https://infosec.pub/comment/17208208
It feels weird defending Spotify as I have always disliked them and preferred YTM
Ukrainians are actually reporting the drones to be vastly overpriced compared to similar Ukrainian drones.
Otherwise there is quite a few indications of corruption and it wouldn’t be surprising if Helsing will become the next Wirecard, as Germany once again follows the fever dream of some billions-worth start-up without following up on what it actually can and cannot do.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t they expensive simply because of startup model and having to pay off R&D? Meaning they should normalize over time.
Why should Ukranians pay for that though?
Although i strongly doubt, that they would have R&D justifying 4x the price of Ukrainian competitors, when people in the field say that the capabilities are similar.
i just YTM as well. mostly because it’s the less shitty option out there. sucks that there are no good options.
hope this comment summons people with actually good suggestions for my to check.
Deezer and Qobuz
CEO of Deezer is a Russian agent
Except deezer is run by Russian Oligarchs. So qobuz.
I will never use YouTube music. Specifically because back when it was Google play music, they allowed you to upload your own library… Then arbitrarily decided to delete everything after a couple years.
For real! After shutting down GPM, YTM felt like an absolute insult. Everything about it was just worse.
there are no good options
Tidal is great. A little more expensive, but it’s owned by artists, and puts the most back in the pockets of artists. The audio quality is also fan-fucking-tastic.
Spotdl is a command line program that is easy to use, you just need to feed it the playlist link and it will download all the songs off YouTube.
You can then self host with azuracast or airsonic. Azuracast is what I use but it makes it into a radio station more or less, sonic I think is more of a spotify clone. There are a few other options.
The subscription fee can then be used to support your favorite small time artists through other means, without the middle man.
Seriously, just torrent your music, downloading songs off YouTube sounds like an awful idea, automated or not.
Yt downloads are just copy and paste a link, and the quality doesn’t really matter for anything I own, no audiofile gear.
From my understanding, it’s a bit of a bother downloading less popular music through torrents. You need a private tracker I think. For big names though, definitely the way to go.
Give soulseek a try, finding less known artists is a bit of a pain but i have had good luck finding everything i had looked for with a bit of digging.
Soulseek is still a thing? Rad. I’ll have to keep that in mind.
P2P will never die!!! (Hopefully)
That’s fair!
Convinced the wife to drop Spotify for Tidal with this shit.
Fucking hell, find out here it’s owned by Dorsey. Just doing the trial for now, so may give quboz or however it’s spelled too.
Qobuz is great, been using it a few months now. Probably isn’t quite as advanced in terms of recommendations etc. as Spotify so have to do a bit more of the leg work deciding what new stuff I want to check out but that’s been a positive for me and how I engage with new music.
Yeah, in doing some research on Qobuz, their recommendation engine is way behind Tidal/Spotify. I’m really enjoying Tidal so far, which is a shame. I’ve heard of some people using Qobuz alongside Roon to use their recommendation engine, but I’m not sure the wife would like to add another layer to just pressing play.
Are there any alternatives that aren’t associated with a tech giant?
Yes…self host on a nas ;)
Are there self hostable alternatives to their discovery algorithm?
Their discovery algorithm will soon degenerate into mostly showing you cheap AI music. I think we better go back to looking for new music ourselves, talk to people, search online, look up people talking about the music you already know and like to find clues about other related music they mention beside it.
And if you want to do all this with a UX somewhat reminiscent of Spotify, try Hype Machine (hypem.com)
Cool site, didnt know about it
And listen to the radio. Find shows that play music that you like, created by people who love and know music.
Agreed, looks like I have my solution!
Have to sail the high seas, and send money directly to people like Butch Vig.
I’ve been using tidal for a couple years and enjoy it
Tidal is owned by Block Inc which is owned by Jack Dorsey
Serious question. Is Dorsey more ethical than the Spotify CEO? Is he still paying artists more for their music?
damnit!
Try Deezer. It’s owned by a publication traded French company. I’ve been enjoying them for the past year.
Founder of that company is a Russian oligarch under sanctions by Ukraine. Man also was part of a big business group chat focused on “changing the narritive” about the atrocities committed by Israel in Gaza.
Theres a link posted in this thread about deezer and how its own by a russian oligarch and donates to the Right in the US at least
It’s owned by a Russian oligarch bastard
What is an ‘ai weapon’?
Stuff like auto targeting drones
I’m not subscribed anymore, but as someone who uses the desktop client mainly it’s hard to find a good alternative (good UI, snappy)
Deezer and Qobuz are meh. I won’t use Apple or Amazon. edit: or Google.
Maybe Tidal? Are there other ones?I just found a third party player for Qobuz though. Not enough features but cute:
I downloaded Spotify once and deleted it within a few days. F-them.
When I requested the data they have of me thanks to GDPR, I learnt they shared my information to other apps and websites. I deleted the app as soon as I got the info.
Would love to see a bandcamp revisit. Not as popular as Spotify but at least sales go to artists now. edit: wasn’t aware about the union busting. kinda sucks there are no good alternatives.
