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What do you mean “revealed” as if this is news? I thought this was the plan the whole fucking time.
Trump: convicted rapist, pedophile, misogynistic swine. Also failed businessman, pathological liar, corrupt to all hell. Sellout to Russia and the Nazis.
Harris: didn’t condemn Israel.
Fuck off ‘both sides’-ers
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Good you know you don’t even pretend to enforce rules and only care about political aliegence.
Based mod, fuck off Tankies.
Tankies is when you condemn Democrats support of genocide
👏 bravo
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Please leave it. You’re an horrible person and we’ll need material to prove that in court.
You always pushed the narrative according to which genocide was unavoidable “because the other guy was worst”. We should give you the Nuremberg treatment imo 🪢🪢 🪢 🪢 🪢
Once again, no answer but downvotes for the troll army of little shitards genocide supporters. Imagine being morally bankrupted enough to think severe human rights abuse isn’t a deal breaker when it comes to national election. Yes even if the other dude is worst, idiot. Had the dems known you weren’t a bunch of coward, they might have considered the electoral implications of bombing civilians.
So really, not only is the state of the US your fault, but you have blood on your stupid hands. Piece of shit.
Why are separating russia and israel? Both are fascist states.
Well to be fair, Trump wanted to cooperate with Israel on a beach resort in Gaza, whereas Harris was just afraid of saying Israel bad, because Israel buys a fucktonne of weapons from the US and a big part of the country is ridiculously pro-israel.
Harris actively supported Israels Holocaust and stated that she would continue to do so. We are not going to pretend we didn’t see what we saw just because the Democrat supporters are resorting to genocide denial.
And no, Israel doesn’t “buy a fucktonne of weapons” it is given them.
Kamala has no spine, she loves genocide.
What’s Trump done for you that you’re such a huge fan of his lmao
Trump didn’t stop genocide. In fact it’s markedly worse under him. This is more complex than one issue.
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In fact it’s markedly worse under him.
No. It isn’t. You are just a genocide denier when it’s your team doing it.
This is more complex than one issue.
You have to truly souless to say this about an ongoing Holocaust.
Yes it fucking is worse under trump and Democrats aren’t my fucking team.
Call me soulless all you fucking want, it won’t make it true. My friends died because of this fucking genocide. I want it to end and not because israel ran out of Palestinians. But you sitting there pretending like this was fixable in this election is asinine. Maybe in some fantasy land we would have had a decent candidate to vote for. But in reality I was given an option between a tyrannical fascist that would happily accelerate genocide, and an ineffectual slug that would slow play the genocide. A slower option is better than an accelerated one, even if both are horrendously bad.
Yes it fucking is worse under Trump
Genocide. Denier.
Call me soulless all you fucking want, it won’t make it true.
Yeah, it’s true because you’re a genocide apologist monster.
My friends died because of this fucking genocide
Can you imagine how sickened they’d be to see you engaging in genocide denial to support the people who helped kill them?
But you sitting there pretending like this was fixable in this election is asinine.
You pretending it was acceptable when it was the Democrats doing it is monstrous.
But in reality I was given an option between a tyrannical fascist that would happily accelerate genocide, and an ineffectual slug that would slow play the genocide. A slower option is better than an accelerated one, even if both are horrendously bad.
What Biden was doing in Gaza was one hundred percent “tyrannical fascism”, you just don’t care when it happens to foreigners. And the genocide wasn’t a single bit slower under Biden, you are just a genocide denier. If Harris has won, the situation in Gaza would be just as bad, and the only difference would be you would still be downplaying it.
This this this this this this this this.
I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called “leftist” who didn’t vote for Kamala. You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how’s that self-righteousness taste?
I have zero goddamn sympathy for any so-called “leftist” who didn’t vote for Kamala.
That’s ok, the left has no patience for genocide supporters. As far as we’re concerned, Trump is exactly what you deserve.
You have condoned neo-facism to stroke your own ego. No two ways about it. At least now they get to enjoy the fruits of their labor. Tell me, how’s that self-righteousness taste?
No amount or anime villain monologues will change the fact that you supported genocide.
As did you by sitting back and letting it happen.
Have the day you voted for.
Yeah, I personally let it happen. I’m just that powerful that I could have stopped it. But I chose not to.
You people are every bit as irrational and loathsome as Maga.
Yet you dumbasses act like anyone voting for Harris was causing supporting and participating in what is happening between Israel and Palestine.
And despite this, trump is still worse. You can go on and on about this singular issue but at the end of this stupid disingenuous contortionist act, trump is still worse.
I admit that Trump is really bad, but I believe he has a lot more than Biden
In what way? He certainly has a lot more tyrannical and fascist ideology. But there is no goodness of any kind in that man. His agenda has been nothing short of hateful and destructive on every level. Biden was a crap option. But Trump is leagues worse in every conceivable measure.
I believe this is true, so I take more opportunities to make myself richer, which will also bring me a better life
Souless matters who say things like “You can go on and on about this singular issue but at the end of this stupid disingenuous contortionist act” about a literal Holocaust have exactly zero credibility when it comes to determining what’s worse. How could you? You have no morality.
I decided I’d rather die than vote for genocide.
Looks like I’ll get my wish. I’m fine with that.
Don’t break an arm jerking yourself off, there, hero.
Being suicidal doesn’t entitle you to take the rest us down with you! You’ve clutched your pearls so hard that you’ve managed to bloody your hands anyway.
Quit being unethical in the name of ethics.
All that did was enable more genocide. Congratulations, all the shit ICE is doing is your fault.
How’s your own medicine taste like lmao.
How is it our fault? I’m not even american. It’s YOUR fault for having an election with two genocider and thus living in a genocidal country. Fuck you :)
The genocide is bipartisan.
Also… do you think you’re innocent? That you’re absolved of this country’s crimes?
