Not to be a capitalist pig but even under capitalism in the USA that is just fraud.
Most people have no ability or funds for recourse and justice. It’s just going to be a SOL moment.
76 comments as of now. This will be good
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What if I could earn a passive income by scamming scammers? It would be morally correct?
Yes but they have the funds and connections to absolutely nail you to a cross.
If they can get enough of them before getting caught it could balance itself out though
Ah, so become the company that sells these background checks?
Yes.
yeah, that’s not passive income
Why would anyone want Mao to wake up? The fuck kind of genocide denialism is this?
sorry mao genocided american and european opium moguls.
I think the joke is built on what Mao did to landlords.
Mao is very popular in the PRC, and among Marxists. The modern CPC recognizes his contributions as around 70% good, 30% bad. The Cultural Revolution in particular is a touchy subject largely seen as a misstep, but certainly not a “genocide” either. Same with famine, which was previously common in China but was only ended by the communists in power.
Mao’s popularity stems from establishing socialism in China, successfully kicking out the Japanese imperialists and then winning the civil war against the nationalist Kuomintang, and building up a robust system of socialism in early China, accomplishing metrics like a doubling in life expectancy, large (but unstable, as Deng would later stabilize with socialist market reforms) economic growth, banning footbinding, and more.
Inventing genocides to discredit Mao must be a new one. Liberals are too stupid to level any valid criticism against him huh?
This comment can’t possibly be real
What it can’t be possibly real is westerners trying to demonize Mao while it is inmensively loved in its own country, where supposedly committed crimes against its own people!
The dumbass lib comment is what can’t be real. Too stupid to level valid criticisms like the great leap or subjective excesses in revolutionary violence and instead just making up a genocide to criticise someone? Pure ignorance.
Have you ever lived under a communist regime? I have, it sucked, it doesn’t mean I automatically become a capitalist right wing supporter, just cause I reject communism. Has communism ever worked without devolving into oligarchy? Ever? Im more of an anarchist, I believe communism doesn’t work because it relies on the hope that the people running the government will give the little people and equal share as them, and humans just aren’t that good. We suck. The communism I experienced came with a lot of oppression and poverty, maybe you mean socialism? Cause that’s different
Just because I think communism doesn’t work, doesn’t mean that I immediately agree with capitalism. I miss the days when a leftists could argue and debate with another leftists without being accused of being right wing or called names, just because our views may differ slightly. Be better
Nothing you just said has anything to do with the argument.
The fact is that you argued like a liberal using liberal talking points. There’s plenty of things you can criticise any former socialist leader for. But using fake facts and rhetoric from the CIA, the black book of communism, various right wingers, etc. only enables their historic revisionism.
There’s a stark rhetoric difference between saying the great leap was mishandled terribly and not sound from an ideological base and calling it an intentional genocide if that’s what you were refering to with the genocide crap.
White American kids telling my indigenous ass how the world should work is exactly what’s been going on for decades, but it’s wild the level Of racism and colonial “papa knows best” attitude I’ve seen from the American left this past year
Are you on a completely different topic or what is going on with you?
Relying on your own personal anecdotes to prove a point is not helpful, same with asserting that someone has had to live in a socialist country to understand socialism. The truth is that socialism isn’t oligarchy. All socialist countries have had governments, yes, but these are democratically elected. Further, socialism doesn’t require “equal” distribution of resources, Marx railed against the “equalitarians” that argued as such.
Moreover, you seem to be confused on Marxism. Communism is a global system, countries like Cuba, the PRC, or the former USSR are examples of socialism. Socialism is a transitional status towards communism, it’s the process of sublimating property until production is fully collectivized and thus society becomes classless, and this can only be complete globally.
As an example, wealth inequality in the USSR was around a difference of five times from the top and the bottom, while in Tsarist and capitalist Russia that number was hundreds to thousands od times higher.
Overall, people are being accused of being a liberal because their understanding of socialism and communism are severely lacking, and myopic.
