be more equipped (or at least more incentivized) to combat malicious bots compared to Reddit?
There are a few GitHub issues on the Lemmy repo to integrate video support:
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2318
https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2249Welcome!
Sup J ;)
That’s wild, I’ve said so much zeisty stuff with my account but it’s still not banned.
What I said wasn’t zesty at all. The only thing I can think of is someone went to all my comments and reported me. I’ve been temp banned from communities before but never banned from Reddit and would never expect to get permanently banned from Reddit the site along with my other Reddit accounts.
I would like to see a participation per capita breakdown. IOW who posts the most per person relative to the number of participants.
I’ll never stop complaining about Y axis that don’t start at zero.
If that means the change isn’t noticable, then the change isn’t noticable.
I’ll never stop complaining
about Y axis that don’t start at zero.If that means the change isn’t noticable, then the change isn’t noticable.Yeah when I showed the cop the graph of my speed before getting in my car to be 67000mph (speed of the earth around the sun) to 67080mphwhen I was driving it he couldn’t see the difference so I didn’t get the ticket.
Or sometimes choosing a common-sense reference makes sense.
Which isn’t to say THIS one does, it doesn’t, but the absolutism of “it’s nerf or nothing” is a tad extreme.
Well, it does make sense, doesn’t it?
What we’re interested in is not the number of users, but the trends: whether the number is increasing or decreasing over time. Starting the axis at 0 would not be useful in this regard, as the trend would be almost completely obscured.
For something like that, you need a special graph, and I forget the name because no one uses it.
Y axis is “percent growth” and the X axis isn’t at the bottom, it’s in the middle.
Like, the only way I can describe it is a line graph because it technically is, but there’s some name done it.
Capitalism doesn’t like it tho, because there’s “red numbers” and red numbers scare investors
If the goal is to visualize growth trends, I don’t think raw user counts are the correct value to track on the Y-axis at all. That’s where my head was at when I said it doesn’t make sense. Abusing the Y-axis to try and coax data out in this case is just a symptom of having the wrong measure.
Daily new users. Percent user growth.
There is visible growth in posts and comments, which is good. However, I’ve also started seeing spam posts.
Nice!
Did Reddit do something stupid to scare people away again?
AFAIK they didn’t. This time we have natural growth
Bots in the build up to the election here in the states?
EU also has elections on Sunday.
reddit is about the same in my opintion, but I do see a lot more activity on the lemmy side. I think its a combination of:
- Less rules around communities. The barrier of entry is much lower here to post, and things dont get auto-removed because of trigger happy mods.
- 2% of users post 90% of content. And a lot of them moved over to lemmy.
- Servers can be brought into existence and removed at will. This may seem like a bad thing, but what it means is that the best lemmy servers can evolve and be successful in a way reddit cant. Some have different modifications to make them more user friendly, some have excellent uptime, etc…etc…
- People from mastodon/misskey/other fediverse instances can comment/post. Even if that is not what a vast majority of us do, it does help the numbers and will continue to help engagement.
Also to @Blaze@reddthat.com Do you know if the sats above take into account the generally banned instances of lemmy? I know that a lot of instances earlier this year decided to become de-federated from the general fediverse. Do you happen to know if the website take into account those servers?
This one had .zip and that’s why I choose it.
Also to @Blaze@reddthat.com Do you know if the sats above take into account the generally banned instances of lemmy? I know that a lot of instances earlier this year decided to become de-federated from the general fediverse. Do you happen to know if the website take into account those servers?
Not sure about this unfortunately
Fair enough.
The cracked apps using personal API keys stopped working a few days ago. Already fixed now I think.
Yep. That’s why I’m here again. My reddit app may work for now, but the writing is on the wall in bigger, bolder letters.
Welcome back! Hope you like what we’ve done with the place.
Welcome back!
They have bots roaming the site, banning people, seemingly at random. I went from never having been banned on reddit on a 10 year account, to banned for 3 days twice, and then permanently banned all in the span of a month.
And when did this happen? The week after the IPO went public.
And what kind of messages got me banned? Well one of them was in /r/Cleveland where a guy posted a security camera picture of the guy who stole his bike. I made the comment that the theif looks like a guy who stole MY bike in the early 90s, and that maybe this was his son. Keeping it in the family business.
I was banned for that comment for “Harassment and abuse of reddit users”. The action was performed by an AI bot. If I wanted an appeal I could appeal. So I did. It SAID the appeal was handled by a real human. They still sided with the bots decision, which tells me that it wasn’t handled by a real person.
So now I’m here. Just don’t steal my bike, ok guys?
Just don’t steal my bike, ok guys?
I won’t!
…but what kind of bike and where is it, just so I know what I’m not stealing and where I should avoid stealing it from
Hey dude, I’ve been looking for you for so long, since my Dad stole your bike and that was a turning point in my life, since I made a point of stealing your son’s bike.
It is said that this will continue for generations until the seventh son of a seventh son, who’ll transform into an upside down toothless vampire who likes garlic.
In order for this prophecy to come true, please ensure all your progeny keeps buying bikes.
PS Welcome to Lemmy!
I made the comment that the theif looks like a guy who stole MY bike in the early 90s, and that maybe this was his son. Keeping it in the family business.
That’s hilarious. They don’t deserve you.
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Not again!!! …is that a squirrel???
Did ianovic68 steal his bike in the 90s?
They actually did, for a few no 3rd party apps worked at all. But now they do again.
I thought all third party apps already stopped working?
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Have you heard of ReVanced? Most commonly known for patching youtube to allow more features, mainly adblocking. Well they have patches for a ton of apps now so if you have a reddit account and say you’re a developer you get your own API key they can be injected into some apps. It didn’t work for me for a while but I eventually got it to work for the random search result from reddit.
Self hosting piped helps too. Love my little system.
Not all of them, Dystopia for example was allowed to stay as is because of accessibility features that the native app lacks. It was even working just fine during the recent outage.