Do you think that all you need to do is vote for a Democrat and you can wash your hands?
They don’t give a shit about foreigners.
Good. Americans don’t deserve a single thing more than what they give to Palestinians.
Dude, didn’t you see their instance? They’re a tankie. They were never ‘refusing to vote for genocide’. They were always holding their vote in the hope that the evil US would destroy itself so Generous China and Glorious Mother Russia could take their place as the true and noble world leaders.
Just ignore them.
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Ohhh so you’re not even from the US, you’re just saying stuff.
I thought .ml users were in agreement that the US was a 3rd world country?
Sometimes I can’t help myself. There really needs to be a way to block an instance rather than just individual users.
You’re brainwashed
Posting the same image more than once doesn’t make it any less idiotic.
The image isn’t idiotic; it just isn’t making the point he thinks it is. Look at the slope of the line, not the area under the curve.
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I meant the fact that it disproves his point, but fair enough. I’m getting worked up and should step away for a bit.
How is Trump meaningfully different on immigration then Harris? ICE existed before Trump.
I’m having trouble believing this is an honest question.
They weren’t deporting American children with cancer or using torture prisons in El Salvador for starters.
Ever heard of Guantanamo Bay? Abu Ghraib? Biden deported more people then Trump. Extrajudicial punishment, torture and punitive and cruel immigration policy is bipartisan in the USA.
ICE wasn’t invented by Trump. If you look at the actual numbers he’s basically just keeping up with Obama’s deportations.
He’s just ripped the mask off, so people realize what ICE always was. We told you about ICE before and you didn’t care, and now you do. Trump makes you see what was always right in front of you.
Now. Are you going to do anything about it?
What about all the people around you that aren’t ok with that?
You’re not really sticking to the very basics of communism: community.
We’re all complicit.
You say as the genocide in Gaza is being aided and abetted by Trump in a way it would never have been even by the Democrats.
You guys are so happy to throw Palestinians under the bus for your black and white worldview
Democrats wouldn’t be speaking out against Israel under Harris. They’d be goose-stepping along with the administration no matter how many children Israel killed because the genocide was bipartisan before Trump.
Harris was speaking out about it, you just refused to listen.
“two state solution is the ‘only path’ forward”
August: https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/23/politics/gaza-israel-harris-convention-speech/index.html
"Vice President Kamala Harris called for the Palestinian people to be able to “realize their right to dignity, security, freedom and self-determination”
“we must have a two-state solution where we can rebuild Gaza where the Palestinians have security, self-determination and the dignity they so rightly deserve.””
““It’s unconscionable, and we are now at a place where, with (Hamas leader Yahya) Sinwar’s death, I do believe we have an opportunity to end this war, bring the hostages home, bring relief to the Palestinian people and work toward a two-state solution where Israel and the Palestinians, in equal measure, have security, where the Palestinian people have dignity, self-determination and the safety that they so rightly deserve,” said Harris.”
Every month from becoming the nominee until the election: cease fire, hostage release, two state solution.
These are not genocidal statements.
Trump? https://apnews.com/article/trump-biden-israel-pr-hugh-hewitt-21faee332d95fec99652c112fbdcd35d
“But they’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
That’s on ISRAEL, not Biden or the Democrats.
The two State solution has always been a canard deployed by genocidiers to delay peace and prolong conflict. Israel doesn’t get to have an apartheid ethnostate on stolen land, even if Palestinians get a bantustan or two.
There is only a one state solution: a multiethnic, multireligious, multiracial democracy from the river to the sea.
A multiethnic, multireligious, multiracial democracy would be a bloodbath. The Israelis simply will not allow it.
See the results of the various illegal settlements:
“United Nations estimates indicate that Jewish settlers have carried out around 2,000 attacks against Palestinians since the war in Gaza began. That number represents a dramatic surge compared with any previous period during the nearly six decades Israel has controlled the West Bank.”
It would be great if everyone could live together in peace and harmony, we can’t. We are hard-wired to see things in “us” vs. “them”.
it would never have been even by the Democrats.
Fkn liar
You’re brainwashed.
You’re brainwashed.
WTF are you talking about, “brainwashed?” You’re literally proving his point. The slope of the line was decreasing before the election, and then started increasing after.
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Democrats were fully willing to help Israel annex Gaza and ethnically cleanse the strip, despite the rhetoric. They’d have done it a different way (maybe) but the end result is the same.
But with Trump, those same Democrats have been forced to come out against it! Partisanship is making long-time Israel supporters rethink their support for the genocide, and now they’re speaking up.
But don’t be fooled - this is only partisanship. The genocide was bipartisan before Trump, but he has a way of actually sharpening the contradictions and forcing liberals to stand for something.
I’ll still vote for Democrats that come out against the genocide, but that’s my red line.
You voted for a genocider and the end of your sad existence would be a net negative.
You can’t call yourself a “leftist” and vote for a conservative neo-liberal for president. There’s no two ways about it. Saying otherwise is just a conservatives way of stroking their own ego. By undermining the leftist vote, you have condoned neo-fascism to stroke your own ego. At least neo-liberals now get to enjoy the fruits of their labor for creating this situation. Tell me, how does your own self-righteousnous taste?
-see, i can do it too.
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The democrats had a choice between genocide and curbing fascism. Your savior party chose to starve kids over halt fascism. Why are “tankies” obligated to respect your bizarre utility calculation, but Kamala and the democrats are not?
What is your red line? Assuming in 30 years, when the choice is between a candidate who wants 9 genocides and a candidate who wants 10, will you still be militantly democrat? Is there no point at which you would start to call into question your genocidal, fascist, enslaving government?
Brain-dead take.
About par for the course on ml.
Choosing genocide over winning the election was the braindead take.
You can make the point about trump being a criminally weirdo pervert fake businessman without misrepresenting (and therefore failing to learn from) the 2024 election.
