for international context here: this is (one of) the hottest major city in the
countryworld; we have year round bike weather. This happens all the time unfortunately.Are you also open carry?
Yeeehaw
The hottest city != Bike weather?
They meant to say “bike melting weather”
People who live here are used to the heat. I ride my bike in >40° weather all the time. People who aren’t used to the heat yet will start to ride right before sunrise when it’s 27-30°. To give you another frame of reference: I set my HVAC to 25.5° year round and turn it down to 24.5° when I’m “overheated” (room temp <24° is unbearably cold to me). We’re just built different here.
How long until ICE sees his name and deports him because “criminal”
Sentencing people to life in prison wont bring the dead back alive. He clearly didn’t intend to kill anyone and intentions matter. I don’t get the blood thirst here.
I’m not asking for blood, just his license. He’s demonstrated he is not capable of safe operation.
He killed 2 and injured 11
The very fact that you’re having to ask why people want a bigger punishment for that says it all
Why should people be held responsible for killing other people!? You have a responsibility when you drive. To not kill people. It really shouldn’t be difficult.
In addition to the pending prison sentence, he must pay $2,500, complete 60 hours of community service and submit to quarterly drug testing as part of the plea deal. His driver’s license will also be suspended for nearly six months.
a whole 6 months!
No, nearly 6 months, you monster! He’s clearly suffered enough!
Would you say the same thing if he were drunk? Why or why not?
I’d say killing a person because you were drunk driving is worse offence than killing someone because you fell a sleep but neither of them are intentional. If he did this because he hates cyclists it would be a whole another story.
But why is it a worse offense? In both cases you have plenty of notice that you’re driving impaired. One could argue it’s worse for tired drivers because their judgement isn’t clouded by an intoxicating substance that impairs judgement.
If he did this because he hates cyclists it would be a whole another story.
It would? How much shorter would you prefer his sentence to be if he did it out of hatred for cyclists?
I don’t get why you assume I’d think the sentence should be shorter.
Because it’s clear that you don’t think it should be longer.
What’s your problem? Why so accusatory?
even an accident this big deserves more unless it was outside his control
if nothing else that license should be suspended way longer
He should never get his license back. What the hell. Only 6 months.
Unfortunately, traveling by car is seen as the default. Hence using something else than a car to travel is seen as taking unnecessary risks, which is why we see a lot of victim blaming.
Speed limit inside of cities should be like 30km/h, 20km/h during the times of day when school typically starts and ends, all day near a school. Fines for speeding should be 3 dayfines for each kilometer you’re over the limit, with five percent of your net worth being added to your annual income for the calculation. 5 dayfines if you speed in a school zone. And if somebody throws themselves in front of your car, and they die, you should lose your license for 6 months. (Though in this case, all financial damages emerging from your license suspension should be paid by the estate of the deceased). In case of vehicular manslaughter that doesn’t involve somebody deliberately hitting your car, the license should be suspended permanently.
Sorry for the rant.
Prosecutor needs to be tried for treason. At the very least there needs to be a permanent license suspension.
…treason?
You plow a vehicle into an event and kill people - intent or no - you’re definitely an enemy of that society.
I don’t think that’s how it works though.
Remember people, if you wanna kill someone, make sure you’re in a car! If you’re lucky you might not even get a jail sentence!
Remember people, if you wanna kill someone, make sure you’re a rich white person in a car!
Also doesn’t hurt if the people you plow over are young, minorities, women, or - best of all - progressive activists.
It’s really cool how judges would say that all human lives are equal but also closely match them to their net worth…
I’d like to know whether that means he can drive for the 2nd hald of his prison term.
Sounds fair. I’d expect me smeared on the road by a truck is probably worth a couple of hours of community service. At least a couple. Imagine a beautiful Lady. That’s at least a couple of months depending on the make-up. 2 cyclists and 11 injured yeah that should carry some prison. Specially if it was a nice Walmart bike with shimano part upgrades. Amazon electric… Forget it, that’s at least 25 to life. But only if it had a fancy range extender. Otherwise maybe 15 years?
Hopefully they learn their lesson and doesn’t become a repeat offender.
I imagine he’ll face the consequences for the rest of his life, regardless of how the “justice” system handles it. Honestly, I’d be surprised if he lived 10 years before something happened to him. The victims had families.