I would say my experience is not an anecdote since it was shared by thousands but don’t let my people’s experience dissuade you from the ideas in your head that you developed while living in a shithole like the U.S
The vast majority of peiple who lived in the USSR regret the fall of socialism. I can find a thousand people who think the US Empire is the most morally just country in history that truly provides for its people, but genuinely studying history, statistics, and the mechanisms of political economy domestically and globally point to that being a fantasy.
I’m sorry, but I really don’t have any reason to take a random internet stranger’s anecdote any more seriously than the large amount of reading I’ve done on Marxism, anarchism, history, and political economy in general.
The fact that people with different views to you shocks you suggests you should get out of your ideological bubble more often
Sadly it likely is…
Sir, this is lemmy.ml. They think every bad thing you’ve heard about china is a CIA psyop
not every bad thing but quite a lot of it, yes.
Which is why we are ready for war with them at a moments notice.
Meanwhile .world thinks that literally everything the US says about China is undeniable truth
.world is full of children.
I wish they were just children.
Well here’s hoping they grow up before they die, people live long as fuck nowadays.
Not everything bad about China is CIA propaganda. They have a long way to go, economically and socially. At the same time, there’s factually a large anti-PRC budget for US propaganda, largely stemming from the large amount of friction faced when dealing with a socialist country in the world capitalist market. It’s accelerated because the PRC is currently surpassing the US in many key metrics, and is charted to do so in other areas in the coming years.
Uyghur concentration camps
White genocide
Yeah, when I said “every” I didn’t mean that literally. But at least 3-4 of the bigger ones. Which is a lot. Especially since I’ve talked to actual Chinese people that live in China that are less delusional. But you do you.
I’ve also talked to actual Chinese people that live in China, too. The Marxists are more correct about China than the liberals, by quite a laughably large margin.
Yeah, but that’s because the liberals that you’re talking about are only liberals in name only and they think that China is some autocratic hellscape. It’s easy to be closer to the truth than those people. Also you’re both wrong. As is almost always the case, the truth is somewhere in the middle. But we’re on .ml, so ofc people will disagree with me on that
Not everything bad about China is CIA propaganda. They have a long way to go, economically and socially. At the same time, there’s factually a large anti-PRC budget for US propaganda, largely stemming from the large amount of friction faced when dealing with a socialist country in the world capitalist market. It’s accelerated because the PRC is currently surpassing the US in many key metrics, and is charted to do so in other areas in the coming years.
Which part of this do you disagree with? You’re being a contrarion at this point, I outright stated that not everything bad about China is a lie, just that a huge portion of it is. You just stated that “the truth is in the middle,” but what I stated above already acknowledges that while good overall, China has a long way to go socially and economically. In fact, the fact that they largely succeed in their planning and are continuously improving both shows how far they have come and how far they have to go.
People are disagreeing with you moreso because you’re just picking fights and playing the contrarion.
I’m not picking “fights”, lol. I haven’t replied to a .ml thread in months. And I’m not getting into that because I have before and almost none of you have budged an inch.
Not on Tiananmen Square(yeah, it didn’t happen in the actual square, doesn’t mean nothing happened),
not on the Uyghur situation(just because they’re not getting genocided like the gazans doesn’t mean “education camps” is a socially acceptable thing to put someone through),
not on the fact that the metrics that you’re using to compare don’t paint the full picture(such as the whole green energy thing when in reality they’re still one of the highest CO2 emitting countries per capita)
nor on fact that you keep pretending that state capitalism = socialism, which is not. Just because a place is better than the USA doesn’t mean that it’s a good place.
Socially, yeah… Even worse xD I agree, they have tons of work ahead of them. And on certain issues (such as LGBTQ), they’re not really progressing.
Okay, so I felt I needed to reply to that for some reason. But like I said, I’ve talked about these things before, with you included, and you’ve never budged, so I’m not getting back into it. So unless you need to reply for someone else, don’t bother replying to me cause I’m not gonna respond anymore.
Give same situation and environment to a landlord see how their reign goes.
Virtue signaling is a very interesting primate trait. From lying about where you were last night to wearing clothing in the first place, manipulating your status is uniquely human. If dolphins or octopuses made a civilization, this would be unlikely to emerge.