Harris kicked tent poles out of the Big Tent™. Including immigration (low latino turnout). It seems unserious to say it was just the blind eye to Israel’s genocide that lost the election.
Its also the case that republicans spend literally billions more on media and online posting is never a substitute for knocking on doors, a thing the Kamala campaign failed to do sufficiently.
DNC apologists always being like “well they were trying to recruit more bigots” and then act surprised when the bigots and their overwhelming piles of media cash chase voters out of the Big Tent
Harris: didn’t condemn Israel.
She actively and materially supported Israel. If liberals are going to resort to genocide denial when it’s your own team committing it, you’re no better than MAGA.
Shut the fuck up
You people are just as evil as MAGA
A vote for Trump is a vote to end America. It really is that simple. If there is one thing I hope future generations rally around and condemn is Trump voters. I hope they are shamed for eternity.
America won’t disappear because some elderly man is throwing tantrums every day.
A lot of what made the US a superpower has already disappeared. Its alliances with Europe and the Commonwealth. Its influence on global trade. Its influence on global institutions. Its soft power through things like USAID.
If that’s all you think it is then you’ve been under a rock.
Clearly the world is burning down. Not much has changed besides things being a bit more expensive.
And, you know, the dissolving of rights, kidnapping immigrants, putting children in handcuffs, the openly fascist plan being played out that just hit the 50% goal of destroying our government and replacing it with fascist theocracy, but yeah, pretty much the same as always, right?
Basically.
I wish Lemmy had a remind me bot so I could come back to this comment in 6 months. It takes time for Trade and Tourism to drop off, and more time for the effects of that to be noticed by the average citizen who is having the reality of the situation hidden from them by the propaganda machine of the oligarchs.
We started realizing it on Friday but then Mango Mussolini shot the messenger.
@remindme@mstdn.social 6 months
@grue Ok, I will remind you on Thursday Feb 5, 2026 at 10:14 PM UTC.
America won’t disappear in 6 months either even if you are right.
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And the Earth won’t disappear if we do nothing about global warming. It will just become uninhabital for human life.
So sure, the land mass will still exist, but maybe raise the bar a little bit…
I mean, I know this isn’t the point, but humans won’t go extinct then either.
Right. There will be small desperate colonies trying to figure out how to survive underground/in space, but humans won’t be extinct.
Raise. The fucking. Bar. A little.
This resigned nihilism is why we’re here in this situation, wishing we could smack people like you through the screen somehow.
A vote for Trump is a vote to end America
Are you trying to sell me on him? America is a bipartisan genocidal scourge. It should be ended.
I bet you 1 million dollars your country is dependent on trade with America.
Yeah you guys made sure of that when you spied on our leaders, killed leftist politicians and did false flag attack to blame on the commies.
Oh, you didn’t get the memo? Everyone has always opposed Israel now.
Wow. You really thought no accomplishments but arming a genocide was a winning message, huh?
Perfect is the enemy of better than the worst option
Your idea of perfection couldn’t run. After all, he’s the Israeli prime minister.
Fuck Bibi too, but “nothing will change” is a whole fucking lot better than concentration camps in El Salvador.
Depends for who. It’s sure inconvenient for americans but for gazans at least there’s a justice.
Yes, I’m sure they love the acceleration your picture shows since January.
Actually no, doing a Holocaust is not “a whole fucking lot better than concentration camps in Florida and El Salvador.”
Do you think Trump being in office somehow improved the situation in Gaza?
The bulk of the genocide happened under the party you voted for asshole
Whataboutism
And it’s why I voted for harris. But I also understand that the prospect of “the best you can get” being an endless continuation of an untenable status quo that was trending worse even under a democratic president is why people stayed home.
Don’t bother. This guy doesn’t live in your reality.
Yeah, because your reality is one of genocide denial
A well crafted and witty retort indeed. Well done.
Because he didn’t get the required lobotomy to register for ml.
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former.
We cannot live this contradiction in the USA anymore. Freedom and diversity for Americans means freedom and diversity for all humans. I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
I’m so sick and tired of centrist liberals defending this corrupt USA that perpetuates the enslavement of the third world.
Luckily thanks to you and others like you they lost. Yay! Good job!
Now what?
Now let’s hope they give americans their own medecine.
Three years ago, israel used white phosphorus on civilians population. Those ammunitions were sold by the USA.
With a little bit of karma, Los angeles will get firebombed. Just imagine your bitch mum screaming as she’s trying to remove the napalm off what used to be her face, but you know that shit’s sticky lmao
Her fault for having poop’ed out a genocidal scum
Luckily thanks to you and liberals like you, instead of fighting back against the GOP in the 2 times these last 20 years where Democrats have had SUPER MAJORITIES in Congress, you passed half measures while playing identity politics.
We could have had meaningful, material improvements to people’s lives, a good marker of de-escalation of violence, but instead the DNC, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, and liberals clung to their monopoly on the only counter party to the fascists we have.
You all are still coping that you lost the 2024 election, and you’re rutterless as to why
I have a clue: see what makes Zohran Mamdani so popular in New York. It has to do with rejecting the Democratic establishment and all the billionaire donors that back it
I don’t even live in the USA, fuck off with this bullshit.
Stay out of our fucking politics then!!
The irritating thing here is that so many people think we had other options available to vote for. I TRIED to vote for Bernie, DNC made sure that didn’t happen, I WANT to vote for someone that doesn’t support genocide, I WANT a candidate that says fuck Democrats, fuck Republicans, we are heading to the left full steam ahead. But that was never on the fucking ballot. And even if they were, we need all the sitting representatives and senators to be ousted too or they will have zero support institutionally and still get nothing done despite their position.
Now what?
Now you get to ignorantly blame progressives for what was, ultimately, a Democrat policy failure. Bonus - doing so drives a wedge between Democrats! Yay! Good job!
