• AlexLost@lemmy.world
    4·
    4 hours ago

    That’s what they wanted you to believe. They’ve been selling us “culture” for decades. It’s all a form of propaganda.

    • Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
      2·
      1 hour ago

      Big money bank dude goes to fashion show. Buys favorite designer. Calls friend up who owns studio. Calls agent buddy who owns influences. Money exchanges hands at Epstien Island regular island. Studio influencers push designers line. Kids brainwashed by media to think designer clothes are what adult women wear and start cat fighting over outfits. Middling adults see kids trendy new style and start to steal it. Sales go up. Trend gets old. Rinse and repeat every year.

  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
    301·
    1 day ago

    Every time I go to my kid’s school, I am amazed at the difference between my day and now.

    That time I went, there were kids just in pajamas and slippers. Not just one or two, dozens, and it wasn’t some special day.

    Then there’s the dressier kids in lounge pants and whatever giant tshirt they pulled out of a drawer (or laundry basket) that were obviously their version of pajamas. Shit, one girl had very obviously rolled out of bed, thrown some leggings under her nightgown, slipped into crocs and jumped on the bus.

    It’s pretty cool tbh. Just no fucks given for meaningless frippery unless the individual kid/family wants it. Most of the kids were relaxed, nobody giving them shit for the way they’re dressed, staff not even noticing at all. That’s the way it should be imo. Whatever gets the kids in their seats and keeps everyone relatively engaged.

    Yeah, there were still plenty of jeans and t-shirt sorts, a few of the button up shirt variants, and a handful of clothes hounds. But nobody was giving anyone shit about the clothes. From what my kid says, that wasn’t just the case for the hour or so i was there that day.

    We insist on clothes that are weather appropriate and acceptable for an emergency, but beyond that after seeing the norms there, we stopped giving a fuck.

    • Denvil@lemmy.ml
      2·
      53 minutes ago

      My highschool experience (I’m 19, so not that long ago), was pretty much exclusively t-shirts and jeans. In fact I never wear anything BUT jeans. I uh… I even wear them to bed which has me labelled as a psychopath by the majority

      • tomenzgg@midwest.socialEnglish
        1·
        19 minutes ago

        I mean, you definitely are but, considering the sheer efficiency you can achieve, nothing but respect from over here.

  • PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca
    15·
    1 day ago

    Meangirls feels kinda accurate?
    I remember the popular girls often dressed the way Lindsay Lohan did in that movie.

    Then again, I graduated shortly before that movie came out, so it’s been a while and my memory may have failed me

  • Simulation6@sopuli.xyz
    58·
    2 days ago

    We had some British software developers visit our group once and the contrast was stark. They wore suits and business dresses and we wore jeans and t-shirts. I mentioned the difference and one said they were expected to look professional. One of my gang said we were expected to write good code.

    • Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
      1·
      1 hour ago

      I don’t know if it’s autism or what but you can’t make think that a dress shirt and regular shirt are not just fabrics and neither are more or less proper and that it’s as real as the tooth fairy.

    • Zoko Argen@feddit.ukEnglish
      8·
      15 hours ago

      That might have just been because they were visiting, In my experience with software devs over here (three of my friends in the roles, and me having applied for some) it is more so jeans and t-shirt, at a push business casual, never suits though unless it’s a posh function

  • jaschen306@sh.itjust.works
    171·
    2 days ago

    Went to HS in the late 90s. I didn’t “dress up” but I didn’t want to look grundge or a homeless person. My classmates used to call me Metro or a yuppie.

    Every girl wore sweats, and every guy dressed like a hobo in the 90s.

  • Fleur_@aussie.zone
    615·
    2 days ago

    I feel like Americans would freak out in the most incredible way if they had hs uniforms

    • Harvey656@lemmy.world
      5·
      1 day ago

      I’m currently living in Texas near thr Dallas area and almost all schools here have uniforms and clear plastic backpacks. It’s odd to see for someone who never dealt with such things but its the norm here.

    • LilB0kChoy@midwest.social
      52·
      1 day ago

      I feel like anyone would freak out in the most incredible way if they had their freedom of choice and autonomy suddenly stripped away.