Ever seen Orcas wearing salmon hats?
Hierarchical systems are perfectly normal in social systems. Not in the rigid way your manosphere nutters use it, but it’s still a thing!
Oo, good point. Hierarchy is everywhere in nature, obviously. I was referencing manipulating status.
Well, there’s a philosophical point that’s worthy of exploring.
Is human activity, including manipulation, a result of nature or in conflict with it?
Americans be like “we’re the free-est nation in the world!” then do shit like pay application fees
They’re free to choose to pay or not to pay. You don’t have rental application fees so you don’t have a choice. Your freedom is curtasiled!
And someone has the audacity to tell me these are people.
Click that federation button to see about a dozen people (so far) failing to recognize the most obvious ragebait bit imaginable. Probably the OP as well lmao
Lmaooo Dudes, US people have no business making fun of communist if they do things like this. What do you mean you pay for an application for rent a space to living for???
We also sometimes have to pay “pet rent”, and no this does not cover pet damages.
You mean “pet tax”
No fucking way this has to be a joke
Americans are fine with it. Extremely comfortable.
If they weren’t, they would do something about it.
Vote blue no matter yahu
You also have to prove you make 2x rent, sometimes 3x rent in order to actually qualify for an apartment (alot of us create fake paystubs for this) :)
We also will have a deposit that is usually 2-3x rent that we are supposed to get back when we move out. However every time this happens the landlords conveniently find damage to the property that didn’t exist the day you moved out so you don’t ever get that money back (or if you do, you only get 25-50% of it). :)
At the place I just moved out of, there was a roach infestation that the landlords refused to hire a pro to take care of that got entirely out of hand. They are holding my deposit for this. :)
You also aren’t allowed to have anyone stay over longer than 3 days if they aren’t on the lease without prior approval from the landlord. :)
Edit: Sometimes people have to get renters insurance too. :)
3x the rent as a revenue and 3 month deposit is also standard in Switzerland. However, the deposit is put in a special account and the bank releases it when you move out. It is not that easy for the landlord to get a part of it. About the rent not exceeding one third of the revenue, it’s of course not always easy to do, but if you exceeded it, you would risk having other financial problems which wouldn’t be good for you neither.
Yeah my cat is $50/mo….
The real fun is having to pay extra on an application because you have a pet, then getting to pay an additional pet rent monthly. Also it’s sometimes per pet, literally trying to treat them like bonus tenants.
Mine was a $500 fee each for 2 cats, plus $25/ea per month. $3,400 over my stay there, and do you think I got my $400 security deposit back? Lol
Not a joke. I suspect the creation of pet rent contributed to the dilution of the concept of service animals (people insisting that Rex the psychotic chihuahua is an emotional support animal).
These guys are saying $50-100 but I have seen $200 per month on a $1800 per month apartment. It’s no joke.
More apartments in the US have it than not nowadays. It’s anywhere from 50-100 a month.
My cat costs me $30 per month in pet rent. And she still has the gall to lay around and complain like she pays the rent.
My cat cost my insurance company whatever they paid my doctor to write a note to tell my landlord I wouldn’t be paying a pet deposit equal to a months rent (non-refundable) and pet rent.
She seemed annoyed by the whole thing but unsurprised. Apparently part of her job is to write the landlords fuck you notes.
How does your doctor have a say in your rent agreement?
Writing a note saying this little guy is an emotional support little guy and therefore is covered by being an aspect of why you’re alive or something.
Yep. And she’s right. This little shit has actually been very good for me. It helps having a little dependent to care for.
Nope, 100% real. My roommate has a pet and the landlord forced them to pay a $50/month pet fee.
God I love being so free though 🦅
I love being oppressed by socialised healthcare, a livable minimum wage and walkable cities
Sorry that’s an additional $20 service fee for loving something. Them the rules.
Can I pay a subscription instead?
Sounds good. Let’s sign you up for the $30/Month subscription.
And $4k is not that much. She does it to survive
/s ?
Firstly, she does it because she’s a piece of shit.