Back To the 70s mail order physical media
You and TotalCourage007 could always try the other option available… 🏴☠️
Man its been so long since I pirated I don’t even know where to start these days
If you’re looking for music, https://nicotine-plus.org/
Why is nobody mentioning funkwhale in this thread?
You should have left when Rogan was let onto the platform.
After that you should have left when fake music was discovered. Seriously, they have lots of fake music.
Hmm, I would say quit if the defense company will be US but its German. Do not be naive, we need european defense. See what is doing ruSSia. We cannot defense it with stars and rainbows.
German the country who always side with genocides and apartheids
I highly recommend that read. Seems like Helsing’s shooting star success is tied to having good contacts with the German defense ministry and Ursula von der Leyen, which both are indicators of corruption.
Ukrainian soldiers report the drones to be vastly overpriced for what they are and drones costing less than a quarter of the Helsing drones to have similar capabilities.
This sounds like another Wirecard scandal in the making, where the desperation of Germany to create some billion Euro startup is exploited by corrupt politicans and company owners. Given the context it also wouldn’t be surprising if intelligence is involved.
Ukrainians seem to be better of with domestically produced drones.
I could never get on board with spending money to stream music. There are a TON of radio stations, free streaming services, small independent artist collectives, and more hours of live free music than I could probably listen to in a lifetime.
I am the weirdo though, I get it. I VASTLY prefer live music over studio work.
I’ve never cared much for listening to live music, even if I play myself. Well, at least not for those big ass concerts you pay €200 for. I once heard a guy playing in a church near me and it was intimate and amazing; that’s how music should be… anyway, sidetracked, my point is that I love streaming so much and I listen to music when I cook, when I focus at work, when I need to get pumped, when I need to relate. The idea of streaming is amazing - although having everything in one place all at once does remove some of the magic. I don’t really have a point other than that I hope for more ethical streaming services…
For work I am right there with you. I have been streaming SomaFM for as long as its been around. Several of the channels on there are perfect for working: beat moves forward, no lyrics, great flow.
I do have my own server and about 8 TB of music, 90 percent of which is free and non commercial anyways, lol.
Some people just use music as a tool. I think you are more likely to say you see it as human expression. Live music is far better when you want to feel something in my opinion.
Kind reminder that no streaming platform is very good on the ethical front. There are no ethical alternatives because the root of the problem is the legal strangle hold labels and record companies keep on artists and commercial music distribution.
I can stream from Jellyfin
I have found a bunch of my new favorite songs this year on Jellyfin. Some of them are pretty old too, lol.
It worked pretty well doing it the old human-based way, where I got a bunch of albums because I liked the band or even just a particular song. Listening through those or just playing the whole pile on shuffle led me to find plenty of gems that I stuck in my playlist.
Yes!
+1 here
Tidal puts artists first, and pretty awesome.
Can’t promise that’s how they are forever, but that’s how they are today.
Zionist supporters :/
The ethical alternative is listening to mp3s straight from your own hard-drive, just like we did in the '50s.
Fuck yeah, down with streaming I wanna own my shit again
then do that. If you don’t have enough space, get an external hard drive. If you want convenience, you can attach the hard drive to a raspberry pi and access the music from anywhere. You’ll probably never get as convenient as spotify, but hey, you gotta decide what your values are and if that means being a streaming-vegan then that’s the sacrifice you gotta make.
I feel like there is a step missing here. Do you mean physically take the raspberry pi and HD with you (I mean, you could but it’s not terribly elegant) or are you talking about just setting it up to stream the music.
If your referring to streaming, is there a program you can recommend to easily stream it outside of you home network? I.e. access anywhere.
Leave it at your home network.
The simplest solution IMO is to access it via an SSH or SFTP connection. I have these connections bookmarked in my file browser, so I can open them up just like any folder on my hard drive.
Some people use jellyfin as a client which has a kind of netflix-like interface. I haven’t researched to find out if there’s anything with a more spotify-like interface.
I’ve used jellyfin for years but never tried to remotely access it. From what I’ve read you pretty much have to use something like Tailscale. It’s something I will probably give a shot at some point.
I have never used SSH or SFTP. I will have to look into that. I automatically assumed that to access my files remotely I would need to pay for a static IP address. I’m assuming this is not the case? I’ll have to read up on it.
Thanks for the info. Time for me to dust off the raspberry pi 4 and play around with it a bit.
Instead of paying for a static IP address, you can pay for a domain name and have a script on your home network update the domain name to point to your current IP address once a day. It’s a pretty common practice.
Whatever happened to magnatune? Are they still around?
Not actively, they stopped trying to make money long ago. Since 2018 you can’t buy anything from them and artists are leaving.
I left Spotify when they tried to force tiktok ui update out of nowhere and I wasn’t even paying for it
Is this Russian propaganda
They didn’t leave already when they gave millions to bag of human shit Joe Rogan?
That’s sure as fuck when I left!
Same
bag of human shit Joe Rogan
This is libelous. He’s a bag of cockroach shit.
