The data showed that people who ate as little as one hot dog a day when it comes to processed meats had an 11% greater risk of type 2 diabetes and a 7% increased risk of colorectal cancer than those who didn’t eat any.
Now do the data for Iberian ham. Isn’t there a confounding factor of income? Or health-conciousness at least
CNN seems to be under the misbelief that I want to live longer. 46 is already too long.
Who the fuck is eating “as little as one Hotdog per day”?
WHO IS EATING TUBE STEAK EVERY DAY?!?
So if I eat 1 gram of processed meat, am I gonna die or something?
Eventually, yes
So… if we eat an unrealistic amount of processed meat we will get sick?
Who knew?
Next they’ll tell us that swallowing even 1 mouthful of hydrogen peroxide mouthwash is unsafe.
Doesn’t hydrogen peroxide just degrade into water and oxygen? How is it harmful?
Swallowing it can make you very sick, yet it’s a safe and effective mouthwash if you have gum disease, or any other infection.
Best to just play it safe and rinse with warm salt water.
when it spontaneously degrades, yes, it turns into tame water and healthy oxygen, but when it touches organic matter (your skin, tongue, mouth, etc) the oxygen directly reacts with the carbon atoms to make CO2, effectively “burning” away your tissues very slowly.
Usually, you don’t notice that because you use store-bought 3% peroxide, but chemists regularly use the much more powerful 35% peroxide, which gives you nasty burns
peroxide burn
also, fun fact, some cells produce hydrogen peroxide as a waste product, so nature has evolved the catalase enzyme to break it down, and that’s why you see bubbling when using it on a scar but not on skin, because that enzyme is only inside you and your blood
Looks unpleasant but generally not dangerous.
I think that’s the point he was trying to make.
Yup. That’s basically it. The article creates an unrealistic gradation to compare against its definition of what’s healthy.
Processed meat is completely healthy, eating it every day for prolonged periods of time, not so much.
Hydrogen peroxide mouthwash? Totally safe! As a beverage? Not so much.
as little as one hot dog a day
That is a lot processed meat to be eating if its every single day. Who is buying more than a pack of sausages per person each week? Also hot dog sausages are surely some of the worst sausages for being highly processed. Don’t forget about the strange bread used in hot dogs too. That must have a shitload of stuff added to it or it would be stale and mouldy. Bread shouldn’t still be fresh days later.
Who is buying more than a pack of sausages per person each week?
Poor people
Been there, and hotdogs are far and away not the cheapest protein.
Chicken breast and thighs traded blows back and forth as the cheapest meat per lb in my grocery store when I was scraping by a few years ago. I’m vegan now, but I can just as easily say dry beans as being a viable alternative.
I did this calculation a while ago (didn’t include hot dogs, because 🤮). But whey protein absolutely stomped every other protein source in terms of cost effectiveness. This really isn’t surprising considering it is a dehydrated, shelf stable source of pretty much pure protein, which also (iirc) is a waste product of cheese making. So you are basically buying something they want to give away for free, which has no cost to keep it cool, no need to move product before it spoils, no additional weight of water or bone to transport. They just add some flavoring and sweetener and bam! You’re jacked!
also celery salt, or juice in those bougie organic hot dogs, in places like whole foods is all nitrates too. nitrate/nitrite salts have distinctive taste and smell. many orgnaic brands might have celery salt. your safe if the ingredients isnt mentioning any salts or celery.
when your heating up nitrates, it forms things like nitrosamine which have been implicated in lab studies of causing cancer in model organisms.
smoked and UNCURED meat might still have the same nitrates in them.
So what I’m hearing is we just need to return to tradition and start curing our own meats in our backyard smokehouses?
Curing (removing moisture from food by means of salt) is a distinct process from smoking (adding smoke to food as well as removing moisture via heat). Curing with nitrate and nitrate based salts (sodium nitrate and sodium nitrite) is what’s been implicated in cancer.
Smoking meat is much more complicated from a chemistry perspective. Different types of wood, different temperatures, moisture content, salt content, and cooking durations can all affect the concentrations of carcinogenic compounds in the food. For example, softwoods (such as pine) tend to produce a lot of polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), a known class of carcinogens, but thankfully softwood is undesirable as a smoke wood anyway so is rarely used.