I would be extremely surprised if anything happened to him. It’s not a movie.
At the very least there are 13 big civil suits coming his way.
Those still have to go through jury? What happens if he cannot afford a lawyer?
Then he will have one appointed for him. It’s kinda the reason that public defenders exist.
But that is for criminal cases as far as I know. You will not get a public defender for civil case as far as I know.
Apparently so! Today I learned something new! Driver’ll prolly get shafted with court costs, tho…
This is good. It gives the grieving families a year to plan how to get the bastard once he’s out of jail.
Obviously run his ass over in a Walmart parking lot.
I guess he can’t be an uber driver for the county jail?
It’s ok, none of the people killed or hurt were billionaires, so like… they guy barely broke any real laws worth worrying about.
BANANA
Interesting hypothesis. I’d love to peruse an executive summary of your research methodologies.
B
It’s short for bananas banana republic. As in the law is fucked up, or it isn’t followed. USA has become a banana republic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_republicI just though I’d shorthand it, because there are so many news stories that show this, that it’s exhausting to respond to them individually.
How does that apply here?
Arizona is part of USA, and 1 year for killing 2 people due to gross irresponsibility.
The laws are not designed for justice, but to benefit the rich.Just because it doesn’t sate your lust for vengeance?
Legit how did you come to that conclusion
We have here a case that went the full legal cycle, and it doesn’t seem to meet their approval for satisfactory retribution.
wtf America.
So, upon reading the article, the NTSB concluded the driver was extremely fatigued.
Do truck drivers not get tired where your from? Is this incident really an indictment of the entire United States? Is the rest of the world a tragedy-free paradise?
No, because we have mandatory breaks and such. Every second gets fully recorded and stored for authorities to check. Driving without sleep just isn’t worth the risk of losing your license
So does the United States in their trucking industry. This guy just fucked up horribly. He is not, however, a murderer which implies premeditation.
Driving drunk is also premeditated. As should lack of sleep be
I’m glad you and everyone else chose that double shift.
“Premeditated” in the context of homicide means someone intended to kill someone else. That is, they set into motion a course of actions because they believed that course of action would result in the death of a person.
Homicide in the context of fatigue or impairment are not usually premeditated because people generally do not put themselves in those cognitive states believing that doing so will result in the death of someone else.
Historically judicial systems have recognized that those cognitive states are more likely to result in unintentional deaths so do hold people operating vehicles under those conditions to a higher standard of punishment than, say, a sober person involved in a fatal crash. At the same time they consider intent and hold people in those circumstances to a lower standard of punishment than those who actually intended to kill someone.
If you drive while tired and kill someone as a result that’s not an accident. You intentionally kept driving instead of pulling over and taking a nap.
There is effectively no difference in drunk driving and driving while extremely tired. Both impair your driving ability equally.
IMO driving while tired is worse as the impairment creeps up on you for hours and you can stop at any time. There should be almost no impairment in your decision making.
On drugs it conceivable that you took a couple of shots and then your drunken mind decided to drive. In this case the decision to drive was made by someone impaired.
If you drive in a professional capacity your employer should be held accountable too. People that drive their employees to drive unsave should lose their business and spend some time in jail.
Never had to report to a boss, eh?
i don’t care enough about your boss to ignore 2 people dying
it should be negligent homicide unless mechanical failure can be proven and even then he should have to show proper upkeep
cars are 1000 pound+ death machines if people don’t respect the responsibility they should face more then this dude is getting
I’m not ignoring their deaths. Send him to jail for a year, sure. But it won’t fix the problem and it will allow him to experience life inside prison. I don’t think they teach vehicle maintenance in there.
if it was due to negligence, there has to be real consequences, we have non violent drug offenders doing more time
if nothing else he shouldn’t get his license back
I largely agree, but the Maricopa prosecutor and judge saw it differently.
Doesn’t mean much. Police violence cases are regularly ignored by prosecutors and judges due to lack of public interest/insufficient evidence you didn’t deserve to be battered.
Yeah, that’s very true. That driver also doesn’t deserve to get convicted of something more severe than what he actually did.
he killed 2 people
seems like he did plenty
So if someone got really tired and plowed into a bunch of ICE agents would get the same sentence?