      Uniforms aren’t part of the culture in US public education. There’s also conflicting studies on whether uniforms even make a difference so it’s not like there’s a clear argument for them.

      Also, while uniforms aren’t standard in public schools there is typically a dress code students are expected to follow.

          • Fleur_@aussie.zone
            45·
            9 hours ago

            Wearing a uniform = having your freedom of choice and autonomy taken away.

            You’re delusional bruh

            • Genius@lemmy.zip
              4·
              8 hours ago

              So you’re saying kids who go to a school with uniforms have the freedom to choose their clothes?

              • Fleur_@aussie.zone
                25·
                7 hours ago

                See how far your delusions of thinking you can wear whatever you want get you by catching a train naked. We all have uniforms. Freedom to choose your clothes is a fucking stupid take on uniform policy. Why don’t you use your freedom of movement and touch some grass.

            • LilB0kChoy@midwest.social
              2·
              6 hours ago

              Uniforms aren’t part of the culture in US public education.

              Also, while uniforms aren’t standard in public schools there is typically a dress code students are expected to follow.

              Please don’t engage in a straw man argument. I specifically said “if they had their freedom of choice and autonomy suddenly stripped away”.

              Uniforms aren’t part of the culture for the majority of students in the US. If that switched overnight then yes, they would reasonably “freak out”.

              Your generalized statement is “delusional”. There are plenty of private schools in the US that require uniforms, numerous jobs that require a specific uniform, and pretty much all businesses have a dress code.

              So yes, going from a standard where no uniform is required in a school to having to wear one, especially if it was mandated without warning or input from those it affects would constitute “having your freedom of choice and autonomy taken away”.

              Freedom of choice is the ability to make decisions and take actions based on one’s own preferences and desires, without undue external constraints or coercion.

              Freedom of autonomy refers to the capacity of an individual to make their own choices and be self-governing, free from external constraints or coercion.

      • burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
        4·
        2 days ago

        I think 3 of the dozen or so public schools around where I grew up had uniforms (lucky me, I went to one of them, ugh), while every private school (90% of which were some flavor of christian) had them. Most were more along the lines of ‘dress code’ than uniform though. I’m remembering khaki pants and bland colored polos more so than the blazer/tie/coat thing. It’s probably because it’s hot as balls on leather in the sun around here, so anything more than that would be killing kids or the AC budget.

    • rarWars@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      5·
      1 day ago

      I’m American, I had a uniform, and idk, I kinda liked it. Didn’t have to think about what to wear in the morning.

  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
    151·
    2 days ago

    I used to think that media isn’t influencing my real life worldviews in a significant way. But now that I am older, I realised that media sold us impossible notions that so long as you live within your means, you could have a pretty good lifestyle as a young adult, while also eventually able to save money to buy your own house and raise a family. I kinda got that from Friends. Although now, that ship has sailed. These shows and movies were operating on the zeitgeist at the time during the economic boom in 1990s and 2000s (well the media is scripted as well, so of course there is bending reality). After the late 00’s economic crash, as a millennial, we are forced to give up one desire and dreams over the other. We couldn’t have it all unlike the older generations.

    I feel worse for the younger generations following us. They are going to inherit a world that is literally cooking everyone, in spite the inspiration from Greta Thunberg to global protest against the inaction on climate change when they were kids. How could they feel more optimistic about the future like the boomers and Gen X? No wonder populist far right is gaining traction; the global liberal order failed all of us except for the few elites.

    I didn’t mean to go on a long serious musing over a post about high school clothings lol. It was a spur of the moment.

  • Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.orgEnglish
    19·
    2 days ago

    Would the bottom right image be considered overdressed for you? Because that would have been a common sight at my school, at least the type of clothes. Not just the rich kids either. Could be a cultural thing but like this is Southern Germany I’m talking about, not Paris or Milan 😅

    • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
      91·
      2 days ago

      American here.

      Every single one of those girls would have been sent home for “inappropriate clothing” at my school.

        • skulblaka@sh.itjust.works
          6·
          2 days ago

          Yeah, after a few times of that your parents get a visit from the truancy department and get threatened with prison time.

          For some reason it’s perfectly legal to home school your kids (and teach them nothing during that time) , but if you register them to a public school and they don’t attend, straight to jail.