Now how about you do something fucking constructive.
Centrism will never bear fascism, you need actual opposition. Crazy how you all still dont realize this yet? How long will it take?
What do you mean, “you all”? I’m not American.
What does your reading comprehension level have to do with being American lmao
Mostly that “centrism” means a completely different thing in a working democracy with more than one and a half parties. It’s super common for Americans to view the whole world from the limited perspective of their screwed up politics, ignorant and unwilling to learn of how things are elsewhere.
You are.
Trump’s doing both, while Kamala sure as hell would have ensured the former
Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes. But Trump wants to accelerate it. He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be. There is a non-zero chance of American boots on ground to help clear out any remaining Palestinians.
Harris would’ve continued status quo, yes.
The status quo included doing a Holocaust in Gaza.
He wants all Palestinians out of Gaza so he can build a beach resort where their homes used to be.
This was already happening under Biden, you are just a genocide supporter when it was your team doing it.
Kamala will never beat Trump, shes crazy unpopular and neoliberalism is dead. You need an opposition to fascism, pretty simple.
Well of course she wouldn’t, she’s a woman and America is crazy sexist.
Biden did, with nothing but neoliberalism and status quo. So there, Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.
She offered no policy to Americans except “Trump is worse.” She will never beat Trump or fascism. Americans want fascism , fascism lite doesnt beat fascism. You want to beat fascism you need opposition
Less than a third want fascism, and even then, some people that voted for Trump are getting their faces eaten by leopards.
We need progressive opposition politicians that can speak to what Americans want: affordability, equity, health care.
Less than a third want fascism
And yet both major parties are fascist
Harris advocated for limited government control of grocery and food prices, a cap on prescription drug costs, and expansion of the child tax credit.[17][18] On immigration, Harris supported increasing the number of Border Patrol agents and reforming the immigration system. On foreign policy, she supported continued military aid to Ukraine and Israel in their respective wars, but insisted that Israel should agree to a ceasefire and hostage deal and work towards a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
Straight off Wikipedia because I’m not going to find better sources for a troll.
Not a fan of some of those (Immigration and continued support of Israel), but you can’t tell me that moderate government control over the fast-rising grocery prices or a cap on prescription drug costs is a bad thing? Also while the republican solution to a lack of children being born is to outlaw abortions and sex ed, she planned a large tax credit you’d get for having a newborn. How is that not a better solution to the birth crisis the conservatives are yelling about?
This is big “Hitler made the trains run on time” energy.
Americans want neoliberalism, they just don’t want a woman in charge.
neoliberals want neoliberalism and they pretend that harris lost because she’s a woman in order to shut out AOC.
Some 67% of Gen Z white men voted Trump thanks to the manosphere influencers but go off on how America isn’t growing increasingly sexist lol
Oh, it’s increasingly sexist all right. Democrats are now saying that women can’t win because they don’t want a particular woman to run.
No shit, but it wasn’t available to vote for in the election. We can’t vote with hopes and dreams because our system is fucked. All we can pick is the lesser of two evils.
And I’m telling you that lesser of two evils will never beat Trump or fascism, full stop. You want to win you need actual opposition. Like you mentioned Mamdani, theres a reason he won handily.
I agree with you. There needs to be a real option to get anywhere. We’ve been circling the drain too long. And the DNC is ensuring it stays that way by keeping out real challengers. It’s maddening.
Why wasn’t it available to vote for in the election?
Oh right, because the one-term, transitional candidate Joe Brandon wanted his second term, and then rightfully got fucked in the debate with Trump.
If Democrats understood Trump’s threat to Democracy truly, they would have had primaries in 2024. Instead we got establishment picks that robbed our civic participation
Yes we have to pick the lesser of two evils in that moment, but for all the other moments leading up to the general and primary, like right now, Democrats could have ran a better candidate.
But they didn’t. And they aren’t right now.
Hopes and dreams are perfectly valid right now to throw out the establishment and start campaigning for candidates that don’t take AIPAC money
I would love to see the DNC destroyed. They’ve been at the forefront of shoveling fascist lite candidates in front.
Hoping I get to vote for a Mamdani or similar in the future.
Hopefully he accelerates it so quickly that Americans will actually push back. And if they still aren’t convinced to arm themselves and take to the streets at least they may start to use all their sick time and vacation time.
Lol at Americans pushing back at a genocide happening in another country
Never going to happen. It’ll just be a more thorough and fast genocide with increased US government support. The primary difference is that now there’s going to be TWO genocides because latinos in the US are another target. But of course Trump isn’t any worse than Harris.
I meant the acceleration into facism that would impact people’s lives. I agree, Americans (in general) won’t do anything too uncomfortable to defend people somewhere else. If he starts rounding up and killing Latinos I think there’d be a but more of a fuss.
Good thing in the years leading up to October 7th, when Democrats were in office, we couldn’t force Israel to adopt a one-state solution.
Obama, Biden, Harris, they’re all complicit in the aggressive approach of Israel towards the apartheid and genocide they commit today.
And not just today. For the past 75+ years
I guess outward fascism towards the 3rd world, and inward fascism towards the USA’s own population seem like different things to you.
Whatever bullshit you have to tell yourself to sleep at night.
There’s no such thing as “inward” or “outward” fascism. You’re just making shit up.
It’s just fascism, and your inaction has directly led to it. Well done.
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Is it not liberals’ agenda to retain some semblance of civil rights, while at the same time upholding foreign policy?
Gay Nazis are still Nazis.
You’re dreaming of a state of affairs that doesn’t exist.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds
You’re either a liar, or a fucking child. Enough of this bullshit. Liberal ideology has its problems, but its not a comparison to literal fucking fascists.
Bluemaga fascists have nothing left except insults. You people are literal fucking fascists
I’m starting to believe there are many zionist here posting as liberals just to not be covered by insults.