Secondly, if it was about survival, like you suggest, then why is she calling it a passive income in such a gloating casual fashion?
Passive income, at least to me, means secondary and unnecessary.Thirdly, she’s a piece of shit.
Firstly, she doesn’t do it, because it’s fake.
Fair point. She does want people to think she does it, though, which makes her a piece of shit.
in what world do you live in where $4k is not that much. i make a solid 6 figures and $4.3k is nearly my monthly income after taxes
Yeah stealing from random people to “survive” is not okay.
This isn’t stealing food from a store this is taking money from everyday people’s trying to rent an apartment
Yeah stealing from random people to “survive” is not okay.
Never said it is.
My point was to underline that in the current system some people commit fraud not to get rich or even higher than average, but just to survive.
You have no idea how rich she is
Do I really need to?
Yes
I mean per month, and assuming not taxed, that’s not bad.
This is literally fraud.
You’d be stealing from other working class people like you.
Well yeah obviously I wouldn’t actually recommend it
That’s not bad but let’s face it: this is not good either
I assumed your first comment was sarcasm. $4k/mo sounds incredible
Heey, so I also had similar thoughts when I was living by $300/mo, but it’s really, really not much. Here’s the short breakdown
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rent. Rent is sky-high in places like Berlin, London, Paris, the US, and a lot of other places. You can find a studio apt for like $400/mo in a poor place
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food. Earning $4k/mo means a lot of work and cooking is not an option. If you rent a cheap apartment, chances are you have a poor kitchen. So it adds $400 per person a month
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emergency. If your partner loses a job or a close relative gets something like cancer, you start spending much more. I had both, unfortunately
These are my total regular monthly joint expenses between both my partner and I:
Rent & Utilities: $1200
Entertainment: $150
Student loans: $200
Health/dental: $600
Groceries: $600
Business: $250
Auto: $250
=$3250Soo… what would you do if you need to spend like $8000 tomorrow?
I can’t think of a single situation besides ransom that would require I spend $8,000 but, to answer your question, I would take out a loan.
Regardless, if my partner and I each made $4,000/mo, we’d have over $4,000/mo of discretionary spending, which is insane
Are you trying to rub it in or something? $4000 isn’t much to you, good for you. Others disagree, and there’s no sense arguing what somebody poor would do if they needed to suddenly spend a lot of money. What’s the point of that?
It’s not like the idea hasn’t occurred to us. The fear of such an event is already in our heads all the time. The honest answer most people could give is: I really don’t know.
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The fact that saying $4k net per month on the side is “not good” and “does it to survive” is showing what a failed and depraved country the US is.
There is 60 countries in the world, where the annual GDP per capita is lower than that, and only 20 countries in the world, where the GDP per capita is higher, if we multiply the $4k by 12.
If we assume this to be taxed, then only the tax havens are above that and that is certainly not going to reach most of the people living in these tax havens.
For a long time I had a job that paid exactly $4k a month net. It was heaven as the median salary where I live is 6 times lower. Then I started to think where else I could move. Turns out that this is not enough for most of the countries in Europe
Yeah, that is not true. In most countries in Europe making 4k net puts you in the top 2-10% of income.
For two, without support netwy, and with 2b rent starting at $2000? Highly doubtful
Application fees? For renting? Man America is cooked.
Don’t forget the downpayment and the security deposit and first and last months rent. Oh and if you break the lease you have to pay 4 months rent or the remainder of the rental period, whichever is higher
First and last month can make sense sometimes, so laws can go “the tenant did pay the last month so you can’t suddenly evict them, they still get to live until the month ends because they did paid for it”
Don’t forget that your landlord forces you to pay through a 3rd party company that charges a “convenience” fee of ~3% so your $600 rent is actually $620.
Ask me how I know.
Usually there’s some way around that though? Like mailing checks or something.
I had a landlord that would let you mail checks to get around it. But the leasing docs explicitly stated there was a 6% fee for every day rent was late and rent wasn’t considered received until the check cleared.