    • Fondots@lemmy.world
      9·
      2 days ago

      In my experience in American high school (20 or so years ago now) I wouldn’t say they’re ridiculously overdressed, but certainly kind of an outlier, we might’ve had a couple girls dress like that on any given day. They’d also probably be violating or at least very close to the limits of my school’s dress code with the skirt lengths.

      The left one looks about right to me though. Maybe slightly more dressed up than average, but would blend into most crowds well enough. Except for the heels, I wasn’t exactly looking at people’s shoes but I don’t remember anyone ever wearing heels to school unless there was some sort of special event.

      In general, I’d say the average high schooler back then wore a t shirt or maybe a sports jersey, and if it was cold maybe some of them wore a flannel shirt sweater of some kind (mostly the girls for sweaters)

      A hoodie if it was cold

      Jeans, sweatpants, sometimes pajama pants, shorts when it was hot out, cargo pants (mostly the guys) and once in a while some of the girls would mix in a skirt or dress, but not often.

      You’d also get a handful of preppier kids with khakis and polo shirts or a button-up, a few goths or artsy types, etc. who might wear something crazy, the one weirdo who wore a suit, etc.

      But mostly it was jeans or sweatpants and a t shirt.

      I was more of a cargo pants and t shirt guy myself.

      I don’t pay too much attention to what my local teenagers are doing these days, but from what I’ve seen of them it looks like they’ve slipped further towards the sweatpants and pajamas end of the spectrum.

      • Novaling@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        1 day ago

        American who has been out of HS for a year now. I feel like unless you’re a girl who seriously cares about her image/aesthetic and/or had a special event that day, most girls didn’t dress like that at my HS. Not saying never at all, just not very often.

        Also would’ve probably got dress coded in those anyway, especially the “spaghetti straps” dresses (distinctly remember a faculty member telling a student body kid that their dress straps were too small and to cover up before a ceremony 🙄), the skirts are toeing the line.

        Lots of us were in pajamas, sweatpants, Crocs & slides, hoodies, shorts, and some brought little plushies or small blankets. I mean seriously my old HS and current college have hordes of people who look ready to drop the moment they hit a chair.

        I’m pretty average, I didn’t wanna look too lazy so I never wore pajamas unless it was a spirit day. But I was usually in sweatpants on the nice days, and jeans in the cold seasons (although some freaks still wore shorts and Crocs in 40 degree weather). Hoodies all the time, unless it was literally boiling hot. Did my best to not wear shorts sometimes because of body hair fear, but stopped giving a fuck by college.

        Some people definitely dressed up, but only those who were doing an aesthetic/style of some sort (neon, goth, punk, clean girl, etc). The rest of us were lazy bums lol.

      • Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.orgEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        Okay yeah that sounds more nuanced.

        In my school heels were commonplace, we used more layers in winter because we used to get heavy snow almost every year and I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone here in their pajamas in public but other than that it was probably not too different.

    • SmoothLiquidation@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      2 days ago

      I live in Seattle and those girls look like they are about to go to a club and not school to me. Granted in my area if I, as a man, wear a shirt with buttons on it to the office I feel like I am dressing up.

    • troglodyke@lemmy.federate.ccEnglish
      51·
      2 days ago

      From what I’ve heard from Americans, the standard of dress for basic tasks like going to the shop is apparently high compared to the same in America

      • idiomaddict@lemmy.world
        01·
        2 days ago

        Yep, I’m an American who moved to Germany and I wish it was accepted to wear sweatpants and my husband’s t shirt to the grocery store. I still do sometimes, but I don’t enjoy being stared at angrily by old ladies in public, so most of the time I’ll at least pull jeans on. I’m never getting rid of my Asidutt though.

        Luckily, linen shorts are as comfortable as sweatpants in warm weather and don’t look as schlubby.

        • burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de
          1·
          2 days ago

          I’m jealous that you can put your hair up like that. Mine would tie itself in about 20 interesting knots and stay that way :D

  • grrgyle@slrpnk.net
    41·
    2 days ago

    There was always that one kid, though. The hype beast on a budget that could turn 20 lewks on no money.