Bluemaga liberals are Zionists, ultimately
You’re right, liberalism doesn’t compare to fascism.
All it does is enable it though, which according to you shitlibs, is just as bad as the fascists themselves.
Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?
Why not adopt progressive politics that actually fight against the forces that incubate fascist states?
Who are you talking to? Do you think I need to be a liberal in order to be able to state the obvious that they’re different than fascists?
God I want to feel the hardness of your skull as I punch you repeatedly again and again, ignoring you painal scream as I fucking stab you over and over.
Genociders deserve death.
“There is no outward fascism” said the genocide voter. You’re an awful human being mate how do you live with yourself?
I know you’re prolly retarded but you know foreigners are human too, yes? 50000 death in gaza commited by your country, by the party you voted for. You’re a little subtwat, afraid for your own skin and not giving a shit about the consequences of your choice for people who aren’t lucky enough to be americans.
My friend, I said it’s ALL fascism.
You are a very angry person and I think you should seek help.
Don’t fucking threaten to murder me again.
You contradict yourself, if “it’s just fascism”, then it was already fascism when the Democrats were doing it overseas
Harris assured Trump voters that nothing would fundamentally change. The Democratic party is sitting on their thumbs while the fascists are taking over. Electoral politics don’t save us from fascism.
Yeah supporting genocide makes you unpopular crazy! surprise surprise fascism lite wont beat fascism. Kamala Harris will never beat Trump sorry
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I don’t think we have to issue death threats to liberals to get our point across.
You doing so are perpetuating the “tankie” stereotype.
Maybe imply it, but don’t Fed post.
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People from countries who sent litteral tanks to gaza NOW lost the right to call anybody “tankies” lmao
Liberals are the tankies
True!
You are still here at this discussion in 2025? I don’t get it man, I really don’t.
Did you understand that Harris was giving you a little treat just to continue a genocide? I guess by your comment that you are fine if those brown kids starve as long as you can still buy your favourite triple mcburger. Right? (͡•_ ͡• )
You realize that you openly condone the rise the rapid spread of neo-fascism with the strawman argument of a single flawed foreign policy, right? (͡•_ ͡• )
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Uff, how the fuck do not see that the united states always has been a fascist country? Now it’s just idiot-fascist and it will kill itself thank god.
And also single issue? Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria (recently) and many more… does it look single to you? This is a global aggressive superpower committing worldwide atrocities.
…committing worldwide atrocities for profit.
Any one who describes “doing a Holocaust” as “a single flawed foreign policy” is an iredeemable monster more evil than any MAGA chud
Your single-issue principles contributed to us being stuck again with Trump.
And guess what? The kids are starving even worse now, and being gunned down, when they’re not being bombed. You must be really proud of yourself.
Guess what? Kamala will never beat Trump. Turns out neoliberalism wont beat Fascism. All she had to do was be an actual opposition. Crazy. I know its so hard to be against genocide, so hard!
“Kamala will never beat Trump”
Yeah no shit because Democrats don’t run again after being beaten, and literally nobody is calling for her to run again. Why do you keep saying this stupid shit, like we’re all a bunch of Kamala fanboys and you’ve got some gotcha?
Its not a gotcha, she was never going to beat Trump ever. And they still ran her. Think about that.
Why not go direct that pompous judgmental energy at people who actually voted for Trump, instead of spending your time berating people for not wanting to keep enabling the massively undemocratic 2-party system that led to fascism in the first place?
Because the single-issue voters who refused to vote for Harris contributed to changing the 2-party system they had, to a 1-party system now.
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles, not when MegaHitler is close to being elected.
I’m really not interested in the moral opinions of people who describe “opposing your government doing a Holocaust” as “single-issue voters”
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles,
Seems like you think the time between election cycles is when you should be tearing into the left.
Now there’s two holocausts. Everyone with a brain knew it was only going to get worse under Trump compared to Biden or Harris, and now they’re talking about alligators getting 65 million meals. Tell me how is two genocides better than once? How come not a single “true leftist” such as yourself acknowledges Trump being a genocidal maniac, only Harris?
Kamala will never beat Trump no matter how much you want to cry about it. You need an actual opposition party, neoliberalism is dead.
An actual opposition party to the left of the neoliberals siphons votes from the neoliberals to make it easier for the real fascists.
Changing to a better election system has to happen on a state level first because states are the ones who can choose if they have an FPTP system (yay 2 party system) or a proportional system. Even IF you managed to elect a bona-fide socialist as president, it’s not gonna affect shit because that’s not even the president’s jurisdiction. Or congress. It’s state level.
Do 3rd party activism between election cycles
You mean like… now?
Yes, now’s a much better time than in November of an election year.
And yet Democrats are still just as viciously opposed to it.
I know it’s hard to understand for you, but thank god I can’t vote in the states. I’m just telling you what it is, you can cover your eyes and ears if you like.
I can’t vote in the states
Then what the hell makes you think we should give a shit about your stupid-assed opinion? STFU and worry about your own country.
Alright alright cowboy 🤠 just when the fascism hits hard don’t come cry for help tho. And please don’t comment on others people countries ever, nobody gives a shit about your stupid-asses questions. Just STFU and enjoy your brand new ✨recession✨
Hey isn’t that another xenophobic yank thinking foreigners life don’t matter.
“Worry about your own country”, said the idiot from the genocidal shithole who bombs brown people for breakfast.
Death to all the yanks.
No you aren’t. You are boiling a complex problem down to a singular issue as if there was some mystical way to vote or abstain and not continue to have genocide issues in Palestine. No matter if you didn’t vote or voted for trump or voted for kamala this issue would still be there!
In this scenario the option isn’t to lean full force into fascist theocracy and quite honestly, deeper genocide support with the republicans and Trump. The only reasonable choice was to mitigate all the other issues on the table.