Smoking technique can also dramatically affect the result. Poor smoking technique allows the wood to smoulder at a lower temperature, producing a harsher smoke with more carcinogenic, toxic, and bitter compounds. Expert smoking technique uses a smaller, hotter fire which produces a much cleaner smoke that also results in better flavour.
TL;DR: Cancer is coming for us all.
But I only buy boars head so it obviously safe.
/s, although I did reluctantly buy some teriyaki chicken boars head that sounded amazing.
Would this mean that cultured-cell meat would be unhealthy too?
Can you think of anything more processed than trying to grow meat in a vat? I can’t imagine what chemicals get pumped into that to make it grow.
I have to agree
If I were to guess the biggest problem is modified fats and high temperature processing are the biggest dangers
So no, lab grown meat wouldn’t have that problem provided they don’t use modified fats or steam canning you should be fine.
The thing is whatever trace contaminants are in the substrate will manifest in concentration in the meat
I guess 7 hotdogs a day is a little high…
Does … anything happen on the way to work?
Well, clearly that ain’t true because God wouldn’t have made pork pies taste so nice otherwise.
What is the definition of “processed” here? blended meat? high salt %? specific preservatives? artificial casing?
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Similar research from around a year ago:
"Introduction Ultra-processed foods, as defined using the Nova food classification system, encompass a broad range of ready to eat products, including packaged snacks, carbonated soft drinks, instant noodles, and ready- made meals. 1 These products are characterised as industrial formulations primarily composed of chemically modified substances extracted from foods, along with additives to enhance taste, texture, appearance, and durability, with minimal to no inclusion of whole foods. 2 "
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Fuck academia and fuck publishers
Here’s the full pdf, for free, for everyone
What a vague definition that totally misses the specifics that matter. There’s an overwhelming variety of food additives.
Do you know where they eat some of the most processed food in the world? Japan. Some of the highest life expectancy in the world.
What are they doing differently? Without knowing what exactly the commonalities are, there is no value to this study.
Also what definition of “safe”.
My grandpa eats at least one burger per week and he’s turning 90 next year. So obviously “safe” isn’t a measure of imminent and near term death?
I agree with you, but using a relative that does something unhealthy that got old to prove a point is not really scientific nor right.
We absolutely know that smoking causes cancer is a really unhealthy habit, yet we see people that smoke reach very high age. However the average smoker lives a shorter life.
You’re right, its a suboptimal example.
But I can conclude that its not so dangerous as to lead to imminent death / disability within 30 years. So how “unsafe” is eating processed meat anyway?
The article makes like you’re doomed to develop colon cancer if you mom ever fed you a single bite of hamburger helper as a kid. Obviously, that’s a ridiculous conclusion.
As always, unsafe never means 100% chance to kill. Not wearing s seatbelt while driving is unsafe, but it doesn’t mean that you will not be able to survive to 90 is you’re lucky.
Too bad, eating it anyways. Besides, the government will kill me first.
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I feel like the word Safe is being stretched really far here.
Like at this level, getting out of bed isn’t Safe.
Walking through a park isn’t Safe.And that level of Unsafeness, is functionally meaningless.
I’d like to be sealed in a sous vide bag, that way I can be perpetually protected from anything that tastes good and live forever.
Then you’d have to worry about micro plastics.
not a person in the western world that doesn’t already have a ton of microplastics inside
Hmmm, could we perhaps make a large enough one from a whale stomach?
The whales are also already full of microplastics.
im okay with not living to 100 at this point, life is short, and id like it to be shorter.
“I would never commit suicide, but I would like to die naturally soon.” - Zoltan Kaszas
You don’t want to stick around for the climate collapse, never be able to own anything or retire, and fascist death camps / genocide?
There are some very useful things you can do with this mindset
Mariokart tournament?
#BlueShell
I would never suggest such a horrible thing. CEOs lives matter. Thin green line.
sorry, im canadian. and i talk a lot of shit about the president so its not like i can cross the boarder. but i respect the hustle.
you won’t live longer, it’ll just seem longer.