So we had to mail the check like 2 weeks in advance in case it didn’t arrive quickly enough and then sometimes he’d deposit it 1-2 after receipt and then it’d be a nail biter if it fully cleared in the 24-72 hours necessary for him not to consider it “late”.
I hate that guy and he’s like 90 now and still not dead despite cancer and two heart attacks.
That’s fucked bro. Certified mail for sure.
As far as the clearing thing that just sounds straight up illegal.
But certified mail also costs money so now you’re back to the same concept as the 3% fee
I mean if your rent is $500USD (which is stupidly low, in the US I don’t think this exists even in the middle of nowhere) then 3% is $15
Certified mail is around $6
Plus you’re not rewarding the landlord/payment processor for their stupid fees.
If your rent is more realistic like $1500 then 3% is $45. No contest.
There might be, but he did not let us know about it if there is.
Only 3%? Lucky
Add $75 for each pet if allowed! My buddy was apartment hunting recently and was given a rental agreement that said he would have a deductible on repairs and would have to cover anything over $250. The landlord was just looking to scam and sue someone for repairs he had to do to keep up to code. America’s cooked indeed.
Here it’s just a months rent for security deposit and you pay as normal in a rolling monthly contract. The deposit needs to be held in an independent thingie too so they can’t keep it unlawfully.
I was gonna say that in my experience the “security deposit” should just be considered money spent. Generally, if my landlords could find any reason to, they’d keep the whole thing. If they couldn’t, they’d make one up.
I had A landlord who was pretty chill, most apartments in the area had monthly or 2-weekly cleaning checks, but we only had one in the several years I lived there. We went above and beyond to show our appreciation for the relative lenience
We came back after the cleaning check, and the kitchen floor was covered in a sticky film. Then we got a cleaning fee charge. Turns out, the landlord hired someone to do the cleaning check, and offered to pay the same person to clean the apartment if we failed. So they inspected a spotless apartment, told the landlord we failed, mopped the floor with undiluted Fabulouso, and called it a day
Our landlord refunded the cleaning fee, but if they hadn’t I doubt there’s anything we could have done.
Oh yeah super common unfortunately
Yeah, that’s straight up fraud btw
It’s not fraud if you tell the applicant what the rental criteria are and what happens to the money if they are turned down.
In ancient times, I was a small time landlord. On a couple of occasions I asked for an application fee. I followed these rules, which I explained to the applicant:
- The application fee was refunded if I turned down the applicant, provided the background check did not disclose a lie on the application.
- The application fee was applied to the security deposit if I granted the rental.
- The application fee was not refunded if the background check found a lie on the application, or if I granted the rental and the applicant changed their mind and declined to rent.
It costs money to do background checks. I wasn’t going to be out of pocket if an applicant was dishonest with me.
I think you’re misunderstanding, the OP here had no intention of renting anything out, they’re just taking application fees
i sue landlords for fraud. passive income.
No I’m pretty sure that’s the guy that loves cocain and wants to fuck his mother
No, you’re thinking of pioneering psychologist Sigmund Freud.
Fraud is when a rope begins to break one stand at a time
No, that’s frayed. Fraud is an amphibian known for hopping.
No, that’s frog. Fraud is the opposite of frozen.
No, you’re thinking of thawed.
Fraud is a type of long robe or gown
I believe you mean thawb. A fraud is a term for a deep geological formation filled with water, in Scandinavia.
That’s a fjord. A fraud is a unit of electrical capacitance.
No, that’s a fraught. Frog is when you’re beset by worry/anxiety.
I’m a frayed you’re wrong. Fraud is the car company that makes the Mustang and F150 truck.
No, you mean Ford. Fraud is the German word for “woman”.
That’s Frau. A fraud is a young deer
No that’s a faun. A fraud is a garment worn by a priest.
Not to be confused with a frontier psychiatrist
That boy needs therapy!
😮
Why would someone with a username referencing Guy Debord be doing this? Is this leftist ragebait?
It’s a bit
“I have passive income” is literally just “I run online scams”.
This is no different from people in places like india doing phone call scams.
Yes that would be the joke.