I’m glad you can’t vote here, because if you are too dumb to understand this dilema, then you are just like the people that contributed to this mess. So stay where you are please and thank you.
Complex problem? You do sound a lot like a zionist my dear. You act like there was not other option, but it was, and if you telling me you were dispensing the votes, how come an outsider like Zoran won? So people do know how to organize and fight, you just didn’t want to before. Kamala was a safe, “not challenging my history” candidate, and you were okay with it.
Bro, if this is the story you have to tell to be at peace with yourself and pretend to be the good guy, be my guest. I am just warning you, this is not how the rest of the world sees it.
Yes complex. If you can’t understand that this situation is complex, then you really need to hit the books more.
I’m so glad Mamdani won. I hope more like him come out and I get a chance to vote for him or someone like him on a national scale.
I’m no zionist. I hate israel and i die inside seeing the suffering they are causing and that my own fucking country blindly supports. I hate it and I hate that people like you can’t understand what it’s like to be stuck with no options to stopping it.
I’m honestly sorry about all the people stuck there. But, like many people in the south, you can move. You have options, you live in the richest country in the world.
There is nothing to save here, kamala (like all politicians) was fucking with all of you, she is still is. She is now promoting her book, does she look concerned about gaza or the american collapse to you? Stop defending these rats, join communism. We have kittens.
Yes complex. If you can’t understand that this situation is complex, then you really need to hit the books more.
Liberals during a Holocaust
I hate israel and i die inside seeing the suffering they are causing and that my own fucking country blindly supports.
Except when it’s the Democrats doing it, then you say “it’s not that bad, it’s a complex single issue”
Your single-issue principles
You have to be a truly souless monster to describe a modern Holocaust as “a single issue”
The kids are starving even worse now, and being gunned down, when they’re not being bombed.
The genocide was just as bad under Biden, you were just a genocide denier when it was your team doing it.
Your brain must really be in a box because you don’t seem to use it much.
Wow sick burn bro, you really distracted from the fact that you’re a genocide supporting monster
No. I’m not. I fucking hate israel, I lived next door to them and saw their bullshit firsthand and made friends with Palestinians in the country I was in. I want nothing more than to see israel deposed and Palestine restored. I just don’t tolerate people that think we had some magical option on the fucking ballot.
You have engaged in explicit genocide denial and apologia for Israels Holocaust, to the point of trying to downplay it as an irrelevant side issue compared to tarrifs and domestic interment camps.
Nice one! Really showed him with that epic insult!
I mean our only choices are Facists and cowardly facist enablers. Both sides really do suck…
Truly. It’s like having to choose between a punch in the mouth or having your skin shredded off with a cheese grater.
Like, i don’t want either of those things. Someone please choose for me.
“The whole sale extermination of an entire race” is a little worse than “a punch in the mouth”.
There is genocide either way, this is more complex than one issue.
Oh? I thought there was just “a punch in the mouth”.
Phew. Good thing Trump won and the genocide ended.
The bulk of the genocide happened under the party you voted for, scumbag.
POS genocidal scum
Whataboutism
How is it whataboutism? It’s literally happening. It’s reality.
What exactly do you think whataboutism means?
Accorate comparaison.
Except it’s not you punched in the mouth it’s some guy the other side of the world. And the fist is white phosphorus bombs the americans sent.
So who care, right? I am an absolute piece of shit lmao
I guess punch in the mouth? It doesn’t matter. Ppl are so tired of getting punched in the mouth they gave the cheese grater a try and did a lot of dmg.
Yes, I agree with that, how have you been lately
Meh 🤷♂️ living till I’m dying. Thx for asking !!! Have a nice day
Nice, it’s definitely a great day, I hope you are too, maybe we can talk
This is what Alligator Auschwitz is really for.
America, your opportunity to stop this is narrowing and walking around with signs once a month on a weekend isn’t gonna do it.
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Every week, more people show up. I’m involved in local politics besides.
You’re slamming people for being involved. They are doing something being out there.
I’m not slamming people for being involved. I’m slamming them for being ineffectual. A sign isn’t going to stop a determined fascist.
I don’t think people understand what fascism really is. Fascism doesn’t obey the rule of law at all, it is fascism especially if it fights it. Once a fascist raise to power, you’re done, marching is useless now. Only guns.
It’s time for Americans to repay the world for all the horrendous atrocities they committed and show the world they are not like this. If they won’t, collapse is the right price to pay.
And please stop cry, none of the country you invaded “exporting democracy” whined like this. It’s really pathetic, especially because you did it to yourself, no invading country needed. Get your guns and start shooting.
It’s time for Americans to repay the world for all the horrendous atrocities they committed and show the world they are not like this. If they won’t, collapse is the right price to pay.
See, and here I was thinking that it’s time for Germany, Japan, etc. to repay America by liberating us.
Absolutely, if you were attacked. But you weren’t, you elected a fascist rapist pedofile after committing atrocities after atrocities and now the world should “liberate” you? From what, your dementia?
Was the Weimar Republic “attacked” by Hitler and the Nazis?
Do you really really believe that the United States entered the war out of goodness of their heart? Are you delulu?
One of the many reasons Britain managed to convince the US was…… drum roll……Palestinian land! But it’s just a coincidence don’t worry, what do I know, just a tankie here.
Forming connections at low stakes events like protests is exactly what people need to do. That lot talks like anyone who doesn’t buy an AK and a red beret first thing is just wasting time.
Those people have been watching too many Hollywood movies. The next step after a protest march isn’t going in guns blazing. It’s holding an actual protest where you shut things down. Look at how the French do it. Organize. Resist. Disobey. Disrupt.
Dont forget your protest permits!
But work
But general strike
It’s a civil war.
only one side is fighting though.
That’s what they’ve been counting on. From over a year ago…
Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts said that the country is in the midst of a “second American Revolution” that will be bloodless “if the left allows it to be.”
I wish, but I don’t have faith that enough liberal interests will give a shit. They’ve done little to stand against fascism and have sided with corporate interests every time.
Civil wars aren’t typically fought by politicians. It’s up to regular people.
Regular people who have been pacified by a lifetime of “violence isn’t the answer” and “if you fight back, you’re just as bad.” I hope we find the will to resist, but I worry we’re too far gone.
It’ll take time for good people to lose the “anti-violence” dogma, but it’ll happen; if only because it because it becomes an unavoidable fact of life.
So buy a gun. I did.
It’s like voting; obviously all I can control is my own actions, so I’ll do what I can, but if too many people stay home our chances drop significantly.
Thats only the first step in the process. i wish someone could explain the following steps.
Protect you and yours until you find your John Connor.
All it takes is 3%. We have the people.
3% for what? Where did that number even come from?
get your weapons ready
Thank you tankies for putting your feelings above the national grave threat all to feel morally superior.
I don’t see how tankies are to blame for the overwhelming majority of our country’s most powerful people deciding that they support a fascist coup.
Even if we pretend that 2024 was a free and fair election, the electorates that could’ve swung it weren’t bastions of non-voting authoritarian socialists.
You know that are other countries in the world right? And now the MAJORITY of the countries in the world hate the US?
So… yes my feelings are above your pathetic puppet state and I feel way way morally superior than bombing civilians and blackmail the world into agreeing with me. Yes.
You’re welcome.
You mean the rest of the world that’s looking at the genocide and saying, “That’s tragic. Oh well?”
Get over yourself you ignorant child.
No, only the few key politicians that Israel/US are blackmailing say “Oh, well” while everyone else is against it.
Americans elected repeatedly pro-Israeli candidates, last election was between “we commit genocide in the open” and “we secretly commit genocide, you will sleep well tho”. Brave country.
More like we don’t approve of genocide in bombing and displacing civilians versus we approve of genocide by actively starving them out.
Kinda a big difference. One could at least give push back versus the other who tactidly supports this kind of gross behavior.
More like we don’t approve of genocide in bombing and displacing civilians
Well this wasn’t the her stance Ahahah She did approved it, just with longer, quieter action.
The difference between Rep and Dem in america is the exactly the same as left and right wing Zionism. Just switch jews with christians.
But ok, let’s pretend I agree. Can you give me one example where a Democrat President pushed back the Zionist project? (JFK is not valid) *with concrete results, not just words
- Obama pushing for Palestinian state. Netanyahu was so threatened by non capitualtion that he attended Republican shit and campaigned for his interests in congress.
Oh… he attended an event, what a brave concrete result. So concrete that now we have a Palestinian state right? …Right?
Thats all? Surely these very democratic and highly moral politicians have shown empathy for the Palestinians. You wouldn’t support them if they didn’t have a track record of mercy, kindness and empathy.
Like Obama, in Iraq, was such a nice dude, so chill, nothing like those pesky republicans 🤮Its incredible we did manage to move his soul and prevent a massacre right?
“tankie” truly does just mean “anyone to the left of the Democrats”
Trump still would have won in 2024 even if everyone had turned out to vote
Also, how screwed do your priorities have to be to think you’re living in a country in the middle of a fascist takeover and also that a good use of your or anyone else’s time is to blame people who agree with you, who also could not have prevented this? Crab bucket shit.
by tankie you mean Kamala Harris and the DNC?
Beginning to question the inherent wisdom of “Normal transition of power” when Biden handed the keys of the kingdom to a guy who openly planned to lock all the doors and shoot the next guy elected to walk through them.
But hey, I guess it would have been against the rules not to meekly empower a fascist dictatorship.
I disagree with Biden’s handling of the transition, but it’s definitely internally consistent with his beliefs. He really, really wanted the global rule of law to work.
I would not be surprised if part of the intention here was to maintain legitimacy during the initial transfer, so that when the monsters refuse to do the same, it will lend legitimacy to a global response to assist the people in reclaiming their democracy.
Now, you could also call that ‘passing the buck’ and… Well, yes. He did seem to do too much of that, imo. Or not enough, depending on how you look at it.
I love these comments that always place the blame on Biden, instead of you know, the actual fucking fascists. JFC.
I hope you are being cheeky by saying ‘beginning to’, it was immensely obvious this was the plan going back to, at bare minimum, about a year before the election, when Trump just kept saying he was gonna serve 3 terms, his supporters wouldn’t have to vote again, etc.
biden was happy as long as netanyahu was happy.
No shock there. He told his supporters they’d never have to vote again.
That was a very weird article…
To the point I googled the source and apparently it’s a 90 year old Maxist-Leninist newspaper. Which kind of explains the writing style and lack of sources.
They do have “left” lean, but it always feels off because those people also are super into authoritarianism. So it’s less about presenting enough for someone to understand and form an opinion, and more like telling their readers an opinion along with a few facts that were found after the fact to be used to defend it.
To be clear; Trump’s 1500% going to try and steal the election, but everyone already knows that. There is zero new information on the article and I’m pretty sure everyone that didn’t vote for trump has came to the same conclusion…
Marxist/Leninists writing just always gives me something like the uncanny valley feeling. I don’t care how it’s dressed up, or if the person speaking/writing agrees with my existing opinion, I can’t fucking stand them. I guess it’s “the ick”
Better sources have been covering all of this for months already.
Good news, you’ll never have to feel the ick of an equitable economy or being part of a society that prioritizes the wellbeing of its citizenry over GDP here in the west.
Phew amirite? Enjoy capitalist paradise! Participation is voluntary*
*voluntary participation subject to dying in the gutter of exposure and capital defense force brutality if poor citizen fails to volunteer for capitalist exploitation. The owner class reserves all rights to kill you anyway if you threaten quarterly earnings estimates such as drawing on Healthcare benefits you paid into when you need to use them.
Nah. I’m an actual communist
My policy positions make Vladimir Lenin look like Hillary Clinton.
My problem with Marxist-Leninists, is the authoritarianism, which is the worst part about trump too.
Does it make sense now?
I think authoritarianism is bad, and even if an authoritarian agrees with me on every aspect of policy, I’ll never be on their side.
It’s a difference at a fundamental level.
Quick edit:
As simple as possible, they topped out at what people need to survive, a giant population of people getting just enough to live and work, to support a ruling class of politicians who were essentially oligarchs.
I think everyone should have enough to be comfortable because without that life is still miserable for 99.99% of the population, it’s switching out one ruling class for another.
That’s not a win, it’s not changing the game. It’s shuffling the cards and playing the same game we know isn’t good.
Anything like anarcho-syndicalism?
Not even sure what that is, but anyone wanti g anarchism likely doesn’t know what that means.
Like, if there’s anarcho-luddittes out there who thinks we should completely destroy society and go back to living in the forest in tribes of ~150 people…
I wouldnt agree with them that it’s the best path, but I wouldn’t consider them hypocritical because at least they understand where anarchism would lead and are being honest about it
For everything else with “anarcho” tacked on the front, I feel it’s safe to say I’d disagree with them without looking into what they’re about.
I did go ahead and Google that before hitting reply, just to be safe since I honestly hadn’t heard that term before.
And that’s just putting trade unions in charge, which would end up the same as any other ruling class.
I’m saying there shouldn’t be a ruling class at all.
Claims to be a communist, but has no clue about anarchists. Many of whom are actual communist/Marxist. Sure buddy, you’re a super mega communist.
Anarcho-syndicalism advocates for a society without hierarchical structures, achieved through the power of worker-led trade unions BTW.
Oh yes that old capitalist Chestnut smearing the ludites. Very communist of you. Do you know who the Luddites were? How based they were? Do you understand how badly we actually need luddites right now?
You would really do yourself a service, not by reading dense tomes of theory. But by reading a few freaking basic paragraphs of description on a Wikipedia page.
Thank you for taking up this discussion. I am not able to make long posts at this time. I appreciate you.
Anarcho-syndicalism advocates for a society without hierarchical structures
No, it replaces what’s currently at the top with a trade union…
Something where people vote for their leaders. It would be the same as we have now almost immediately.
Are you even in a union? Do you have any idea how they work or how often corrupt assholes get leadership positions for the sole purpose of personally enriching themselves?
Like, I know I just said that I’m aware I underestimate others but…
C’mon man, you legitimately don’t understand how that would result in a system identical to any other party based political system?
You don’t understand how fast they’d throw their origins out the window?
No, it replaces what’s currently at the top with a trade union.
Something where people vote for their leaders. It would be the same as we have now almost immediately.
Even if it did it would literally be better than what we have now. But no that’s incorrect. It’s literally about doing away with what is considered the top. And replacing it with local answerable flat representation. Using the power of labor and the Unions to achieve that for Syndicalists. Or by other means for the other subset of anarchists, direct action etc.
Are you even in a union?
SEIU, mother was with the teamsters and my father with the pipelines.
Do you have any idea how they work or how often corrupt assholes get leadership positions for the sole purpose of personally enriching themselves?
Yes, and? So are you advocating to abolish unions just like the capitalists? Not even the nutty Leninist do that. They just rig things to get their puppets in place. Corruption can happen anywhere, with anyone. Corruption isn’t an inherent feature of unions.
Like, I know I just said that I’m aware I underestimate others but…
C’mon man, you legitimately don’t understand how that would result in a system identical to any other party based political system?
You don’t understand how fast they’d throw their origins out the window?
You don’t underestimate others. You far overestimate yourself. The whole point of anarchism. From the most extreme to the most milquetoast. Is literally doing away with those unanswerable hierarchy protected leaders. Flat, local, minimal governance of the consenting. Nothing more, nothing less.
It’s got nothing to do with your other straw man of destroying society. Nothing at all. It’s about not having a fascistic national federal government forcing their whims down your throat through a monopoly on violence. It’s about some shit head governor who’s never been to your town and doesn’t give a shit about your town not being able to do the same to your town. It’s about those who actually use the means of production having a say on them. It’s about you and your neighbors deciding the rules you live by. And not someone that you have no say in at the state or federal level.
If you actually were a communist, you’d understand this. Especially if you were anti-authoritarian. Most anti-authoritarian communist realistically are going to tend to align anarcho communist. The sad thing is though. I think you are actually capable of understanding this. But contrary to the username you’ve chosen you actually just don’t give a shit.
My problem with Marxist-Leninists, is the authoritarianism
So you’re an “actual communist” who never bothered to actually read anything Marx or Engels wrote.
Can you link the better sources? After a skim for sources I found 7, is that not enough for you for a short article?
The two big things it references:
Save act:
The SAVE Act would require that individuals registering to vote show “documentary proof of United States citizenship,” including when they re-register after moving to a new state.
https://www.factcheck.org/2025/02/will-save-act-prevent-married-women-from-registering-to-vote/
And an EO from 3/25 (that they didn’t provide the name of:
President Donald Trump on Tuesday signed a sweeping executive action to overhaul U.S. elections, including requiring documentary proof of citizenship to register to vote in federal elections and demanding that all ballots be received by Election Day
https://apnews.com/live/donald-trump-news-updates-3-25-2025
They both do the same thing, and happened months ago…
But to be fair, I often overestimate how much a random person remembers. They’re not wrong with their opinion on what all this means.
It’s just the way they present it often feels too much like trump for the average person to listen.
Because of all the reasons I said in the last comment.
That’s why I’ve started calling the country the Fascist States of America.
Fuuuuck the empire. I’m not going to war for any of these twats.
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